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Unread 11-16-2016, 03:22 PM
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Sun destroyed by South Node conjunction

South Node is conjunct my Gemini Sun in the 9th
Opposes NN conjunct Eros in Sagittarius in the 3rd
Both squared by Jupiter in Pisces from 5/6th
Aspects are all very tight...0-2 degrees.

I'd really appreciate your input on this!

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Unread 11-16-2016, 03:41 PM
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Re: Sun destroyed by South Node conjunction

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Sun does not get destroyed by SN. SN symbolises something you have learned already, in this case self-expression through communication. In this life you seek broader understanding/perspective as symbolised by your NN in Sag.
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Re: Sun destroyed by South Node conjunction

I was going to post the instructions for posting your chart, then saw Bina beat me to it.

Based on what you've shared about your chart, nodes have a few different meanings. South node can indeed represent what you've already learned. It's associated with past lives--that can mean literal past lives if you believe in reincarnation, or it can mean what you're carrying forward from your ancestral past: attitudes, beliefs, etc. handed down from your ancestors, from your parents all the way back to the proverbial Adam and Eve.

There's also a whole other school of thought, in both Vedic and Western astrology, that describes the north node as magnifying everything and the south node as shrinking everything. North node is the dragon's head: it eats but doesn't digest, it's always hungry for more. Natal planets conjunct the north node have their influence magnified. When planets transit the north node, or when the north node transits a planet in your natal chart, their influence is magnified for you during the transit.

South node is the dragon's tail: it eliminates. Planets conjunct the south node have their influence muted somewhat, kind of as if they were retrograde or in detriment. If a planet conjunct the south node is also retrograde and/or in detriment (which your sun is not), then it's even more so.

There's yet another layer to that, though. North node magnifies everything because its influence is brought out into the material world. South node connects us with the spiritual world. If you have sun conjunct the south node, your ego growth (that's what the sun represents) has more to do with spirituality than with worldly success. It is probably much more important to you to follow your own path, even if it includes poverty, than to be ambitious, succeed, become wealthy.

You may be religious, or not-religious-but-spiritual, or not call yourself religious or spiritual, but still have a sense of calling or searching. However you view it, there is something spiritual about your deepest needs and desires. Focusing on career success, making money, etc. won't satisfy your purpose at all. That doesn't mean you can never have money or career success, just that you need something else to be your main focus.

Looking at it from a past life perspective, sun conjunct the south node means you were a larger than life person in your previous incarnation(s), or that you're carrying the ancestral influence of people who were. Sun in this case represents a person who others revolve around, who draws people to them, who is a leader, either out in front of the crowd or through strong influence behind the scenes.

The combination of Gemini and the ninth house suggests a teacher or spiritual leader (ninth house), who draws people in through what they say (Gemini). Considering that your north node is in Sagittarius in the third house, your path for this life is similar. Third house has similar meanings to Gemini, and Sagittarius has similar meanings to the ninth house. Jupiter square is also relevant, but that's a subject for another post, if you're interested.
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Unread 11-16-2016, 09:13 PM
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Thanks you Bina! I have a chart attached now.
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Unread 11-16-2016, 09:47 PM
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Re: Sun destroyed by South Node conjunction

Thank you Osamenor for your insightful post, even without seeing my whole chart. Wow, I'm so impressed.

I absolutely believe in something. I know something is there, but I'm not religious, or would call myself spiritual. There's often something drawing me to be materialistic I'm afraid...I wonder and I'd be so curious to hear what you've got to say about the Jupiter...it is a clue for this right?

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Looking at it from a past life perspective, sun conjunct the south node means you were a larger than life person in your previous incarnation(s), or that you're carrying the ancestral influence of people who were. Sun in this case represents a person who others revolve around, who draws people to them, who is a leader, either out in front of the crowd or through strong influence behind the scenes.

The combination of Gemini and the ninth house suggests a teacher or spiritual leader (ninth house), who draws people in through what they say (Gemini). Considering that your north node is in Sagittarius in the third house, your path for this life is similar. Third house has similar meanings to Gemini, and Sagittarius has similar meanings to the ninth house.
That is the problem? So my path in this life is similar to previous lifetimes? Or do I need to change something? I've just gone though a professional defeat. I feel like hiding at the moment, I have no message for anyone, I just want to retreat. I wonder if I should try getting onto my soapbox again?
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Re: Sun destroyed by South Node conjunction

From a pragmatic, modern astrology position, no of course the SN doesn't destroy your sun. The NN shows where your growth lies. The SN shows your comfort zone. You may actually be good at what your SN represents, yet there's no personal growth for you there, so if you dwell in it too much, you're apt to stagnate. The NN pushes you out of your comfort zone.

I could imagine, for example, someone with the sun and SN in Gemini in the 9th house of higher education becoming a "perpetual student." (Grad schools are full of them.) Someone who enjoys learning, but is unwilling to move beyond academia into the real world of work. Or it might be the perpetual long-haul world traveler who learns enormously from his/her travels, when the real personal growth might be closer to home. (3rd house= one's neighbourhood.)

Your nodal aspect isn't so badly aspected. But you might find in some smaller way, the need to dis-identify (sun) with your comfort zone (SN.)
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Thank you waybread for sharing your insights! I appreciate it and you're totally right...

I'm always studying something... tarot, drawing, astrology etc but thankfully I managed to finish grad school in time and I work, but with lots of time for my own projects. I never want to travel but enjoy myself once I arrived. I also settled overseas.

You say the nodal aspect isn't so badly aspected. Do you mean the Sun conjunction? Isn't it a heavy influence dissolving my ego and convincing me I’m somehow special? I've been living dangerously for a very long time and I think it was because of this... but I guess it also made me stronger, and I needed that. Anyway, I've learned ways to deal with this lunacy now.

And when you say I need to misidentify with my comfort zone, isn't Gemini in 9th very similar to Sagittarius in the 3rd? The only difference I can see is that the Gemini 9th is more aloof in an ivory tower and the Sag 3rd is on the marketplace on a soapbox?

And I really wanted to shine in this lifetime. Ah well!

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Re: Sun destroyed by South Node conjunction

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I absolutely believe in something. I know something is there, but I'm not religious, or would call myself spiritual. There's often something drawing me to be materialistic I'm afraid...I wonder and I'd be so curious to hear what you've got to say about the Jupiter...it is a clue for this right?
Materialistic or spiritual is not an either/or choice. They're two sides of the same coin. To look at it in astrological terms, all of us have a north node and a south node. All of us have a need for both material things and the intangible and mysterious, too. On a deeper level, both the north node and the south node are about where the material and the spiritual meet. Planets conjunct one or the other tell us which side of the coin works for you in what ways, but they don't diminish the importance of the other side of the coin.

It is also said that the north node has to do with individualizing, and the south node with the collective whole. For that reason, Vedic astrology, which comes from a collectivist culture, considers the north node to be malefic and the south node benefic, while Western astrology, coming from an individualist culture, reverses that.

That said, if we read the nodes from a past life/future direction perspective, sometimes the south node picture looks very individualistic and the north node speaks to a need to incorporate some more relationship, cooperation, and community than you've had before. Sometimes it's the other way around. In most cases, including yours, I don't see individualism versus collectivism having any particular emphasis. It doesn't look like that particular kind of issue is a big one for you.

Your Jupiter is at what's called the north bendings. That means it squares your nodes from the spot after your north node and before your south node, if you trace a path around your chart following the signs in order from Aries to Pisces. If you had that Jupiter square coming from Virgo instead of Pisces, to the same node placements, it would be at the south bendings, falling between your south node and north node.

Planets at the north bendings are somewhat like planets conjunct the north node, in that their influence is magnified and likely to be felt very strongly on the material plane. Jupiter is all about expansion. Its motto is more, more, more! Not only that, it rules your north node (Sagittarius ruler), which is placed in the zodiac's most expansive sign. I'm not surprised that you have some very materialistic desires.

Your sun may speak to a very strong need for speaking, and living, your ideals, whether or not that leads worldly success, but it's also important that whatever you have to say finds form and shape in the material world. It's also important that your material desires be satisfied. However, they need to be satisfied in a way that does not compromise your ideals.

Looking at the nodes from a past/future life perspective, a planet in square to them represents something that hindered you in the past, and that you need to incorporate in order to move to the future. Since in your case the squaring planet is also the ruler of your north node, the message that you need to incorporate this is emphasized. We can discuss further if you're interested.

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That is the problem? So my path in this life is similar to previous lifetimes? Or do I need to change something? I've just gone though a professional defeat. I feel like hiding at the moment, I have no message for anyone, I just want to retreat.
All of us go through changes throughout our lives. That's a normal part of living and growing. You are at an age when a need for change is usually felt especially strongly. All of us have Uranus in opposition to its natal position from approximately age 38 to age 43. For you, right now, the Uranus opposition is exact. Uranus is all about change and shaking things up. Its opposition tends to shake things up, create a sense of needing a new direction for the rest of our lives, and usher in a new era.

It's midlife crisis time. Whether or not you experience that as a major, major crisis depends on how you handle it. How well you adjust to it, and how well you live the rest of your life, also depends on how you handle it. Some people hit their Uranus opposition and go out and buy the stereotypical red sports car, dye their hair, leave their spouse if they have one, date much younger people, do whatever they can to hold onto their youth. Some people take it as a time to seriously reflect and make changes that serve them well. Your withdrawal right now sounds like the serious reflection time.
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I wonder if I should try getting onto my soapbox again?
Again? Have you been on a soapbox in this lifetime? If so, that matches your south node indicators very well. Not a surprise, because when we read the south node as a past life experience, there's always some correlation with the current life.

Your north node does not suggest abandoning your soapbox tendencies for good, just revising and fine tuning them. If you spend some time in retreat, not saying anything when you don't have anything to say, that's a necessary part of the revision process.
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Re: Sun destroyed by South Node conjunction

Thank you Osamenor for your insights. I’m so happy to understand more about my Jupiter…and thanks for explaining North and South bendings…I’m starting to understand.
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Jupiter is all about expansion. Its motto is more, more, more! Not only that, it rules your north node (Sagittarius ruler), which is placed in the zodiac's most expansive sign. I'm not surprised that you have some very materialistic desires.
So my Jupiter’s influence is magnified asking for more and more? Sounds so like me. Even though I’m quite frugal, I can be insatiable. I worry about not having enough. I’d never admit this to anyone in real life. I thought having lots of mouths to feed while living in an expensive city made me so materialistic…

And, as you saw, here's the contradiction:

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Your sun may speak to a very strong need for speaking, and living, your ideals, whether or not that leads worldly success, but it's also important that whatever you have to say finds form and shape in the material world. It's also important that your material desires be satisfied. However, they need to be satisfied in a way that does not compromise your ideals.
Absolutely! I went to art school and making art was the most important thing for me. I didn’t go for the sensible profession. I blocked out the fact that I may never earn any money, hoping things will work themselves out...which somehow they did.

Still, I have an urge to materialise things: I work with my hands, I make things, I want to sell.

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Looking at the nodes from a past/future life perspective, a planet in square to them represents something that hindered you in the past, and that you need to incorporate in order to move to the future. Since in your case the squaring planet is also the ruler of your north node, the message that you need to incorporate this is emphasized. We can discuss further if you're interested.
I’d be eternally grateful to hear more about how to incorporate the Jupiter...he feels a bit of a loose end at the moment.

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Again? Have you been on a soapbox in this lifetime?
Oh yes... I sell the things I make, so I market, do PR, blog, and (yuck!) social media. I had enough of this, especially the social media side and I wonder if I should continue? Do you have an insight about this?


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Your north node does not suggest abandoning your soapbox tendencies for good, just revising and fine tuning them. If you spend some time in retreat, not saying anything when you don't have anything to say, that's a necessary part of the revision process.
Ok, I'll be silent to revise and fine tune, am working on it.
So far I've gotten here: my SN (Gemini in 9th) is a scholar talking to his people from an ivory tower..I need to get away from this aloofness.
Going towards my NN (Sagittarius in the 3rd) someone living in town, hammering away in his workshop and coming out to the marketplace/soapbox when there's something profound to say?

Thank you again and have a lovely day.

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