My Birth Time is Exact
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Julian
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Also I have this question about my ascendant sign. The majority of my rising is in 
, but it starts in 27 
. Am I a rising with tendencies? I have to say I do hoard for glory and fame and I am very ambitious. I always like to be the attention center.
Also I hate when my
is said to be opposed to my 
. Come on, it's 10 degrees off and separative!
, but it starts in 27 . Am I a rising with tendencies? I have to say I do hoard for glory and fame and I am very ambitious. I always like to be the attention center.Also I hate when my
is said to be opposed to my . Come on, it's 10 degrees off and separative!Attachments
Julian
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went direct on April 2nd 1999 therefore it was stationary on April 1st 1999. Looking at the skies of that day, we can say that
was stationary. Or atleast that's my opinion. I consider the stationary effect to last -+1 days. 13 hours is less than a day (when goes retrograde). I checked the ephemeris on Solar Fire Gold and my IS stationary. I don't know why, but a certain person on this forum always bursts my bubble. That person always behaves like 
with me.
to receive a 
and a 
respectively from a stationary 
JUPITERASC
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That's a misleading statement
therefore it was stationary on April 1st 1999.
because
one day = 24 hours
and
during the 24 hours comprising 1 April 1999 Mercury continued retrograding for ten hours after the birth of the native
Your opinion is disproved by THE AMERICAN EPHEMERIS FOR THE 20TH CENTURYLooking at the skies of that day, we can say that
Or at least that's my opinion. I consider the stationary effect to last -+1 days. 13 hours is less than a day (when
I checked the ephemeris on Solar Fire Gold and my
According to my copy of THE AMERICAN EPHEMERIS FOR THE 20TH CENTURY http://www.amazon.com/American-Ephemeris-20th-Century-1900/dp/0935127208
after the birth of the native
Mercury continued travelling
ALMOST AN ENTIRE DEGREE retrograde
from the location of Mercury as shown on the natal chart
i.e. according to my own personal copy of THE AMERICAN EPHEMERIS FOR THE 2OTH CENTURY
on 1 April 1999 Mercury continuing retrograding for another ten hours
'travelling backwards' to 21 degrees Pisces 52
and then stationing at precisely
21 degrees Pisces 52
at literally a couple of MINUTES before midnight
i.e. Mercury did not station until reaching that precise degree 21 degrees Pisces 52
at a few minutes before midnight
Mercury then remained stationary at 21 degrees Pisces 52
for some time before then turning direct
and beginning to travel direct
and so
the following day 2 April 1999
it was only at approximately 17:15PM
that Mercury then returned to the precise degree shown on the natal chart currently under discussion
therefore Mercury is most definitely retrograde in the natal chart
and 'travelling backwards' extremely slowly
and not stationary direct
because Mercury stationed at 21 degrees Pisces 52
and not at the degree shown on the natal chart of 20 Pisces 53
Julian
Banned
That's a misleading statement
because
one day = 24 hours
and
during the 24 hours comprising 1 April 1999 Mercury continued retrograding for ten hours after the birth of the native
Your opinion is disproved by THE AMERICAN EPHEMERIS FOR THE 20TH CENTURY
According to my copy of THE AMERICAN EPHEMERIS FOR THE 20TH CENTURY http://www.amazon.com/American-Ephemeris-20th-Century-1900/dp/0935127208
after the birth of the native
Mercury continued travelling
ALMOST AN ENTIRE DEGREE retrograde
from the location of Mercury as shown on the natal chart
i.e. according to my own personal copy of THE AMERICAN EPHEMERIS FOR THE 2OTH CENTURY
on 1 April 1999 Mercury continuing retrograding for another ten hours
'travelling backwards' to 21 degrees Pisces 52
and then stationing at precisely
21 degrees Pisces 52
at literally a couple of MINUTES before midnight
i.e. Mercury did not station until reaching that precise degree 21 degrees Pisces 52
at a few minutes before midnight
Mercury then remained stationary at 21 degrees Pisces 52
for some time before then turning direct
and beginning to travel direct
and so
the following day 2 April 1999
it was only at approximately 17:15PM
that Mercury then returned to the precise degree shown on the natal chart currently under discussion
therefore Mercury is most definitely retrograde in the natal chart
and 'travelling backwards' extremely slowly
and not stationary direct
because Mercury stationed at 21 degrees Pisces 52
and not at the degree shown on the natal chart of 20 Pisces 53
I'm trying to follow what you said by calculating the position of
on Solar Fire Gold. is marked with an S on my natal chart. Okay. I changed the time to 5:19 pm on April 1st. It moved backwards one minute. Then changed it to 12 am on April 2nd. It's still moved for a minute. Now I changed it to 5:19 pm on April 2nd. The S has changed to black, instead of red.Wait I might be confused. You said that
went backwards to 21º52' 
. Then, it stationed there. And finally it went direct (that's how stations work, right?) by going backwards (what?) again to 20º53' . Please could you explain it a little further? I didn't get it. Thanks for the feedback by the way. I mean maybe my ephemeris is wrong, or yours is. Who knows? 
Now I think I got what a stationary direct planet means. Mine is! It's because it had to be less than a day for my
to turn direct?
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JUPITERASC
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Use your software to view a chart for the time of 10:21PM i.e. 22:21PM 1 April 1999 at birthplaceI'm trying to follow what you said by calculating the position of
Check a chart using your software timed for 10:21PM i.e. 22:21PM 1 April 1999 at birthplaceWait I might be confused.
You said that
Great
Easiest way to illustrate is to view a chart using your softwareMine is!
It's because it had to be less than a day for my
timed for precisely 10:21PM i.e. 22:21PM 1 April 1999
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JUPITERASC
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Got your question mingled with another two similar questions on retrogradesAccording to the ephemeris I'm going to present (which by the way belongs to astro.com drive safe)
and
the degrees are all over the place
plus
the details got mingled between Leo and Pisces
and so
CORRECTION
your natal Mercury IS RETROGRADE
because
on checking the revised data
the reason astro.com shows your natal Mercury as retrograde
is because their software is accurate to one arc second
i.e.
Mercury continued to retrograde
by specifically one arc minute
from 20 degrees 53 Pisces
back to 20 degrees 52 Pisces
and then stationed
by the way
this could be 'the retrograde effect of discussing retrogrades!
before going direct
Julian
Banned
Got your question mingled with another two similar questions on retrogrades
and
the degrees are all over the place
plus
the details got mingled between Leo and Pisces
and so
CORRECTION
your natal Mercury IS RETROGRADE
because
on checking the revised data
the reason astro.com shows your natal Mercury as retrograde
is because their software is accurate to one arc second
i.e.
Mercury continued to retrograde
by specifically one arc minute
from 20 degrees 53 Pisces
back to 20 degrees 52 Pisces
and then stationed
by the way
this could be 'the retrograde effect of discussing retrogrades!
before going direct
Are you sure it's retrograde? I wouldn't, personally, consider it retrograde, since it's just going backwards for a minute. It had to go backwards one minute in order to be stationary.. but wait!
goes stationary on 20º53'... So it goes backwards one minute but then goes forward? I'd say it's stationary IMO. It's 13 hours before it goes direct. I'm gonna rely on what my software says, really. It says Stat (obviously stands for retrograde, right?) Maybe we have something weird right here? Why does Solar Fire Gold put it as if went direct on 20º53'?
Now if we said that I was born on Apr 1st at 1:21 am then it'd be this way:
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Bunraku
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Here.
It's at 20º52'
I like this chart more. I'll use this one for readings from now on
JUPITERASC
Well-known member
If it's going backwards at all
even for one arc minute
then it's going backwards
i.e.
going backwards = retrograde
You already stated that Mercury 'had to go backwards in order to be stationary'It had to go backwards one minute in order to be stationary.. but wait!
So it goes backwards one minute but then goes forward?
I'd say it's stationary IMO.
It's 13 hours before it goes direct.
Mercury went backwards for one arc minute
THEN stationed
THEN went forwards
Interesting example of the accuracy of astro.com software
JUPITERASC
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That clearly shows Mercury stationary at 20 Pisces 52I like this chart more.
I'll use this one for readings from now on
at 10:21PM the day of birth
having travelled one arc minute backwards during the nine hours after the official time of birth
Julian
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That clearly shows Mercury stationary at 20 Pisces 52
at 10:21PM the day of your birth
having travelled one arc minute backwards during the nine hours after your official time of birth
Still wouldn't
be affected by the 13h left for it to station? Hmm maybe stationary direct is when the planet's GOING to turn direct, not after. (Like in my chart)
JUPITERASC
Well-known member
Interestingly,
if we were HELLENISTIC ASTROLOGERS
and were delineating charts two thousand years ago
then as part of conditions relative to the Sun
your natal mercury would have been considered to be:
"fit and able to do business"
i.e.
When a planet is in the interval from heliacal rising up to first station
or from second station up to the heliacal setting,
the planet is capable of appearing
and therefore is in a place conducive to the conduct of its business .
The heliacal rising of a star
(or other body such as the moon, a planet or a constellation)
occurs when it first becomes visible above the eastern horizon for a brief moment just before sunrise
after a period of time when it had not been visible http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heliacal_rising
When a planet is making a Station and/or phasis,
it is not only capable of appearing but is also intensified
Robert Schmidt http://www.projecthindsight.com/ says that Phasis means “making an appearance”
or “sudden dramatic showing of something”.
It can also mean “something that speaks”
or we can say that it means “an appearance that speaks”.
Phasis describes a planet making a heliacal rising
(rising before the sun)
(standardized to 15 degrees by Hellenistic astrology)
within 7 days BEFORE of AFTER native’s birth.
Rumen Kolev is one of very few living practitioners of Ancient Babylonian Astrology
based on his own observations of the skies,
Rumen Kolev states that the 15[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]º
[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]standardisation
is obviously a variable dependent upon local conditions.[/FONT], http://www.babylonianastrology.com/
When any planet is “under the sun’s beams”
i.e. within 15 ecliptic degrees of the sun,
the planet is considered not capable of conducting its business due to being “drained or unempowered”.
However, there are modifications to this
such as if a planet is in its Exaltation, own terms or own bounds or dignity,
then the planet is considered to be “in its own chariot”
and therefore “protected and/or shielded” from the potential 'harm' of combustion
When a planet is in the interval of first station to second station (i.e. retrograde),
the planet is not fit to conduct its business because it is described as “walking backwards”.
if we were HELLENISTIC ASTROLOGERS
and were delineating charts two thousand years ago
then as part of conditions relative to the Sun
your natal mercury would have been considered to be:
"fit and able to do business"
i.e.
When a planet is in the interval from heliacal rising up to first station
or from second station up to the heliacal setting,
the planet is capable of appearing
and therefore is in a place conducive to the conduct of its business .
The heliacal rising of a star
(or other body such as the moon, a planet or a constellation)
occurs when it first becomes visible above the eastern horizon for a brief moment just before sunrise
after a period of time when it had not been visible http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heliacal_rising
When a planet is making a Station and/or phasis,
it is not only capable of appearing but is also intensified
Robert Schmidt http://www.projecthindsight.com/ says that Phasis means “making an appearance”
or “sudden dramatic showing of something”.
It can also mean “something that speaks”
or we can say that it means “an appearance that speaks”.
Phasis describes a planet making a heliacal rising
(rising before the sun)
(standardized to 15 degrees by Hellenistic astrology)
within 7 days BEFORE of AFTER native’s birth.
Rumen Kolev is one of very few living practitioners of Ancient Babylonian Astrology
based on his own observations of the skies,
Rumen Kolev states that the 15[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]º
[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]standardisation
is obviously a variable dependent upon local conditions.[/FONT], http://www.babylonianastrology.com/
When any planet is “under the sun’s beams”
i.e. within 15 ecliptic degrees of the sun,
the planet is considered not capable of conducting its business due to being “drained or unempowered”.
However, there are modifications to this
such as if a planet is in its Exaltation, own terms or own bounds or dignity,
then the planet is considered to be “in its own chariot”
and therefore “protected and/or shielded” from the potential 'harm' of combustion
When a planet is in the interval of first station to second station (i.e. retrograde),
the planet is not fit to conduct its business because it is described as “walking backwards”.