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SATURN SOLE DOMICILE RULER OF AQUARIUS
remains in each sign
for
approximately
TWO AND ONE HALF YEARS
dependent on whether retrograde or direct




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Benjamin Dykes translation of Abu Mashars GREAT INTRODUCTION
http://theastrologypodcast.com/2019/...enjamin-dykes/


SATURN signifies also buildings and waters and rivers
and the quantities or measures of things, and the divisions of the earth
also affluence and a multitude of assets, and masteries which are done by hand
greed and the greatest poverty and the poor.

And he signifies travel by sea, and foreign travel
[that is] far away and at great length, and bad.

And cleverness, envy and wits and seductions, and boldness in dangers
and impediment, and hesitation, and being singular
and a scarcity of association with men, and pride and magnanimity
and bluffing and bragging and the subjection of men
also the managers of a kingdom
and of every work which comes to be with force and with evil and injuries
and a tendency to anger, even warriors and fettering and prison,
also truth in words, and esteem, and prudence and understanding,
and experience, and offense, and obstinacy
and a multitude of thoughts and a depth of counsel
and insistence, and stubbornness in [his] method.





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'.....the nature of Saturn
is cold, dry, melancholic, dark, of heavy harshness
And perhaps he will be cold [and] moist, heavy
of stinking odor, and he is of much eating and true esteem.
And he signifies works of moisture and the cultivation of land,
and peasants, and village companions, and the settlement of lands,
also buildings and waters and rivers,
and the quantities or measures of things,
and the divisions of the earth,
also affluence and a multitude of assets,
and masteries which are done by hand, greed
and the greatest poverty and the poor....'
~ ABU MA'SHAR http://www.bendykes.com/ita.php


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SATURN SOLE DOMICILE RULER AQUARIUS IS A MALEFIC







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Benjamin Dykes translation of Abu Mashars GREAT INTRODUCTION
http://theastrologypodcast.com/2019/...enjamin-dykes/

SATURN wishes good to no one
And he signifies old men and weighty men
and burdens and fear, griefs and sorrow
and the complication of the mind.


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HOW TO DELINEATE SATURN SOLE DOMICILE RULER OF AQUARIUS


When faced with the smorgasbord of tools and techniques
found in Traditional Astrology

the beginner Astrologer often finds themselves asking
that singularly important question: "Where to begin?"


Steven E. Birchfield speaks about how best to orient ourselves
when beginning to read a natal chart traditionally.
There is a vast landscape of tradition, practice, and practicality
which one of the leading luminaries
within the field of Traditional Astrology in the world today
guides us on our journey
towards the heart of a grounded approach to Astrology.
Steven Birchfield on Reading A Natal Chart using Traditional Astrology
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DmRF...&feature=share



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To determine whether
SATURN SOLE DOMICILE OF AQUARIUS
is
a PRIMARY RULER of a chart
or not
Hellenistic astrologers have a number of primary rulers
all of which have different functions
The first probably most important
is the PREDOMINATOR of a chart.
The predominator of a chart
is the luminary of time
sun by day or moon by night
PROVIDED IS NOT CADENT

If sun is cadent in a Day chart then moon is predominator.
If moon is cadent in a Night chart then sun is predominator.

If both luminaries are cadent
i.e.
if both Sun and Moon are
then
ascendant is the predominator.


If the domicile ruler of the ascendant is also cadent
use the Lot of Fortune.
Some find that:
The cadent luminary can still be predominator
IF it is in his/her own house of Joy
i.e.
Sun is in 9th
or
Moon is in 3rd.

The predominator = planet that represents the life of the native.
The trigon aka triplicity lords of the predominator
tell use the thirds of life of the native
i.e.
first trigon lord = first part of life
second trigon lord = second part of life
and
third trigon lord = third part of life.
Once the predominator has been determined
then proceed
to determine the OIKODESPOTES of the natal chart.

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It survives in a summary of Balbilus and is also mentioned by Valens as a popular method along with decennials. The principle is the same as decennials, only the times are different.
You start with the predominator,
and then allot years as many as the minor recurrence years
of the planets in zodiacal order

(sun - 19,
moon - 25,
saturn - 30,
jupiter - 12,
mars - 15,
venus - 8
and
mercury - 20).

The difference between this and the 129 year method is that
if the stars should not be upon the degrees of their exaltations,
it will be necessary to
substract as many days as there are years, by sign, as many months.

One can further divide each time into 129 parts as many times as necessary.






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HELLENISTIC ASTROLOGY


"It's a good thing" for any planet that is of the sect in favor


If a planet is not of the sect in favor
then
it is the wrong time of day for the planet.


SATURN SOLE DOMICILE RULER OF AQUARIUS

is not of the sect in favor in NIGHT charts



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SATURN

Physical descriptions offered:

Generally the body is cold and dry, of a middle stature
the complexion pale, swartish or muddy
his eyes small and dark, looking downward
a broad forehead, black or sad hair, and it hard or rugged
great ears, hanging
lowering eye-brows, thick lips and nose, a rare or thin beard
a lumpish, unpleasant countenance
either holding his head forward or stooping
his shoulders broad and large, and many times crooked
his belly somewhat short and lank
his thighs spare, lean and not long
his knees and feet indecent, many times shovelling
or hitting one against another.


You must observe, if Saturn is oriental of the Sun
the stature is more short, but decent and well composed
if occidental, the man is more black and lean, and fewer hairs
if Saturn lacks latitude, the body is leaner
if he have great latitude, the body is more fat or fleshy
if the latitude be meridional or south, more fleshy
but quick in motion.
If the latitude be north, hairy and much flesh.
Saturn in his first station, a little fat.
In his second station, fat, ill favoured bodies, and weak
and this applies to all the other planets.


Manners when well dignified:

Profound in imagination, severe in his acts, in words reserved
in speaking and giving very spare, in labour patient
in arguing or disputing grave
in obtaining the goods of this life studious and solicitous
in all manner of actions austere.



Manners when badly placed:

Then he is envious, covetous, jealous and mistrustful
timorous, sordid, outwardly dissembling,sluggish, suspicious, stubborn
a condemner of women, a close liar, malicious, murmuring
never contented, ever repining.





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SATURN in physical description
is described as 'cold and dry'
This points to little flesh on the bones, small eyes
no alluring softness in curves and dimples
the hair is not soft, shiny and bouncy
but sparse and tends towards being lacklustre, pale or dull.
The body is generally thin and angular
with prominent bone structure
but sometimes it may incline towards excess fat, due to a weak, lethargic constitution.
The countenance is downward looking
and there is often an awkward gait, a slow, hesitant movement
with little trace of a spring in the step
www.skyscript.co.uk/astrology_saturn.html






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NATURE OF SATURN SOLE DOMICILE RULER OF AQUARIUS

'....Therefore, the nature of Saturn is cold, dry, melancholic
dark, of heavy harshness.

And perhaps he will be cold [and] moist
heavy, of stinking odor
and he is of much eating and true esteem.

And he signifies works of moisture and the cultivation of land
and peasants, and village companions
and the settlement of lands
also buildings and waters and rivers
and the quantities or measures of things
and the divisions of the earth
also affluence and a multitude of assets
and masteries which are done by hand
greed and the greatest poverty and the poor. ....'

The Introductions to Traditional Astrology:
Abu Ma'shar & al-Qabisi from which this passage is extracted,
is available for purchase directly from Ben via his personal website.


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To determine whether
SATURN SOLE DOMICILE OF AQUARIUS
is OIKODESPOTES OF A NATAL CHART
keep in mind that

the term oikodespotes aka DOMICILE MASTER
is used for domicile master/ruler of signs

for example
Mars is oikodespotes of Aries
and
Venus is oikodespotes of Taurus.
because
Mars
and
Venus
claim those signs as their dwelling place.



There is also an
oikodespotes aka DOMICILE MASTER of the whole chart itself

To determine this
first determine the predominator in a nativity.
then
The domicile ruler of the predominator's sign

is the domicile master aka OIKODESPOTES of the chart
i.e. the OIKODESPOSTES is the planet claiming the whole chart
as their dwelling place
The domicile master is the one who sets the agenda/policy in native's life.
The bound aka TERM ruler of the predominator = the oversight

i.e.
the one who sets the restriction over the domicile master
aka oikodespotes of the chart.
In chart delieneation

the domicile master of the predominator aka oikodespotes
preferably is in aspect with the predominator
and
the bound ruler of the predominator

preferably is in aspect or configured to the domicile master
aka oikodespotes of the chart.
Also important whether these planets are 'favorable' to the native.



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a lecture by Chris Brennan
on the concept of reception
in traditional astrology
and
how it can be used as a powerful mitigating factor
in birth chart interpretation

Broadly speaking
reception occurs
when one planet is placed in a sign ruled by another planet
and
the ruler of the sign aspects the guest planet.

Since the signs of the zodiac were originally conceptualized
as the homes or dwelling places of the planets
reception was conceptualized as
what happens when a host planet welcomes and supports guests staying in its home.

Medieval astrologers often treated reception as a powerful mitigating factor
which could make aspects from benefics even more positive
or alternatively make difficult aspects from malefics more constructive.

First part of the lecture - history and philosophy behind this concept
while the second half presents contemporary chart examples
to demonstrate how the technique works in practice.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwNTivlTws8


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Stars that precede are superior to those that follow
thus it is better for benefics to be on the right of malefics
and we say this for all assemblies, configurations and like-principles.

In every case it is necessary to

examine the assemblies and configurations with degree
for they become stronger the closer they are to their figures.

Like-principles of daylight, rising times and houserulers
cause harmonious affinity
but it will be very weak if the images are turned away.
It will be necessary to accurately measure
the distances between powerful stars
then measure the same or reverse from the Hour-Marker,
in order that
whatever relations the stars bear to each other
the Hour-Marker may bear to the Lots
and that they may be as they were Hour-Markers.




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positive characteristics of the Saturnian type
may be termed the good old-fashioned values

courtesy
decorum
and propriety.

Strong Saturnian types exude gravitas and take life seriously


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SATURN IS SOLE DOMICILE RULER OF AQUARIUS


The IMAGE OF THE WATER-POURER is aka AQUARIUS

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The image of the Water-Pourer
is masculine, diurnal, solid, watery, human, servile, eloquent, semi-infertile, handsome, standing and of the east wind. It indicates inquiries, affairs, crafts, water and property. Depending on the placement of the houseruler, men born under the influence of Aquarius are burdened, envious, lying, occasionally generous because of the uncontrollable flow of the Water-Pourer, craftsmen, public, mystical, youthful, delicate, with beautiful figure and eyes, smooth hair, dizzy, beautiful manners, white, working with hard materials, troubled by athletic training, artisans, wealthy, malicious, haters of their own families, incorrigible, making living by waterside places, betrayers of reputation and truth, accusers, haters of mankind, godless and uncontrollable.

Domicile of Saturn, it controls the lower legs, the skeletal system, the lymphatic system and the immune system. It causes blindness on account of the water. It is like-empowered with Libra, like-ascending with Pisces and like-engirding with Capricorn, short in the Northern Hemisphere and tall in the Southern Hemisphere. It is wintry, cold and moist for the north, and summery, hot and dry for the south. Aquarius obeys Aries for the north and commands it for the south. Aquarius controls Sauromatica, Oxiana, Sogdiana, Arabia, Azania and Middle Ethiopia. The left hand and the head are rising up to the 7th degree, the body and the right hand up to the 13th, the pitcher up to the 20th, the water up to the 25th, and the falling water up to the 30th.

The first 7° belong to Mercury - mastery, lovers of wisdom
The next 6° belong to Venus - friendships with great women
The next 7° belong to Jupiter - notable, some are winners of games
The next 5° belong to Mars - lawsuits, injuries, some die violent deaths
The final 5° belong to Saturn - education, grief in youth

Shoulders, Left Arm and Cloak - Saturn and Mercury
Thighs - Mercury and moderately Saturn
Water - Saturn and moderately Jupiter


Such, then, are the observations of the effects of the stars
as made by our predecessors.


Bibliography:
Ludwich, A. (Ed.). (1877). Maximi et Ammonis carminum De actionum auspiciis reliquiae: accedunt Anecdota astrologica. BG Teubneri. Retrieved from
https://archive.org/details/maximiet...00ludw/page/n3
Manilius, & Goold, G. P. (1985). Astronomica. BG Teubner.
Robbins, F. E. (1940). Ptolemy: Tetrabiblos. William Heinmann, London. Retrieved from
http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/...blos/home.html
Schmidt, R. The Astrological Record of the Early Greek Sages. Project Hindsight.
Valens, V. Anthologia. Translated by Mark Riley. Retrieved from https://www.csus.edu/indiv/r/rileymt...s%20entire.pdf
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ON THE DIVISION OF TIMES
https://www.astrologyweekly.com/foru...d.php?t=121677

SATURN favorably placed by day
causes profit from vigorous efforts and hard work, ancient trades,
mysteries, legacy, relatives, elders, property and land
and the times become good for everything.

When unfavorably placed by night
it makes difficulties in everything
inactivity, bodily illness and dangers, losses, poverty, penalties, h
arm, judgements and deaths of relatives
dismantling of ancient things, quarrels with elders
deceptions and extortions of friends
troubles from lands and foundations
and from the places that SATURN governs at the nativity

SATURN onto Jupiter favorably placed by day

are productive of prosperity, notable friendships and acquisitions.
When unfavorably placed by night
they fine and damage what is being completed
harm relatives, they bring toil and the reduction of wealth.

SATURN onto Mars favorably placed make troubles and setbacks.

When unfavorably placed
they make those who are discouraged and not eager
they gather up enemies and trouble
and sickness with Mercury.

SATURN onto Sun favorably placed by day

cause high rank and wealth.
When unfavorably placed by night
they portend dangers from authorities and travel
unemployment, penalties, dimming of vision
and harm to the father.

SATURN onto Venus favorably placed

indicate success in business and marriage for the unmarried.
When unfavorably placed
they cause disturbances of friendship and love
and changes of affairs.

SATURN onto Mercury favorably placed by day

indicate great advancement and increase of wealth.
When unfavorably placed by night
they bring about the chilling of business
contentions, debts, sickness
deceptions in business and harm from speech.

SATURN onto Moon unfavorably placed cause uproars

bodily illness, the reduction of possessions
and harm to the mother.
When favorably placed
the time is profitable and productive of alliance.

Jupiter onto SATURN favorably placed by day

cause advancement, association with the great
the alleviation of distress
nativities spend freely and manage the work of others.
When unfavorably placed by night
they cause turbulent times
oppression by superiors
and grief from relatives.


Published under Open Access 2020
MARTIN GANSTEN

'A Note on the Indian Planetary Exaltations and their Greek-Language Sources'.
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next planet equally important in overall rulership of a nativity
besides Oikodespotes
aka domicile master of the chart


is
KURIOS aka Lord of the nativity.

Kurios is the executor of the agenda
that Oikodespotes aka domicile master holds.

Determination of whether

SATURN SOLE DOMICILA RULER OF AQUARIUS may be Kurios
is determined from the following candidates

1. Ascendant sign.

Establish whether any planet(s) are in the Ascendant sign
AND bounds of the ascending degree.

2. Domicile Lord of Ascendant.

3. Moon and its Domicile Lord

4. Tenth sign from ascendant and its Domicile Lord

5. Lot of Fortune and its Domicile Lord.

6. Any planets that make phasis in the chart.

include planets that make a first or second station seven days

before
or
after

nativity.

7. The bound lord of the pre-natal lunation.


Kurios aka The Lord of the nativity
is determined using the above hierarchy
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SATURN sole domicile ruler of AQUARIUS depicts
someone who is characterised by austerity or seriousness.


If Saturn is dignified and well placed, they are inclined to think before they speak
and as a consequence their words carry weight.
Such a person is not to be lightly dismissed

Lilly describes Saturnine types as profound in imagination, severe in acts,
in labour patient, in arguing or disputing grave
in obtaining the goods of this life studious and solicitous.
Their sense of humour is dry and earthy
based on observing the reality of life
They seldom throw caution to the wind
and are always aware of a sense of responsibility to themselves and others.
They do not display their emotions easily
but their emotions, like their imaginations, can be profound.
Such individuals are observably deep, sincere
and generally gather respect.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by HoldOrFold View Post

I like to bring this picture out now and again
because

it perfectly illustrates
the symmetry in the traditional planetary rulerships.

Notice in the picture, the planets are in descending order
and the signs follow one after the other.

The co-rulerships are symmetrical.








Quote:
Originally Posted by HoldOrFold View Post

^ If you take some time to really think about that, it's pretty amazing.

- In general, I have found in personal cases that

people tend to embody their traditional ruling planet
As for Saturn ruling Aquarius, consider these points:

- Aquarius is cold and aloof
- Aquarius is about the community

(community is structured, bound by traditions and regulations)
- Aquarius is opposite Leo, the ego, ruled by the Sun.

Saturn is furthest away from the Sun.
Opposite to ego
(communal again)
- Just like Capricorn expands materially
using Saturn's laws of boundaries and structures
Aquarius does so to but more so with ideas and concepts.
These signs are not stagnating in Saturn
they understand and make use of it
and there is growth happening in their sphere of influence.

- Saturn is exalted in Libra.
Thinking about that for awhile
helps you
to break loose from
the typical doom and gloom associated
with Saturn
and
understand it's rulership over Aquarius.

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PLANETS DIGNIFIED IN AQUARIUS




SATURN SOLE DOMICILE RULER OF AQUARIUS
is dignified
not only
by sign
but also
is dignified in diurnal charts
ss daytime triplicity ruler Aquarius

MERCURY is dignified in nocturnal charts as night-time triplicity ruler.


Planets Debilitated in Aquarius = Sun by DETRIMENT



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SATURN SOLE DOMICILE RULER AQUARIUS IS A MALEFIC






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THE NATURE of SATURN SOLE DOMICILE RULER OF AQUARIUS
is

Masculine, diurnal
cold and dry
melancholic
earthly
malevolent
the Greater Infortune
Author of solitariness




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