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Anyone here a truther/woke person?

Very rare that I ever find any woke astrologers anywhere on the internet.

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What's the criteria for being "woke"?
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I awake Not for long though.
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What's the criteria for being "woke"?
Wow, seriously? I would have thought you of all people on this site would know the answer to that, especially given your username.

Anyways one must be aware of the illuminati spawned deception that goes on and always has gone on in our reality and why.
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Re: Anyone here a truther/woke person?

Ah, yes. Illuminati, Rothschild hegemony of banking systems, 13 royal families, Pizzagate, red pills, NWO and all that.

Unfortunately I'm still sleeping.
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Re: Anyone here a truther/woke person?

In my late teens, I came to a couple of conclusions about my conspiracy forays.

Many who follow conspiracies aren't unabashed truth seekers, but are looking for someone to allay their fears that the world isn't really such a terrible place of iniquity after all. I saw this first hand when I was on a conspiracy site in my teenage years where someone only had to come with an authoritative voice screaming "hoax" for them to give up the search. This turned me off immensely.

I was drawn to the occult symbology of the so-called Illuminati and sought to investigate the origins of them without the baggage that contemporary culture has projected on them. I also sought to search the origins of the name Illuminati. I cut out the middle man, essentially.

I figure that truly sensitive information would not be so easily accessed by such a wide swath of people and that information that may seem damning are either red herrings, or so outdated as to be useless. (There's a reason why disclosure of classified material takes so long)

The complexity of geopolitics made me leery of the kind of reductionism that the conspiracy community has applied to current events.

If I was to get anything of worth information wise, I'd have to higher the stakes i.e. actively getting involved in organizations and becoming a sufficiently high enough member to be privy to certain material. A brief search on the web would be unlikely to net me the kind of dirt that could really "stick it to the man".

All conspiracy sites are said to be monitored, especially because those kinds of environments may breed international and domestic terrorists and activist movements. Those are perfect places to seed ideas into the collective airwaves of the internet, and all it takes is a person who has the requisite skill in propaganda and psychology. Easy enough for certain interests who have the money and resources to create such persons, right?

There has been some indications that some of the most recent "movements" are all artificially engineered. Any mass movement that crops up over night is suspect. And I don't see why such powers wouldn't also plant artificial information in the "truther" communities. It would serve whomever well to poison the well and to continually divide and conquer the masses against one another, if there goal is to continue acting without undue interference from outside parties.

I've been privy to activism attempts and the turnouts have been deplorable, since most people are comfortable to "show TPTB who's boss" when behind a computer and speaking anonymously. Most people don't have the strength of their convictions.

This is not to say that a lot of the conspiracies and atrocities wrought by corporate and political interests aren't without their validity. This is not what I am saying at all, so don't misunderstand me.

I'm just not that interested in being "woke" or a "truther".
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Re: Anyone here a truther/woke person?

There is a difference between knowledge and wisdom, Yony.

You can have read all the books in the world. Have all the facts, data, and information. Listened to all the scholars, gurus, and commentators. Be part of every club, group, and society. Surround yourself with absolute brilliance.
Yet never actually attain any degree of actual enlightenment, internal growth, nor any type of true expansion.

I only say this, because of your blatant arrogance and immaturity. It is something that is all too common within these circles. Knowledge, or lack thereof, is not to be boasted about. It is not a badge you carry around as if you now belong in some type of an exclusive illusory group. A group where you have made zero contributions to yet somehow you are now an expert on such subjects. You have the audacity to put others down for not having access to the same information as if it's an object of pride. Ownership. Again, information given to you. That you had zero input in, zero capacity to contribute to. It is a complete and total disrespect in every aspect & degree imaginable.

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What makes you desire to be woke, Yony? Is it important to you that you fit the mold of a truther? Why?
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There is a difference between knowledge and wisdom, Yony.

You can have read all the books in the world. Have all the facts, data, and information. Listened to all the scholars, gurus, and commentators. Be part of every club, group, and society. Surround yourself with absolute brilliance.
Yet never actually attain any degree of actual enlightenment, internal growth, nor any type of true expansion.

I only say this, because of your blatant arrogance and immaturity. It is something that is all too common within these circles. Knowledge, or lack thereof, is not to be boasted about. It is not a badge you carry around as if you now belong in some type of an exclusive illusory group. A group where you have made zero contributions to yet somehow you are now an expert on such subjects. You have the audacity to put others down for not having access to the same information as if it's an object of pride. Ownership. Again, information given to you. That you had zero input in, zero capacity to contribute to. It is a complete and total disrespect in every aspect & degree imaginable.
What proof do you have for these claims?
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Unread 07-24-2019, 01:12 AM
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In my late teens, I came to a couple of conclusions about my conspiracy forays.

Many who follow conspiracies aren't unabashed truth seekers, but are looking for someone to allay their fears that the world isn't really such a terrible place of iniquity after all. I saw this first hand when I was on a conspiracy site in my teenage years where someone only had to come with an authoritative voice screaming "hoax" for them to give up the search. This turned me off immensely.

I was drawn to the occult symbology of the so-called Illuminati and sought to investigate the origins of them without the baggage that contemporary culture has projected on them. I also sought to search the origins of the name Illuminati. I cut out the middle man, essentially.

I figure that truly sensitive information would not be so easily accessed by such a wide swath of people and that information that may seem damning are either red herrings, or so outdated as to be useless. (There's a reason why disclosure of classified material takes so long)

The complexity of geopolitics made me leery of the kind of reductionism that the conspiracy community has applied to current events.

If I was to get anything of worth information wise, I'd have to higher the stakes i.e. actively getting involved in organizations and becoming a sufficiently high enough member to be privy to certain material. A brief search on the web would be unlikely to net me the kind of dirt that could really "stick it to the man".

All conspiracy sites are said to be monitored, especially because those kinds of environments may breed international and domestic terrorists and activist movements. Those are perfect places to seed ideas into the collective airwaves of the internet, and all it takes is a person who has the requisite skill in propaganda and psychology. Easy enough for certain interests who have the money and resources to create such persons, right?

There has been some indications that some of the most recent "movements" are all artificially engineered. Any mass movement that crops up over night is suspect. And I don't see why such powers wouldn't also plant artificial information in the "truther" communities. It would serve whomever well to poison the well and to continually divide and conquer the masses against one another, if there goal is to continue acting without undue interference from outside parties.

I've been privy to activism attempts and the turnouts have been deplorable, since most people are comfortable to "show TPTB who's boss" when behind a computer and speaking anonymously. Most people don't have the strength of their convictions.

This is not to say that a lot of the conspiracies and atrocities wrought by corporate and political interests aren't without their validity. This is not what I am saying at all, so don't misunderstand me.

I'm just not that interested in being "woke" or a "truther".
I see. Those are all very valid reasons to at least dread the task of being a truther.

To answer the question in your most recent comment to me. Well, the answer is that I just so happen to have the access to the right things in order to be a truther as of now, and it's for this exact reason that I intend on making the most of the opportunity to be a truther by whatever means, not just because few have it, but because the more truther that are out there the better the world will be.
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I see. Those are all very valid reasons to at least dread the task of being a truther.

To answer the question in your most recent comment to me. Well, the answer is that I just so happen to have the access to the right things in order to be a truther as of now, and it's for this exact reason that I intend on making the most of the opportunity to be a truther by whatever means, not just because few have it, but because the more truther that are out there the better the world will be.
What proof do you have for these claims?
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What proof do you have for these claims?
Well to prove every claim I made there, I'd need documentation, which would take a while to acquire. So I will only be proving the claims that I can prove without the need of documents.

To prove the claim that most people don't have the necessary requisites to be a truther is easy, simply look at the world around you and use that to conclude what actual position the average person is in/most people are in.
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Re: Anyone here a truther/woke person?

Dread is not the issue. One doesn't need to be a truther to seek the truth.

You mentioned YouTube. Will your channel be focused on conspiracy theories?
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Do you do charity work?
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Well to prove every claim I made there, I'd need documentation, which would take a while to acquire. So I will only be proving the claims that I can prove without the need of documents.

To prove the claim that most people don't have the necessary requisites to be a truther is easy, simply look at the world around you and use that to conclude what actual position the average person is in/most people are in.
Yes it would, but it is what you ask of others
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No, I was referring to Yony.....

I agree with you
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because the more truther that are out there the better the world will be.
Better in what way? What does the truther do differently from the "non-truther"?


As a teen one boy in my class became a "truther" and tried to convert me into one. He was very good at preaching, but sneared on other more unfortunate people, saying they had it coming. Turned out he was being a "truther" because he thought he was cool and because some delusional old fag was coercing him into joining a cult.



The point is, if you are a truther and all you do is preach then you are no more enlightened than the non-truther.


Just curious if your Saturn is behind the desire to be a truther.
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Most people interested in astrology from my generation at least are less susceptible to beliefs that must be held just because everybody must hold them.
Something about the “Truther” moniker is inherently derogatory to me though.
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Most people interested in astrology from my generation at least are less susceptible to beliefs that must be held just because everybody must hold them.
Now I'm curious how people in your generation discovered astrology, and how you found it personally.
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What proof do you have for these claims?
There is a difference between one who seeks the truth, and one who labels themselves as a "truther" (myraid of problems associated with such). As CP so poignantly expressed earlier.

Your demand for "evidence to support such claims" is evident of this. Do you believe every 'truth' that exists is found in concrete factual evidence that you can point to? Can the totality of what you find to be true of existence be compounded and reduced to a single piece of evidence, or what you call "proof"? How do you define such "proof"? What parameters are used? Under what conditions are such "proofs" acceptable as verifiable truth? Are all "proofs" for the totality of all things that exist evident at this very exact point in time?

What I said earlier, it either resonates with you or it doesn't. You may not understand it now, 6 months from now, or even 5 years from the time of writing it. When you do, if ever, then what? When it finally does, will it then be a truth? However, for all those years it was a lie?

Do you have to have a series of books, endless amounts of data, and an entire panel of commentators to "verify" a truth? Do you need such to validate your own experiences?

A problem within these circles, like everything else, is the lack of balance that has a tendency to happen. You look at "conspiracies" until you end up with a conspiratorial mind. The information is one thing. How you process it is another subject entirely. It is the minds (complexity of such) involved with the subject matters. Not the subject matters themselves.

Your demand for "proof" from a simple observation pretty much explains this.

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Better in what way? What does the truther do differently from the "non-truther"?


As a teen one boy in my class became a "truther" and tried to convert me into one. He was very good at preaching, but sneared on other more unfortunate people, saying they had it coming. Turned out he was being a "truther" because he thought he was cool and because some delusional old fag was coercing him into joining a cult.



The point is, if you are a truther and all you do is preach then you are no more enlightened than the non-truther.


Just curious if your Saturn is behind the desire to be a truther.
Out of curiosity, how is it that you find yourself on a site dedicated to astrology, and what could be perceived as "higher-minded" pursuits yet use such derogatory language such as "fag" as a descriptive word to encompass the entirety of another human being?

I would also like your interpretation of what a "truther" is, what a 'less fortunate' person is?

My inquiries are out of genuine curiosity, please do not take offense to them.

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Out of curiosity, how is it that you find yourself on a site dedicated to astrology, and what could be perceived as "higher-minded" pursuits yet use such derogatory language such as "fag" as a descriptive word to encompass the entirety of another human being?

I would also like your interpretation of what a "truther" is, what a 'less fortunate' person is?

My inquiries are out of genuine curiosity, please do not take offense to them.
I'm sorry, sincerely, if my language is too strong (English isn't my first language btw), but I was talking about an unpleasant memory and I didn't have any nice thing to say about that man. Long story short, he was a cult leader and he brainwashed people into lifeless, selfish hulks. I got to meet him once and he said he was to build an army of "God's greatest children", which in reality was just brainwashed people worshipping him. I was rather traumatized by my time around him and I was glad I wasn't brainwashed.

And to understand what I mean by truther and less fortunate people, I need to explain the situation back then. The cult was built around the belief that the world was run by a "Divine Entity", the cult leader was the messenger of that entity, and he simply passed on the teaching to the members. He taught that basically you were a vice being at birth, fooled by the "devils" into believing in this reality, and you had no one to blame but yourself for every misfortune in your life. The only way to become "enlightened" was to follow his teaching, which consisted of fasting, shunning certain food and medical care (the devils' products), praying to the high entity, etc... As a result the teen I was talking about came to view everyone with misfortune as vice. A person with a birth defect was a demon worshipper to him. He once told a kid whose father just died that her family had it coming because of their impure way of living. Yeah, you get the picture. Deep down, that teen was just looking for something edgy to believe to make himself feel better. There was nothing noble in his cynicism toward other people.

I have a feeling the OP's definition of "woke" is something similar to that teen, knowing cynical facts of life that the masses aren't supposed to know. So, my point was that just because you are exposed to clever-sounding things doesn't mean you are "woke", and if you don't do anything with your "woke" status then there's no point being woke. Cynicism can just be a more convincing form of delusion.
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Better in what way? What does the truther do differently from the "non-truther"?


As a teen one boy in my class became a "truther" and tried to convert me into one. He was very good at preaching, but sneared on other more unfortunate people, saying they had it coming. Turned out he was being a "truther" because he thought he was cool and because some delusional old fag was coercing him into joining a cult.



The point is, if you are a truther and all you do is preach then you are no more enlightened than the non-truther.


Just curious if your Saturn is behind the desire to be a truther.
Well some truther will be ignorant enough to simply preach and some won't, everyone has different ways of doing things.

Sure, you would expect a truther to be a person whose intelligence must be greater than the "typical sheep's", however in some situations people be truthers merely due to immaturity and recklessness causing them to be unaware of what they are actually involved in.

Honestly, that teen just sounds like he was most focused on making a joke out of the whole truther ordeal itself and wasn't actually trying to use the discoveries he made in any meaningful, intelligent way.

However the vast majority out of the very few souls who've been truthers in what we know to be human history have had a firm understanding of what being a truther is and furthermore have used their discoveries the way a truther should.

So I believe you have a very strong misconception of what a truther is and looks like, at least as of today.
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