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Unread 08-25-2006, 04:51 PM
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When is the Time of the Second Coming?

NOTE: I have edited the date, see below...
23rd August 2006 6pm Tripolis GRC
Chart is radical to my surprise as such questions are not easy.
I asked the question and I am represented by Saturn (which is also my natal planet by coincidence). I consider the second coming as a 10th house question so Venus is the significator, and I consider this as being Jesus.
Moon is in fixed sign and succeedent house so time of the event is in YEARS.
I consider the event to occur when Venus meets Saturn to be when I will be enlightened by Jesus. This will occur in 3 years and 9 months approx.
The second coming I consider when Jesus (Venus) meets the MOON (the people) in 15 degrees, ie in 15 YEARS, in 2021. (2006+15=2021) approx.

Worth noting a few things here.
Consider the Moon representing the people of the world. The Sun being The Father (God). Note the Moon is getting combust, a highly malefic situation is unfolding upon us, and this within Regulus which has qualities of Mars or Jupiter (Fall from Grace?)....
Mercury i consider as being the Holy Spirit. Both Saturn and Moon are in trine with Pluto! So the second coming is malefic for the world and Saturn.
Note also the significator of the 4th house (antichrist, opposite to 10th house) is Mars.
There is a way out of the malefic situation for us all, by a mutual reception between Mercury and Sun, which will bring Mercury on Mars, (The Spirit will catch the antichrist) and could save the world....I am sure the Holy Bible tells us what this entails..

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Unread 09-19-2006, 12:42 AM
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Re: When is the Time of the Second Coming?

Truly fascinating!!!! Every culture on this earth knows ( has prophecies) or is becoming aware that the second coming prophecies are being fulfilled, even if a person isn't especially religious or spiritual, etc, people know something is up!!!! The planet earth , the peoples, all the occurences, wars, and famines, and natural diasters, the weather , all this was told would happen in the last days, and I know people say its always been like this, yes, but not to this degree and we all know that it is escalating and getting more intense, and harder on all mankind, and animals, and the planet earth, air, water, pollution etc going out of control Global warming species dying off, the balance has been thrown off, the last day events!!! God is trying to wake everyone up, we are at the end of this earth's history but the time and the hour no man knows only God knows, HE will come like a thief in the night, probably way sooner than anyone thinks, so when we see all the things that are happening on this earth we know that it is soon!! Really exciting times to be living and very serious too!!! Adonis I think that was very interesting the chart, and your explanation is quite believeable!!! Sincerely Deb
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Re: When is the Time of the Second Coming?

I am not sure exactly how to interpret the chart, but I do understand the teachings on the second coming of Christ and the various interpretations. I also study the Qabbalah and how it links to astrology. This gives me an understanding of the various emanations of God in the Tree of life and which planet is associated with which emanation of God.

The sun is associated with Jesus Christ, in the sphere of Tipareth , the 6th sphere (Beauty). In the Tree of Life the sun sphere is the only sphere linked and connected to all the other spheres on the Tree. The Bible calls Jesus the Sun of Righteousness. The second coming is about the Bridegroom (A symbol of Tipareth) coming for His Bride(Malkuth - The Kingdom - the 10th sphere). The moon is associated with Yesod 9th sphere (The sphere of magic/miracles) and speaks of the Holy Spirit.

Miracles are performed by having an understanding of Yesod. It thus represents the sphere from where miracles come and the angel Gabriel is the archangel in charge here etc. God the Father (YHVH) is associated with the whole Zodiac in Chokmah (the 2nd sphere) and Binah (YHVH Elohim), the Superior mother is associated with Saturn in the 3rd sphere. She represents death in terms of ending of cycles before new cycles begin.

The second coming is about Jesus returning for His Bride, His Kingdom - God dwelling amongst His people.

Venus is associated with the sphere of Netzach 7th sphere(Victory) in the Tree and Mercury with Hod 8th sphere(Splendour/Glory). The order of angels in Netzach are the Elohim (The gods).

This is taken from Occult studies - The Order of the Golden Dawn.

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Thanks for bringing this forward, Lenvdb. I hadn't seen it before. Now there are two threads active on this subject. This one is quite interesting. I see the Moon is void but I think that is appropriate. Although Moon had been approaching Sun, she went void with a trine to Pluto leaving Sun void also until just a short time before casting this chart. Sun went void with a sextile to Gemini Moon (duality) on August 18. It is no longer void since it is within moiety of orb for a sextile to Jupiter. I agree, Sun-Son of God belongs on Tiphareth which is also the heart. What I see in this chart is the Sun-Son had recently been void or: was not, but is yet to come. I see the Moon, Yesod, the womb is void. She and the Sun are sitting in the house of sex. (I'm sure this will be challegened as it has been in another thread, but I stand by that.) They are also in the grave, being the 8th house. The void is a time for the unexpected to happen, a time when the universe is open to certain loopholes (possible getting pregnant when it isn't the normal fertile time or without actually having complete intercourse). I see the angels (Venus-Lucifer) standing with Binah, Saturn in partnership with Chockmah, Neptune preparing to announce the birth (8th house) of a son conceived by the Virgin. (Sun in Virgo) The fact that the Moon was void as Sun entered Virgo is symbolic of the virgin womb being impregnated. Jesus was said to be conceived by the Holy Spirit. This corresponds to the path that joins Kether, the crown and Pluto with Chockmah, Neptune and wisdom. The womb, Moon opposing Neptune and trine (9th house type, spiritual child and love) to Pluto were her last aspects.

The first aspect Moon, mother, the womb makes is to merge with the Sun, son in the sign of the virgin. I think this chart is showing the immaculate conception which really is symbolic of each of our conceptions. It shows the amazing, magical power of what takes place during the void in the secret places (8th). What is conceived of the spirit in secret (Pluto in Sag in the 12) is born 9 months later in Virgo, the virgin. I realize the virgin said to conceive the coming messiah in the old testament is almah and betulah, Virgo is the unveiled virgin, but I think it fits, especially with Jesus main theme carried forward to present is the loaves (Virgo) and fishes (Pisces).

My firm belief after studying this chart is that the message is, besides my previous paragraph, that to be born again is the reincarnation necessary in order to learn every path possible. To come again implies the same thing. Through our long process of growing and learning we will eventually know how to create heaven on earth, or allow our God self to create it, and receive sustenance from the tree of life, food for each of the twelve months. There will no longer be a need for sickness, tears or death. Wether that is a physical place on the earth plane or a spiritual plane doesn't really matter to me, ultimately. This chart shows the conception of Jesus, not a final coming. I notice, also, that the rising degree is square to the Sun's degree of greatest exaltation, 19 Aries, which I guess must be intercepted in the 3rd? That's interesting. It makes me think there is more to be revealed, the other side of the story (Libra). The tribe of Isreal that is assigned to Libra, I believe, is Benjamin, meaning "Son of my right hand". His mother wanted to name him son of my suffering but his dad had other plans and changed it when she died giving birth to him. That name fits, since Libra is 5th from Gemini, the right hand. (Aries is Rueben, "Behold, a son", by the way )

I just noticed that none of the inner 7 bodies have any essential dignity, do they? This would imply that there is still much for humanity to learn and we can't just expect a savior to wisk us away and do it all for us. In Revelation 17:10 (I just looked it up ) it talkes about 7 kings, saying 5 have fallen, one is now and another is yet to come. If we take fallen to mean without essential dignity, we see that here. The Moon would be the one yet to come since its currently void. I wonder if there has been a time when all 7 were actually in their fall. Interesting thought.
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Re: When is the Time of the Second Coming?

Just a thought the 7 could relate to chakras, with 5 fallen and two related to divine connection. the chakras have relation to the planets dont they? I think I read that somewhere. You paint a beautiful picture of the future AE. I too think we have to do the work ourselves and not think we dont have to lift a finger.

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Re: When is the Time of the Second Coming?

This is interesting, assigning the 10th to the Christ, the annointed one, ruled by Venus. The final chapter of Revelatons comes to mind where Jesus is quoted as saying he is the bright and morning star. That is Venus, the ruler of the 10th and when she is the morning star, her name is Lucifer, the light bearer. She is Lucifer in this chart, setting and rising before the Sun, father, who is also refered to as the son of the father. Lucifer is often called Satan, probably because Saturn is exalted in Libra, where he is the accusor or adversary. In this role he uses his authority to show one the error of his ways, where he as missed the Mark (meaning belonging to Mars). Also notable, is the 19th degree, the number of the Sun, so prominant and numerous in the chart.

The way you have assigned significators, Mercury, the Holy spirit is ruled over by the Sun, father, and mutually recieves and gives authority to and over him. The Sun-father, exalts the spirit, Mercury, and rules over him. The spirit is an exalted ruler of the father and receives his authority from him at the same time. The people, Moon, stand embrased by both the father and the spirit.

The most important thing this chart shows, I believe, is that the 2nd coming has alreay happened, or, if you prefer, it isn't going to. The Moon is obviously void of course. The last thing that took place before the casting of this chart were for Moon, the people to receive the transformation and regenerative powers of Pluto, through love as shown by the 5th type of trine from Moon to Pluto, and confirmed by being in the 8th house of rebirth. The the final traditional aspect was to conjoin the Spirit, Mercury, and be of one mind in serviing and ruling the Sun, Father, Son. And please also notice that Mars exalts and submits to the authority of the Spirit, Mercury also. No one will be the loser here. That's why Jesus could claim that he and the father, along with Lucifer, the morning star, are one. He he made sure this little piece of written information would stay protected for generations to come by adding a little curse at the end, saying that if any thing was added to or taken away from those words, the symbolic plagues mentioned would fall on that person.
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Re: When is the Time of the Second Coming?

Well, the question was about the TIME not IF it will happen. The belief is it WILL happen. The moon VOC may mean we cannot know this time. What do you think?
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Re: When is the Time of the Second Coming?

Truth is dependent on context. The larger the context the more whole/holy/healing (all same root) the Truth. Therefore the phrasing of the question works to determine context.

In this case, using "time" for trying to determine the "end of time" is very telling.

As this is a spiritual-astrology post, consider the connection between mythology and astrology...that of Saturn (or Chronos..."time", in Greek). Saturn/time-space-3rdD "ruled" the world since his marriage with his mother, Gaia.


The "end of time" is exactly that...the end of Saturn's singular rule of this time-space, and the return of his Father...Uranus. The switch that goes on, therefore, is from the lower, dual Mecurial mind to the higher, unified Uranic mind.

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