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Your post contains a really nice display of the dignities, JA.
Thank you!

Thanks Ilene - it's clear and unambiguous
useful to print out and keep for easy reference

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Interesting idea, but not applicable on our Traditional board
because
traditionally
Sun in Aries is Exalted
and
Sun in Libra is in Fall


Traditional differs from Modernist "Sunsign astrology"
and since this thread is posted on our Traditional board
the discussion is from a Traditional astrological perspective
By all means discuss "Sun in Libra lacks ego/identity so is spiritual & therefore Exalted"
on another thread, on a more appropriate board
such as our Modern Astrology board
or Research and Development
Thank you, thats a good idea, didn't know it interferes with the Traditional astrology. x)
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Thank you, thats a good idea, didn't know it interferes with
the Traditional astrology. x)

Traditional astrology rationale is established for past two thousand years
approximately
Modernist thinking is different so we have separate boards
one for Traditional
another for Modern
If you are interested to read some Traditional material
there is plenty avilable online for free
such as for example

pdf THE ANTHOLOGY by Vettius Valens
written in Ancient Greek two thousand years ago
and translated by Professor Mark Riley of CSU
FREE online at http://www.csus.edu/indiv/r/rileymt/...s%20entire.pdf

also William Lilly
Christian astrology pdf

there is more if you would like more links
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Capricorn is the only sign with a rulling entity that isn't a Planet. The sign that does reject the stays quo, does it even within the zodiac. Thank you goat god Pan.(No the asteroid named after him doesn't mean anything.) Don't belive me on Capy and the status quo.

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Capricorn is the only sign with a rulling entity that isn't a Planet. The sign that does reject the stays quo, does it even within the zodiac. Thank you goat god Pan.(No the asteroid named after him doesn't mean anything.) Don't belive me on Capy and the status quo.

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Hi everyone. I'm still in the process of writing my book, so haven't had time to come on the forum much this year. I'm trying to find out something about the 8-sign zodiac which was used at some point in the past - perhaps in Egypt, I'm not sure. I'm mostly interested in getting a brief description of what each of the 8 signs in that system was thought to represent.

Beware strange web-sites foisting bizarre theories on the unsuspecting.

This is just a misunderstanding by people who couldn't figure out the doctrine brought to us by an Eastern Greek....as opposed to the stupid Western Greeks. Eastern Greeks -- we're talking Lydians and Phrygians here...lived in Central Anatolia....yeah, modern Turkey.

Eastern Greeks were a conduit for information from Mesopotamia via the Sumerians. The Eastern Greeks passed on knowledge in math, science, astronomy and astrology first from the Amorites (mistakenly referred to as "Babylonians") and later from the Babylonians (mistakenly referred to as "Chaldeans") to the nucleus of what would later become "Western Civilization".....

This Eastern Greek -- Nechepso was his name -- espoused a doctrine of 8 power regions in the Chart, and you know them as Angular and Succeedent Houses/Signs.

That, is the source of the 8-Sign Zodiac Nonsense, in spite of the fact that Nechepso never said there were 8-Signs, rather he said there were 8 regions of power in the Chart.

Keywords are "Willing" (Angular), "Hoping" (Succeedent) and "Receding" (Cadent).

This doctrine impacts Natal, Mundane, Revolution, Horary and Electional Astrology.

A Planet will do whatever it will do....good or bad....if in one of the 8 power regions. Naturally, a Planet's condition will affect its ability to do whatever it will do.

This doctrine caused some confusion, leading some of the later astrologers, mostly Hellenistic --- like Dorotheus, but even Zael used it, to adopt the 7-Sign/House System of power, which was the 1st, 4th, 5th, 7th, 9th, 10th and 12th Houses/Signs.

Surely you can see the confusion --- the MC can fall in the 9th, 10th or 11th House/Sign, and so how can you have a king with a 9th House MC or MC Ruler in the 9th?

And what about the 2nd House of Wealth?

That leads to weird things like the 15° Rule )Ptolemy) where a Planet within 15° of the Ascendant (or MC) is considered to be in the Asc/MC.

That's what happens when subtle (and not so subtle) nuances get lost with the transmission of knowledge over time. I don't think Nechepso & Co or Ptolemy & Co are necessarily wrong....in fact, I'm not even sure they were talking about the same thing, and there's every indication that the Asc/MC were treated separate and apart from the House/Signs.

Even so, they all still pretty much say the same thing, that there's a distinction between looking at the Chart as a whole, and looking at Topics.

Suppose the Chart Ruler is in the 7th House....that's Angular, and (assuming it is otherwise in good condition) you could conclude that nearly all of what the Chart promises will be fulfilled --- it's just a matter of determining when (use Profections and Revolutions).

Now suppose the Chart Ruler is also the Wealth Ruler.....would you draw the same conclusion?

No....it's Angular in the Chart, but not to the Topic of Wealth....the 7th House would be Cadent to the 2nd House/Sign, and in fact the Topic Ruler can't even "see" the House/Sign it rules, and so it is powerless to do anything, regardless of its condition.

You can also view it as Public (Angular), semi-Private/semi-Public (Succeedent) and Private (Cadent).

Are all powerful men and women in the spotlight? On stage? In the news?

No....well, then you might want to look and see where the Topic Ruler (in the this instance the MC Ruler) is located. Same for those who have wealth...of any kind...how many times have you seen the modest person....only to discover much later that they have a rather fair amount of wealth (to a lot of wealth)?

You can also view look at those power regions in terms of "longevity." Some people retain their wealth and/or health their whole lives, while others see their health/wealth fade with age....or lose their friends....don't age gracefully....have fewer enemies....fewer employees...their power fades....their zeal for things religious, ideological, educational or philosophical wanes.

You're looking at something Cadent in the Chart; if not the Topic Ruler, then the Lot; or a Succeedent Topic Ruler/Cadent Lot; a Cadent Lot Ruler; an Angular Ruler but in poor condition with the Lot or Lot Ruler Cadent....it's there.

Anyway, if you want to research astrology, especially ancient astrology, then I would suggest the proper venue is a library -- like a university library, and not the internet


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Where did nechepso say that?
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Where did nechepso say that?

1st century text written in form of a poem by DOROTHEUS OF SIDON

claims to be synthesizing the works of earlier authors
from 1st century BCE, such as Nechepso and Petosiris
or texts attributed to Hermes
after traveled widely in the two homes of astrology Egypt and Mesopotamia

Note there are also the Dorotheus ‘...fragments...’
and the Dorotheus ‘...excerpts...’.
The Dorotheus fragments were short passages of Dorotheus
that Pingree included in his 1976 book in an appendix.
Later a Greek manuscript had quotations from some version of Dorotheus in Greek
these are called the Dorotheus excerpts.
All of the excerpts have been translated in Greek for the linked edition by BENJAMIN DYKES

https://bendykes.com/product/dorothe...-astrologicum/

Dorotheus represented mainstream Hellenistic tradition which was successfully passed on
Ptolemy outside of mainstream Hellenistic astrology when compared with Dorotheus or Valens

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ANGULARITY PROVIDES STRENGTH - not Sign




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I saw you talking about detriment in here and quoting Valens - I have not seen a reference to detriment by Valens. He discusses fall, exaltation, domicile, but never detriment.



Could you post some quotes from Valens referring to detriment?
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JUPITERASC,
I saw you talking about detriment in here and quoting Valens

if you provide a link to that

then that would be great

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- I have not seen a reference to detriment by Valens.
He discusses fall, exaltation, domicile, but never detriment.
Could you post some quotes from Valens referring to detriment?

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ANGULARITY PROVIDES STRENGTH - not Sign



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Mercury however is Traditionally the "trickster" and not necessarily straightforward


Traditonally as I mentioned Mercury is in detriment in Sagittarius
and for example
Vettius Valens states in THE ANTHOLOGY
FREE to read online
pdf form
at
http://www.csus.edu/indiv/r/rileymt/...s%20entire.pdf
QUOTE:

'....This star’s effects go in many directions

depending on the changes of the zodiac
and the
interactions of the stars
and yields quite varied results.....'

generalisation is fun and tempting
but unreliable
each natal chart is different

Vettius Valens also mentions

QUOTE:

'....As for the end result
Mercury will make everything capricious in outcome
and quite disturbed.
Even more, it causes those having this star in malefic signs or degrees

to become even worse....'
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if you provide a link to that

then that would be great

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Thank you for your reply,yes i know but in my opinion
sagittarius straight forward,honest way
matches to mercury more than gossipy and distracted gemini.
Just my opinion.


Mercury however is Traditionally the "trickster" and not necessarily straightforward

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Actually i have been thinking the same about mercury in sagittarius.
Seems as the characteristics of this sign are compatible
to a real genuine way of communication.


Traditonally as I mentioned Mercury is in detriment in Sagittarius
and for example
Vettius Valens states in THE ANTHOLOGY
FREE to read online
pdf form
at
http://www.csus.edu/indiv/r/rileymt/...s%20entire.pdf
QUOTE:

'....This star’s effects go in many directions

depending on the changes of the zodiac
and the
interactions of the stars
and yields quite varied results.....'
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i just dont agree with some
so im just expressing my opinion having my mercury in its domicile,triplicity and terms...


generalisation is fun and tempting
but unreliable
each natal chart is different

Vettius Valens also mentions

QUOTE:

'....As for the end result
Mercury will make everything capricious in outcome
and quite disturbed.
Even more, it causes those having this star in malefic signs or degrees

to become even worse....'
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Unless you are merely referring to the quote you posted below and not to detriment itself

Thank you for your reply,yes i know but in my opinion
sagittarius straight forward,honest way
matches to mercury more than gossipy and distracted gemini.
Just my opinion.
Mercury however is Traditionally the "trickster" and not necessarily straightforward

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Actually i have been thinking the same about mercury in sagittarius.
Seems as the characteristics of this sign are compatible
to a real genuine way of communication.
Traditonally as I mentioned Mercury is in detriment in Sagittarius
and for example
Vettius Valens states in THE ANTHOLOGY
FREE to read online
pdf form
at
http://www.csus.edu/indiv/r/rileymt/...s%20entire.pdf
QUOTE:

'....This star’s effects go in many directions

depending on the changes of the zodiac
and the
interactions of the stars
and yields quite varied results.....'
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i just dont agree with some
so im just expressing my opinion having my mercury in its domicile,triplicity and terms...
generalisation is fun and tempting
but unreliable
each natal chart is different

Vettius Valens also mentions

QUOTE:

'....As for the end result
Mercury will make everything capricious in outcome
and quite disturbed.
Even more, it causes those having this star in malefic signs or degrees

to become even worse....'



no SPECIFIC quote of DETRIMENT

i.e.

Traditonally as I mentioned Mercury is in detriment in Sagittarius
however I did not say VALENS said that
I said

and for example
Vettius Valens states in THE ANTHOLOGY
FREE to read online
pdf form
at
http://www.csus.edu/indiv/r/rileymt/...s%20entire.pdf
QUOTE:

'....This star’s effects go in many directions

depending on the changes of the zodiac
and the
interactions of the stars
and yields quite varied results.....'


to illustrate the variety of effects Mercury may have as stated by Valens

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Once you master a planet, especially with age, it's no longer a 'detriment', LOL!
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Once you master a planet, especially with age, it's no longer a 'detriment',


LOL!

so that's your usual advice to newborns




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LOL!

I'd tell them hang on!
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Once you master a planet, especially with age, it's no longer a 'detriment',
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LOL!

I'd tell them hang on!


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" ..... Plutonian "

Interesting idea, but not applicable on our Traditional board
because

Traditional differs from Modernist
and

this thread is posted on our Traditional board
the discussion is from a Traditional astrological perspective
and so

By all means discuss your thesis
on a more appropriate board
such as our Modern Astrology board

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Siriusly do read the following
PLEASE READ BEFORE POSTING ON THIS BOARD
https://www.astrologyweekly.com/foru...d.php?t=120411


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...Scorpio....
Introduction to Hellenistic Astrology Part I - Zodiac

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The image of the Scorpion is feminine, nocturnal, solid, terrestrial, creeping, servile, silent, fertile, poisonous, unchangeable, fierce, thievish, with many limbs, lying and of the west wind. It indicates inquiries, deception, lawsuits, fights and mysticism. Depending on the placement of the houseruler, men born under the influence of Scorpio are disproportioned and awkward, tricky, turbulent, base, covetous, lying, bitter because the Scorpion is stingy, competitive, powerful, with short head, delicate voice, round light green eyes, sharp nose, lower lip bent, coarse hair, dark, military commanders, generals, destroyers of property, thieves, murderers, traitors, burglars and haters of their own families. The front is weaker, but the back is robust.

Domicile of Mars, depression of Moon, it controls the reproductive organs, the muscular system, the urinary system, the lower gastrointestinal tract. It causes skin diseases on account of the rough skin and blindness on account of the sting. It is like-empowered with Capricorn, like-ascending with Gemini and like-engirding with Aries, and medium in both Hemispheres. It is autumnal, cold and dry for the north, and vernal, hot and moist for the south. Scorpio obeys Cancer for the north and commands it for the south. Scorpio controls Metagonitis, Mauritania, Gaetulia, Syria, Comangene and Cappadocia. The claws are rising up to the 7th degree, the head up to the 11th, the body and Antares up to the 19th, the back up to the 24th, and the sting up to the 30th.

The first 7° belong to Mars - embezzlements, dangers, travel
The next 4° belong to Venus - fortune, those who advance unexpectedly through others
The next 8° belong to Mercury - abiding, some become bankers and administrators
The next 5° belong to Jupiter - increase, advancement, inheritances
The final 6° belong to Saturn - necessity, constraint, infertile

Forehead - Mars and moderately Saturn
Body - Mars and moderately Jupiter
Joints - Saturn and moderately Venus
Sting - Mars and Mercury
M7 - Mars and the Moon



Such, then, are the observations of the effects of the stars as made by our predecessors. Let us now proceed with the seven-zone.

Bibliography:
Ludwich, A. (Ed.). (1877). Maximi et Ammonis carminum De actionum auspiciis reliquiae: accedunt Anecdota astrologica. BG Teubneri. Retrieved from
https://archive.org/details/maximiet...00ludw/page/n3
Manilius, & Goold, G. P. (1985). Astronomica. BG Teubner.
Robbins, F. E. (1940). Ptolemy: Tetrabiblos. William Heinmann, London. Retrieved from
http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/...blos/home.html
Schmidt, R. The Astrological Record of the Early Greek Sages. Project Hindsight.
Valens, V. Anthologia. Translated by Mark Riley. Retrieved from https://www.csus.edu/indiv/r/rileymt...s%20entire.pdf



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...Venus....

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Venus completes 8 sidereal cycles and 5 synodic cycles with 8 years.
It has retreating arcs of 15 degrees for 40 days.
Venus is moistening and moderately heating, benefic, feminine and nocturnal. Phosphoros makes those born under her shapely, graceful, effeminate, with bright beautiful eyes, having excess of hot and moist when morning rising, and plump, luxurious, olive in complexion, having excess of moist when evening rising, and in general, admired, passionate, wealthy, gracious, outgoing and friendly. Venus controls desire, love, priesthood, public benefactors, wearing of golden crowns and ornaments, merriment, friendship, companionship, acquisition of additional property, buying maidens and ornaments, agreements on favorable terms, marriages, refined arts, pleasant sounds, music-making, sweet singing, beauty of form, painting, mixing of colours, embroidery, purple-dyeing, perfume making, inventors, the masters of crafts, working with gold and precious stones, haircutters, cleanliness, plays, the supervisors of markets, weights, measures, trades and shops, giving and receiving, laughter and rejoicing, order, aquatic animals, the livelihood of the mother, assistance from women, remarkable reputations, nourishment and pleasure, the olfactory system, the reproductive organs, the secondary sex characteristics, multi-coloured adornments, precious stones, golden colours and greasy tastes. It is chronocrator over youth up to the 22nd year.


Bibliography:
Robbins, F. E. (1940). Ptolemy: Tetrabiblos. William Heinmann, London. Retrieved from
http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/...blos/home.html
Valens, V. Anthologia. Translated by Mark Riley. Retrieved from https://www.csus.edu/indiv/r/rileymt...s%20entire.pdf

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I have Jupiter in Gemini, it's served me well! I see details others ignore! And I can sort out information well!
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I have Jupiter in Gemini, it's served me well!
I see details others ignore!
And I can sort out information well!
well done

by the way modernistic generalisation is tempting fun
but
unreliable
i.e.
not everyone with that aspect is the same
details:

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Jupiter completes 6 sidereal cycles and 65 synodic cycles with 71 years.
It has retreating arcs of 10 degrees for 120 days.
Jupiter is heating and moderately moistening, benefic, masculine and diurnal. Phaethon makes those born under him light, of good colour, moderately curling hair, large eyes, tall, commanding respect, having excess of hot and moist when morning rising, and light, with lank hair, bald in the front and on the crown, with average stature, having excess of moist when evening rising, and in general, cooperating, distinguished, advising, truthful, beneficent, efficient and outgoing. Jupiter controls begetting of children, childbirth, faith, love, desire, alliance, knowledge, justice, friendship with great men, prosperity, payments, large gifts, abundance of profits, governments, honours, authority over temples, arbitration of disputes, brotherhood, fellowship, inheritances, adoption, fidelity, the livelihood of the father, confirmation of good things, deliverance from bad things, freedom, entrustments, treasures, stewardship, athleticism and zealotry, the reproductive system, the digestive system, the integumentary system, sacred objects, tin, brilliant colours and sweet tastes. It is chronocrator over early old age up to the 68th year.


Bibliography:
Robbins, F. E. (1940). Ptolemy: Tetrabiblos. William Heinmann, London. Retrieved from
http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/...blos/home.html
Valens, V. Anthologia. Translated by Mark Riley. Retrieved from https://www.csus.edu/indiv/r/rileymt...s%20entire.pdf



The image of the Twins is masculine, diurnal, double-bodied, human, common, eloquent, semi-fertile, rising backwards, handsome, standing and of the east wind. It indicates disputes, affairs, eloquence, trade and mysticism. Depending on the placement of the houseruler, men born under the influence of Gemini are sensible, changeable, curious, articulate, prudent, public, mystical, temperate, with fine face, good complexion, large beautiful eyes, open nostrils, fine lips because the Twins are charming in conversation, exchanging, broad shoulders, white, educated, scholars, poetical, music lovers, declaimers, stewards, receivers of trusts, translators, merchants, judges of good and evil, sensible, astrologers and guardians of secret matters. The front is weaker, but the back is robust.

Domicile of Mercury, it controls the shoulders, arms and hands, the vestibular system, the gustatory system and the auditory system. It is tropical, like-ascending with Scorpio and like-engirding with Virgo, medium in both Hemispheres. It is summery, hot and dry for the north, and wintry, cold and moist for the south. Gemini commands Sagittarius for the north and obeys it for the south. Gemini controls Hyrcania, Armenia, Mantinea, Cyrenaica, Marmarica and Egypt. The feet are rising up to the 6th degree, the lower legs up to the 12th, the lower parts up to the 17th, the higher parts up to the 25th, and the heads, Castor and Pollux up to the 30th.

The first 6° belong to Mercury - stillness, obstructions, rest
The next 6° belong to Jupiter - good fortune, kind
The next 5° belong to Venus - bloom, beautiful, fortunate from unexpected things
The next 7° belong to Mars - powerful, regulative authority, advancing
The final 6° belong to Saturn - subordination, bonds, reduction of wealth



Such, then, are the observations of the effects of the stars as made by our predecessors.


Bibliography:
Ludwich, A. (Ed.). (1877). Maximi et Ammonis carminum De actionum auspiciis reliquiae: accedunt Anecdota astrologica. BG Teubneri. Retrieved from
https://archive.org/details/maximiet...00ludw/page/n3
Manilius, & Goold, G. P. (1985). Astronomica. BG Teubner.
Robbins, F. E. (1940). Ptolemy: Tetrabiblos. William Heinmann, London. Retrieved from
http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/...blos/home.html
Schmidt, R. The Astrological Record of the Early Greek Sages. Project Hindsight.
Valens, V. Anthologia. Translated by Mark Riley. Retrieved from
https://www.csus.edu/indiv/r/rileymt...s%20entire.pdf



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Capricorn is the only sign with a rulling entity that isn't a Planet.
SATURN rules CAPRICORN - SATURN is a PLANET

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Originally
SIGN meant simply

"...a Sign of the SEASON...."

and
SIGNS were basically a Calender of the Seasons
which followed the Seasonal Path of the Sun on the Ecliptic

HISTORY OF THE ZODIAC
in-depth exploration of the origins of the Babylonian Zodiac
and its location in the ecliptic
reveals the division of the ecliptic into tropical astrological signs
was originally a derivation of Euctemon's tropical Calendar of Seasons (432 B.C.)
"...dividing the solar year into twelve equal months commencing with the vernal equinox,
in which each solar (tropical) month is named after one of each of the twelve signs..."
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MERCURY



Vettius Valens states in THE ANTHOLOGY FREE to read online
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'....This star’s effects go in many directions

depending on the changes of the zodiac
and the
interactions of the stars
and yields quite varied results.....'




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There's a distinction between looking at the Chart as a whole
and looking at Topics.
Suppose the Chart Ruler is in 7th
that's Angular
and
assuming it is otherwise in good condition
you could conclude
that nearly all of what the Chart promises will be fulfilled
it's just a matter of determining when
- use Profections and Revolutions.


BUT suppose Chart Ruler is also Wealth Ruler
would you draw the same conclusion?
No
it's Angular in the Chart
but not to the Topic of Wealth
the 7th House would be Cadent to the 2nd House/Sign
and
in fact the Topic Ruler can't even "...see..." the House/Sign it rules
and so
is powerless to do anything, regardless of its condition

You can also view it as Public aka Angular)
semi-Private/semi-Public aka Succeedent
and Private aka Cadent.
Are all powerful men and women in the spotlight?
On stage? In the news?
No
then see where the Topic Ruler
in this instance the MC Ruler
is located.

Same for those who have wealth
of any kind
have you seen a modest person
only to discover much later
that they have a rather fair amount of wealth
to a lot of wealth?
source BobZemco

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