Help with my Sun Square Neptune, argh!

MJ82

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That's interesting. Can you explain what you mean by "loving not wisely but too well", especially when you then say I seem to bottle up emotion? I think there's something to what you're saying, and I always thought it was an Aquarian detachment thing, with Aquarius strong in my chart (then again my Venus is in Aquarius!).

And just lastly, when you say that a resolution might lie in Venus sextile Uranus, by being more spontaneous, can you elaborate a little?

Your insights are very helpful, I hadn't quite looked at things that way... Thank you.
 

Inconjunct

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Very basically, contact with Jupiter inflates a planet's energies so Venus-Jupiter means an excess of love (using a keyword approach); as it's a square, it suggests this is challenging SO to sum it all up, to me it implies that you actually fall in love quite easily BUT your Venus house placement suggests you don't allow yourself to feel that. Now that is probably a combination of - as you rightly say - Aquarian detachment (although given your Sun-Pisces, I think that it is actually quite difficult for you to remain detached) and your experiences with your father.

Sextiles are "good" aspects but, unlike trines where the harmonious blend of energies is just there, they need to be activated by action. Venus-Uranus suggests to me that there could be more spontaneity and risk taking in your personal relationships and that that might work out well for you, should you choose to take this route.

Does this resonate with you?
 

MJ82

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Some of that does resonate yes. I don't think I fall in love very easily, though I am easily drawn to people on an emotional level, and (if there's an attraction) that can sometimes lead to falling for someone. But maybe, as you say, my 12th house Venus doesn't let me feel that so much, s maybe I'm less conscious of it..? I don't really know.

My Sun in Pisces is also intercepted so I'm told, so while I can be quite emotional, it's more a case of there being a lot going on inside of me, feelings-wise, and less a case of being emotional about people or love. Does that make sense? Would an intercepted 1st house sun fit with that?

It's always been the case for me, that when I have allowed myself to be spontaneous, I've faired better and felt better about things in my life. The problem is overcoming my inclination towards holding myself back..

Very helpful comments, thanks again Inconjunct!
 

Inconjunct

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I'm not so convinced about the concept of "interception" as it relies on specific house systems for it to occur. In a different house system, your Sun might not be intercepted and in the equal or whole house systems, there's no possibility of interception ever occurring.
 
I was looking back at my natal chart today and I was reading about Venus in the 12th House...

It indicates inhibitions in love and I was curious about whether I had any aspects in my chart that mitigate this?

Venus aspects (from a different chart to the one posted here, so orbs might be slightly different):

Moon trine Venus, orb -3° 11'
Venus sextile Uranus, orb 1° 34'
Venus conjunction Ascendant, orb 8° 22' [this is too wide for me]
Venus sextile Midheaven, orb 1° 33'
Sun semi-square Venus, orb -0° 42' [these are to weak to do anything]
Venus square Jupiter, orb -3° 46'

Thank you!:cool:
There are no hard aspects here, so far less problems in expressing there energies..

Retrograde planets aren't weak or bad, but they do tend to need more patience in terms of outward expression in the world. Some degree of difficulty can occur around making the planet effective in the world due to the inward orientation. Strengths of retrogradation include rendering the planet less prone to being swayed by collective and external ways of being, and more in touch with the core values of the individual.
uranus, neptune and pluto are generational, but when making aspects to personal planets are relevent. It's more important to pay attention to retrograde planets like, mercury, venus, mars, jupiter and saturn. For which you have 3 of the going backwards..

Of course in Equal house your stellium falls in 9th except for moon in 8th house. You may find you resonate with this link
The Mysteries of the 8th House: House of Death & Transformation
by Carmen Turner-Schott
http://www.ofspirit.com/carmenturnerschott1.htm
http://mysticmedusa.com/2009/03/the-eerie-8th-house/



miquir,
One more thing - that stuff you were reading about Sun in the twelth house and other stuff like it is not helpful and not astrology as it should be, in my view. An interpretation shouldn't kid you that your life will be easier than it will be, but it should never deplete your sense of personal power with which to shape your life.
What *stuff* are you referring to please?

here are some links to research natal chart aspects.

Natal chart aspects
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planets_in_astrology
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/learn-astrology/astrology-glyphs.php
http://www.skyscript.co.uk/sunaspects.html
http://www.skyscript.co.uk/aspects2.html
http://www.cafeastrology.com/natal/planetsaspectsastrology.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astrological_aspect
http://www.astro.com/astrology/in_aspect_e.htm
http://www.skyviewzone.com/astrology/aspectsreference.htm
http://www.skyviewzone.com/astrology/aspectssun.htm
http://astrologynotes.org/wiki/Sun_aspects
http://www.astrologyindepth.com/Special:prefixindex/category:
http://www.bobmarksastrologer.com/TOClessons.htm
http://www.theastrologicalaspects.com/
http://www.strangehouse.com/natal-aspects/index.php

planets in houses
http://www.horoscopeswithin.com/planetsinhouses.php
Houses/signs are like the backdrop of a stage/theatre, planets in houses behave like actors on a stage, the *aspects* show how these planets/actor behave in a house

If you want to research your venus in 12th

12th house planets/aspects
http://www.dkfoundation.co.uk/dkfoundation/dkfArtTwelfthHouse.htm
http://www.gotohoroscope.com/houses-in-chart-12th.html
http://www.dkfoundation.co.uk/dkfoun...rmaHouse12.htm
http://www.astrology-numerology.com/inhouses-sun.html#Twelfth

http://www.astro.com/astrology/in_dgtwehouse_e.htm
http://12th.tribe.net/thread/c160721f-6268-42d8-bf31-897977f99188
http://www.astrologyindepth.com/The_12th_house
http://www.myastrologybook.com/Mercury-Venus-in-the-twelfth-house-12th-house.htm
http://www.cafeastrology.com/natal/venusinhouses.html

Research threads on AW
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3173&highlight=12th+house
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=19818&highlight=12th+shouse
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=19818&highlight=12th+house
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=18312&highlight=12th+house
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=18312&highlight=12th+house
 

MJ82

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Yes lots of retrograde planets in your chart, including all of the 8th house planets apart form the Moon. Its important to remember that nearly half of people are born with a retrograde Pluto, and I would guess well over a third of people are born with Saturn retrograde. With Mars its probably nearer 10%, however, making it more of a rarity.

Retrograde planets aren't weak or bad, but they do tend to need more patience in terms of outward expression in the world. Some degree of difficulty can occur around making the planet effective in the world due to the inward orientation. Strengths of retrogradation include rendering the planet less prone to being swayed by collective and external ways of being, and more in touch with the core values of the individual.

With Mars I think this can mean checking whether things are getting bottled up, and I guess also with Pluto. Saturn perhaps needs more encouragement than a direct Saturn to risk trying to achieve something in the world, but when it does it is more likely to have integrity. These are only tendencies though.

The 8th house placement of these planets may add to their tendency to work more inwardly to some extent. To explain what I meant by 'rescuing' planets from the 8th, I'll say something about my take on the 8th house generally. The 8th seems to symbolise those experiences in which there is a fusion with another individual on a feeling level - an intimate sharing of oneself. Such experiences tend to draw out parts of oneself that have not so far been accepted by, and integrated into, the sense of identity - this can be for a variety of reasons, but generally speaking it is to do with a conflict of values. So when people describe the 8th house as the house of other peoples' values (opposite the 2nd house of one'sown values), the other person can be understood as ultimately being the other within oneself - the unconscious, which carries those things that clash with our consciously held values.

So we are confronted with our own unconscious, and the crises that are also linked to the 8th house ensue, as, hopefully does the transformation as the ego sheds its old skin to make room for the integration of new values from the unconscious.

Planets in the 8th house can be suppressed if we associate their expression with crises that we are unwilling to endure. Also, we may express them according to another person's values in order to maintain the fusion and thus avoid a crisis - i.e. we live out a part of ourselves through another to avoid the inner confrontation. A third possibility is that we experience a power struggle with the other over the expression of the planet, but do not yield on an inner level to the process trying to take place.

Rescuing a planet, I would say, is about being willing to yield in order gain true self-mastery, rather than avoiding the risk of letting go of the superficial and fragile control we currently have over our experience of that planet.

In terms of resources in your chart, I would say your imagination could be a great ally to you. The ruler of your 8th house planets is Venus, which is in the 12th house, and perhaps your main way into the watery realm of feelings is through Pisces, which is a very imaginative sign. Your beliefs and ideals could provide a sustaining and illuminating backdrop to this personal journey into your underworld (Jupiter in Scorpio in the 9th and Neptune in Sagittarius in the 11th)

My hunch is that you need to convince yourself that your intellectual defences (against the chaos and potential suffering of the feeling realm) are more rigid than is ideal for your well-being as a whole person. Then you can more easily process the feelings and reclaim your power.

This very much parallels my own journey, so I know how hard it is. I certainly haven't managed to put all this into practise myself yet.

Just to clarify something, as well as being strongly Aquarian, Virgoan, Piscean and Libran, you are also strongly Scorpionic due to Jupiter in Scorpio, the 8th house emphasis, and the angular Pluto.

One more thing - that stuff you were reading about Sun in the twelth house and other stuff like it is not helpful and not astrology as it should be, in my view. An interpretation shouldn't kid you that your life will be easier than it will be, but it should never deplete your sense of personal power with which to shape your life.


HI Miquar - I don't know if you're still active on here, and I know this a very old thread of mine, but I just remembered your saying in this old thread (above) that I'm very Virgoan, among other things. Well, this Pisces is currently under some heavy Neptune transits (transiting my 1st house for starters), and she'd like to be reminded why and how she's Virgoan! What made you say this, out of interest? Is it just having a strong mercury? I'd love to know...
 

StillOne

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HI Miquar - I don't know if you're still active on here, and I know this a very old thread of mine, but I just remembered your saying in this old thread (above) that I'm very Virgoan, among other things. Well, this Pisces is currently under some heavy Neptune transits (transiting my 1st house for starters), and she'd like to be reminded why and how she's Virgoan! What made you say this, out of interest? Is it just having a strong mercury? I'd love to know...

I'd like to know too! The way I see it is that Virgo would appear weakened in your chart since it's intercepted. If anything, Gemini would be favored more since house 4 intercepts Gemini making 2 house cusps (4 and 5) there and having it's ruler in the 1st...
 

MJ82

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I'd like to know too! The way I see it is that Virgo would appear weakened in your chart since it's intercepted. If anything, Gemini would be favored more since house 4 intercepts Gemini making 2 house cusps (4 and 5) there and having it's ruler in the 1st...

Maybe it's my vertex in virgo? I don't know, but interested to know what he meant :sideways:
 

folelser

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I have a friend whom I always found very bright, I can tell she is a good person.
I remember at high school noticing her being the only one who wasnt making fun of a poor girl (well I wasnt either) Made me apreciatte her very much.
She is spiritual, (she believes in god) I feel so good with her, always smiling and transmiting good vibes,I can feel her inocense. She has sun trine neptune.

Me too I have Sun square Neptune,moon as well.
I always though please! give me a bit of your easy bright(pure) energy.

I think we are a bit more complex though,
 

david starling

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I like most of what miquar said, especially about H2/H8 being about "values", instead of assuming everyone just values money! Lots of meaningful stuff, but I don't get the Virgo thing either. :unsure:
 

miquar

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Hi. I didn't see the post that resurrected this thread in 2015. I just looked at the chart again and can't see any reason to describe it as showing a Virgo emphasis. I probably got the chart partly mixed up with another one I'd been looking at. Apologies for the confusion caused.

Best wishes

Miquar
 
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