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George Washington was wealthy enough to refuse his salary, but he was urged not to because it would set a precedent for making the less wealthy Presidents look bad for accepting theirs.

Bernie alone doesn't set the salaries, but I personally think the taxpayers should decide how much their representatives are paid, not the representatives themselves. However, consider how outrageously much executives and administrators are paid in the private sector, including those "golden parachutes" when they're fired! That comes out of the workers' salaries.
But Bernie Sanders isn't a "less wealthy" individual, he is a multi-millionaire - like almost any other politician. He owns 7 houses, and he does make a lot in royalties per year through his best-seller books.

I mean even if he retired from the senate, without accounting for his pension, he would still be a member of the 1% through his book earnings (and possibly the investments in his money).

I don't think Washington's example would apply now days.

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But Bernie Sanders isn't a "less wealthy" individual, he is a multi-millionaire - like almost any other politician. He owns 7 houses, and he does make a lot in royalties per year through his best-seller books.

I mean even if he retired from the senate, without accounting for his pension, he would still be a member of the 1% through his book earnings (and possibly the investments in his money).

I don't think Washington's example would apply now days.
I wouldn't be against them all refusing a salary if they're already wealthy enough. Just so they remember who they're really working for.
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I wouldn't be against them all refusing a salary if they're already wealthy enough. Just so they remember who they're really working for.
They work for themselves, thats why they are happy to take a salary despite being super wealthy and having other means of sustaining themselves.

The only one not taking money (and actually loosing money) because he is wealthy enough, is Trump.

Just look at bernie and his twitter feed. Trashing on "millionaries", until he became one, updating his speech to "billionaires". Whether you agree or disagree with Trump's policy, he is the only one doing it for what he thinks is best for his country. The rest are just there to engorge themselves.


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Like I said, it's effectively meaningless to someone with Trump's wealth, but a smart propaganda move that impresses his followers.

Btw, a "Democratic-socialist" IS a "Capitalist".



Remember he tried like hell to pull this one off (the property is up to its eyeballs in debt and doesn't take in much I read compared to his other Florida properties)......BUT, he didn't manage to pull it off this time!!!



https://www.politico.com/news/2019/1...-salary-053366



When asked about his initial decision to host next year's G-7 gathering of world leaders at one of his resorts and the perception of a conflict of interest, Trump dismissed claims of inappropriate behavior and touted his decision to forgo his salary.
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I think Senator Sanders and his wife Jane, (schoolteacher professor at college in her career) purchased 3. One he said was in DC for the Senator's work, the other is their home in Vermont, and after he managed to get a windfall for writing a book in 2016? He used that money to buy them a Lakefront Vacation property.


Good for him, and her, They've worked their butts off for years. .... Nice to know he can relax watching the loons on the lake.

I found the breakdown of income & his home values and when they were purchased here:
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Here’s a look at what else is known about the senator’s income and assets.
Income as a senator

As a senator, Sanders makes $174,000 a year, according to the Congressional Research Service, which reported on Senate salaries last year.
Book royalties

Sanders made $880,091.14 in book royalties in 2017, according to the senator’s financial disclosure documents filed in May 2018.
Those royalties included a $505,000 advance on his book “Where We Go From Here,” which was published in 2018, Newsweek reported.


What I truly admire about this 77 year old Senator is not only his devotion to Equal Rights working with MLK in the 1960s, but also with others I admired then like Cesar Chavez who organized the lettuce pickers and started a union for them.

I believe Bernie can meet his maker in near future, with a big smile on his face and be proud of what he accomplished here on earth unlike one whose name I shall not mention, but whose initials start with DJT.

He believes in sharing the wealth of the nation, and I am very proud of Bernie, and hope he makes it to the pinnacle of his career. I wish the rest of the Dems would come join and celebrate this man.



https://www.foxnews.com/politics/how...lth-and-assets






Unlike John McCain and his brewery heiress wife Cindy McCain who was born into wealth and privilege, and whose father owned the largest and very profitable Budweiser distributorship here in Phoenix, he said when asked, "you need to ask Cindy, I can't recall how many we have", i.e. "condos, vacations, etc" ....he was seriously baffled by it all. This was during his race with Barack Obama when he said this.



He died where he spent most of his personal recuperating time between operations, not in Phoenix where they live, but in Sedona, the beautiful Red Rock country just south of Flagstaff surrounded by these beautiful mountains he loved.

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I think Senator Sanders and his wife Jane, (schoolteacher professor at college in her career) purchased 3. One he said was in DC for the Senator's work, the other is their home in Vermont, and after he managed to get a windfall for writing a book in 2016? He used that money to buy them a Lakefront Vacation property.

Good for him, and her, They've worked their butts off for years. .... Nice to know he can relax watching the loons on the lake.

I found the breakdown of income & his home values and when they were purchased here:
(even though its Fox, I don't think its an outright LIE this time).....
Here’s a look at what else is known about the senator’s income and assets.

He believes in sharing the wealth of the nation, and I am very proud of Bernie, and hope he makes it to the pinnacle of his career. I wish the rest of the Dems would come join and celebrate this man.
Oh I see... only 3 houses. Like every other normal hardworking individual doesn't he? I mean of course, he needs his two houses, that is normal for people who work for a living right? Then he needs his relaxation house. I see I see.

Its good his high salary, at the taxpayer's expense can afford him such a luxurious lifestyle so socialist bernie can relax on the weekends, courtesy of the hard working taxpayer.

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As a senator, Sanders makes $174,000 a year, according to the Congressional Research Service, which reported on Senate salaries last year.
Book royalties

Sanders made $880,091.14 in book royalties in 2017, according to the senator’s financial disclosure documents filed in May 2018.
Those royalties included a $505,000 advance on his book “Where We Go From Here,” which was published in 2018, Newsweek reported.
Oh only $174,000 a year. I see. So more or less 4 times the median income correct? And obviously much more than what the lowest tier of workers gain in a year correct?

I suppose this is what he means by "an economy that works for everybody", taxing citizens so he can earn at least 4 times what everyone else is making... and lets not forget the perks of travel expenses between those 3 houses being covered by the taxpayer either.

Its embarrasing that you are trying to justify this man's wealth leomoon.
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Oh I see... only 3 houses. Like every other normal hardworking individual doesn't he? I mean of course, he needs his two houses, that is normal for people who work for a living right? Then he needs his relaxation house. I see I see.

Its good his high salary, at the taxpayer's expense can afford him such a luxurious lifestyle so socialist bernie can relax on the weekends, courtesy of the hard working taxpayer.



Oh only $174,000 a year. I see. So more or less 4 times the median income correct? And obviously much more than what the lowest tier of workers gain in a year correct?

I suppose this is what he means by "an economy that works for everybody", taxing citizens so he can earn at least 4 times what everyone else is making... and lets not forget the perks of travel expenses between those 3 houses being covered by the taxpayer either.

Its embarrasing that you are trying to justify this man's wealth leomoon.
Yeah, but if he's for increasing taxes on the wealthiest, and he IS one, then he'll be taxing himself as well. Sounds fair enough.
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The IRS allows you to voluntarily pay more taxes than what is due, so he can start immediately!
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Oh I see... only 3 houses. Like every other normal hardworking individual doesn't he? I mean of course, he needs his two houses, that is normal for people who work for a living right? Then he needs his relaxation house. I see I see.

Its good his high salary, at the taxpayer's expense can afford him such a luxurious lifestyle so socialist bernie can relax on the weekends, courtesy of the hard working taxpayer.



Oh only $174,000 a year. I see. So more or less 4 times the median income correct? And obviously much more than what the lowest tier of workers gain in a year correct?

I suppose this is what he means by "an economy that works for everybody", taxing citizens so he can earn at least 4 times what everyone else is making... and lets not forget the perks of travel expenses between those 3 houses being covered by the taxpayer either.

Its embarrasing that you are trying to justify this man's wealth leomoon.

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The IRS allows you to voluntarily pay more taxes than what is due, so he can start immediately!
Sanders probably paid, and is paying, taxes on his income already. He's not wealthy enough for most of the loopholes. Trump used bankruptcies to get out of paying taxes, but I don't think Bernie has gone that ignominious route.
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Sanders probably paid, and is paying, taxes on his income already. He's not wealthy enough for most of the loopholes. Trump used bankruptcies to get out of paying taxes, but I don't think Bernie has gone that ignominious route.
So you admit he could voluntarily pay what he calls the "fair share" that he wants to impose on millionaires, but just doesn't?
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So you admit he could voluntarily pay what he calls the "fair share" that he wants to impose on millionaires, but just doesn't?
He's playing by the rules of Capitalism: Make as much money as you can, and avoid paying taxes as much as you can.

Why are you criticizing him for being a Capitalist?
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He's playing by the rules of Capitalism: Make as much money as you can, and avoid paying taxes as much as you can.

Why are you criticizing him for being a Capitalist?
He isn't a capitalist.
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Yeah, but if he's for increasing taxes on the wealthiest, and he IS one, then he'll be taxing himself as well. Sounds fair enough.
Given he, and his comrades, can set their own salary, what diference does it make?

Sure he can increase his own taxes.

And then he can give himself a payrise as compensation.

As most politicians already do in socialist countries....
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He isn't a capitalist.
Why do you say that? Laissez faire Capitalism isn't the only kind there is. Bernie's a Social Safety-net Capitalist, which requires much higher taxes on the wealthiest than Laissez Faire.

Under Eisenhower's administration, the maximum tax on the yearly income of the wealthiest was 90%. JFK lowered it to 65% and the economy was sound, with plenty of work, a living wage, and affordable housing and education. This has been a Social Safety-net Capitalist country since FDR.

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Given he, and his comrades, can set their own salary, what diference does it make?

Sure he can increase his own taxes.

And then he can give himself a payrise as compensation.

As most politicians already do in socialist countries....
i know that you know the difference between real Socialism and Social Safety-net Capitalism. Under Socialism, the government takes over the corporations. Social Safety-net Capitalism leaves the corporations in place but taxes them.

The Conservatives in Congress are nearly all millionaires, and nearly all of them voted to increase their own salaries. Those are the real hypocrites.

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How bizarre to criticize Bernie for not being homeless. He could obviously have been much more wealthy, had that been his exclusive focus in life. Why aren’t you happy when someone succeeds AND has empathy?
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How bizarre to criticize Bernie for not being homeless. He could obviously have been much more wealthy, had that been his exclusive focus in life. Why aren’t you happy when someone succeeds AND has empathy?

What?

There is a huge diference between "being homeless" and Bernie Sanders owning three expensive Mansions. Three valuable real estate properties.

Or what do you think his three houses are small apartments on the bad side of town? Of course not... he has three mansions in areas where property value is quite high.

Also he doesn't have any empathy.

- He has berated on millionaires for years.

- He has called out on those who have money and blamed them for most problems.

- He has spoken about "income inequality" more than any other politician.

Turns out he is just a rich hypocrite with more money than most citizens in america, and it turns out, most of his money comes from levying taxes on those poor hard-working citizens.


He is pretty much like an english lord from the middle ages, living off the citizen's hard work, in his three giant palaces, while collecting tax money from them.... for "protection". Its funny.

And for 40 years.... as part of the political aristocracy, or the new nobility.

He is a faker who is looking out for himself, engorging his pockets through the public's hard work. ANd its funny to see people defend and bow to their liege lord Bernie.
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The weakness of these personal critiques is amazing only because they tend to be repeated all the time, like they are valid arguments. The thing is if Sanders was a rabid capitalist he’d be much better at it than Trump, and much better than any of his detractors. He’s made that money literally while trying to do the opposite. There is a certain mean spirit in the capitalism Uber alles folks, who seem to think the only job anyone has in life is to get rich even if it means doing that at the expense of the environment or even the human rights of others.
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The weakness of these personal critiques is amazing only because they tend to be repeated all the time, like they are valid arguments. The thing is if Sanders was a rabid capitalist he’d be much better at it than Trump, and much better than any of his detractors. He’s made that money literally while trying to do the opposite. There is a certain mean spirit in the capitalism Uber alles folks, who seem to think the only job anyone has in life is to get rich even if it means doing that at the expense of the environment or even the human rights of others.
Yeah... "personal" critiques. The fact that he does not live up to what he preaches isn't worth discussing correct? Because that would be a totally unrelated subject right? Its not like his entire campaign slogan is based on "the rich are bad", while he is a rich man and a one percenter, while the people that support him follow him like sheep, forcing themselves to ignore that fact.

I'm just comparing his own campaign speeches to how he lives his life, which is fair game for politicians.

Also, lot of "if" and hypotheticals in your statement, which is funny. Its like saying that Bernie would have been a better basketball player than LeBron if he had wanted to.

Bernie is a con-man, and at this stage of the presidential race should be apparent to anyone.
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So utterly empty. Literally all you have is “Sanders managed his money while working on behalf of the people in hopes of increasing his own tax rate. He should have given it away to be a pauper too poor to successfully advocate for the poor.”
The underlying meanness of spirit in your approach is transparent, even when you change the subject by using an out of left field basketball metaphor when we are talking about taxation and finances.
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So utterly empty. Literally all you have is “Sanders managed his money while working on behalf of the people in hopes of increasing his own tax rate. He should have given it away to be a pauper too poor to successfully advocate for the poor.”
The underlying meanness of spirit in your approach is transparent, even when you change the subject by using an out of left field basketball metaphor when we are talking about taxation and finances.
You are minimizing my argument, to avoid tackling the issue at hand, which is his lack of integrity when he is raking vast amounts of profit from a self-determined government salary ... while preaching about income inequality -- ignoring that the reason half of the members of society can't afford the same luxuries is mainly because of an outreageous taxation system he supports, that is detrimental to economic growth.

You are the one who talked about unreal scenarios, and I just offered one which was just as ridiculous as the one you proposed. Your argument, not mine honey.

Let me ask you something, how much money should a U.S. senator's salary be in your opinion?

And wouldn't you agree that the money that is used to pay senators could be used on something else? like one of those social programs bernie proposes? Let me remind you of something: Bernie Sanders preaches higher taxes. He never preaches cutting down senate costs-- ironic really.
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You are deeply confused if you think you can critique anyone else’s character while supporting an individual as personally vile as Trump.
You may dislike him, but Trump's character has no inconsistencies. He is the living embodiment of what he preaches. His political message is surprisingly honest and direct. Bernie on the other hand is a walking contradiction:

- He is a rich individual who complains about millionaires.
- He is an "enviromentalist" who flies on private jets.
- He is a socialist who only donates 3% of his annual earnings to charity
- He is a "feminist" that uses sexist terminology in reference to women.
- He complains about income inequality, while taking lots of money from hardworking taxpayers.

"But... but... what about Trump...?!!!!!"

Sure Trump also flies in private jets which pollute the environment, and uses sexist language. But he has never made the claim that he is a feminist, or an enviromentalist, or anything else. He is very transparent about what he stands for, and lives according to those principles. No contradictions for Trump.

Bernie is a phony. A conman who wants power, and contradicts himself at every possible turn.
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