Virtue of being self-absorbed?

JUPITERASC

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Re: Feeling guilty about my natal chart.

If you're selfishly involved, you'll always have your back.

If you're selflessly involved, someone else will always else has your back.

In other words, if you don't trust the world, it's better to be selfish because you can count on yourself. You don't know if other people will have your back.

If you do trust the world, it's better to be selfless because you can count on other people. You don't know if you will have your back.

In the end though, we are all responsible for ourselves and what we might do. We have no idea what other people might do. It's better to be selfish because at least yourself is the most predictable person on Earth.

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JUPITERASC

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Re: Feeling guilty about my natal chart.


Thinking of yourself first is probably the most important thing you can do.

As a 7th house sun, I know what it's like to be selfless, and it never ends well.
You always come first before anyone else.
That's like a law of life.
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JUPITERASC

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Re: Feeling guilty about my natal chart.

You're welcome. :3

BTW, it's not in anyone selfish interest to have immoral motives. It's literally selfless to lie, steal, cheat, murder and everything along those lines. It doesn't help you at all to do those things; it just corrupts your soul and sooner or later people will not want to associate with you.

Everyone is self-absorbed differently, meaning, everyone wants, desires, and needs different things. If one person has something you want, and you have something they want, you can help each other selfishly. And if you want something that someone else doesn't have, you don't have to waste your time on them and vice versa. I think that's way better than just being selfless and hoping that what you're doing will help the other person at your own expense.

And people can have bad motives selflessly as well. In fact, I think people would be more inclined to have evil motives if they are selfless because every action they take is either to get the person to like them or appreciate them, to "appear" moral, and to ultimately base their entire existence on the behalf of someone else and not themselves; that can only end badly.

People should not be responsible for your well-being. YOU are responsible for your well-being.

I think this is why the Sun is exalted in Aries and debilitated in Libra.

And not to get political, but being selflessly absorbed is similar to communism, socialism, or collectivism... and we all know those things never work. Humans need other people, but only if it benefits the individual; otherwise, what's the point of being in a group?

Forgot to mention,
I question the motives
of the people
who are NOT
out for themselves.
Something
must be wrong with them,

and the people that willingly take advantage of people who are NOT out for themselves
are psychopaths, narcissists, or energy vampires.
The most evil people in the world
would not be able to thrive
if selfless people did not exist.
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david starling

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Self-absorbed bullies view their victims as their "rightful prey", and often attempt to imbue their own, predatory behavior with false, self-serving righteousness.
 

JUPITERASC

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Re: Feeling guilty about my natal chart.

Yes, but if you care about others there is a possibility that they will be using you; and when you really do need there help they will abandon you. At least if you're selfish, you don't have to worry about you abandoning yourself.

If you're selfishly involved, you'll require the resources (people, objects, whatever) to help you get through life. The best support is the support of yourself. Other people are wishy-washy and unpredictable. Trust is something is broken quite easily.

Intimate relationships are not necessary. :joyful:

Selfless people give themselves away to others because they fear their own responsibility and independence.

Absolutely nothing wrong with that.
Selfish people can serve each other selfishly.
Better than serving selfless people who serve you selflessly.

See, that's stupid.
Why even live
if other people
are above your own life?
Selfless people are enablers
for selfish people
to be extremely selfish.


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Self-absorbed bullies view their victims as their "rightful prey",
and often attempt to imbue their own, predatory behavior with false, self-serving righteousness.



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david starling

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Jupiter, you're so annoying...

Perfect opportunity for me to ask J.A. to repost one from about a year(?) ago, which I haven't been able to find. It was a sort of billboard with the words something like "If I haven't annoyed you yet, please be patient. I'll get around to you as soon as possible."
Loved that one. :biggrin:
 

david starling

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The issue for most who consider taxation "stealing" isn't that the government is taking one's money--instead, it's about what the money is being used for by government. So, it's okay for spending on "Food Not Bombs", for some. Whilst others insist on "Bombs Not Food".
 

Oddity

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Not crazy about my taxes going to corporate welfare, and I think that's a big thing in your country, too.

The issue for most who consider taxation "stealing" isn't that the government is taking one's money--instead, it's about what the money is being used for by government. So, it's okay for spending on "Food Not Bombs", for some. Whilst others insist on "Bombs Not Food".
 

david starling

Well-known member
Not crazy about my taxes going to corporate welfare, and I think that's a big thing in your country, too.

The best we could do (in theory, since the Military Industrial Complex wouldn't allow it) would be to give taxpayers a choice of say, 5 categories they want and/or don't want their tax dollars to be used for, and corporate welfare would probably drop to near $0.00
 
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