Who will win the US Presidential Elections in 2008?
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Angel of Light
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What the biracial comment mean?LostVegas said:
tikana
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Angel of Light said:
bi-racial is a person who has half of one race and half from another .. or a mix ..
if one parent is black and another is white and if they have a child, the child is biracial. that applies to everyone
Obama keeps bringing up that he is multiracial person .. kind of classical case of American product.. and it is getting annoying
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Summery Joy
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Suggestion 1: to wait for the democratic candidate to be officially declared and use that event to see if they will win the whole elections too.
Suggestion 2: Go back to the event chart of when the elections officially started to see who would win, the democrats or the republicans. I suggest assigning the republicans to the 1st house in that chart since they already have the office.
What do you guys think?
Suggestion 2: Go back to the event chart of when the elections officially started to see who would win, the democrats or the republicans. I suggest assigning the republicans to the 1st house in that chart since they already have the office.
What do you guys think?
starlink
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Hello Nora! I dont have the event chart of the beginning of this election, do you? I would look at both, see if they compliment one another.
I have a bit of a strange feeling about Hillary. Her Asc. is at 29°45 Gemini, but could just as well be Cancer if the time was not exactly right. Having the ruler of the 1st in the 10th, to me, shows far more ambition than ruler of the 1st in the 6th (which would be so if Gemini rules her 1st).
I wonder what will happen to her. Saturn opposes her MC from the cusp of the 4th house and Saturn rules her 8th house. Transiting Pluto exactly opposes her Ascendant. Transiting Mars will conjunct trans. Pluto in November and also oppose her Ascendant.(natally she has an exact Mars/Pluto conjuncion which widely conjuncts Saturn. Modern ruler of her 10th house Neptune sextiles that conjunction).Looks a bit scary to me. Either something will happen to her, or she will get great power over the public (7th house). Obama has trans. Pluto opposing the ruler of his MC (Venus). This also could show a transformation in his social status.
Cheers, Star.
I have a bit of a strange feeling about Hillary. Her Asc. is at 29°45 Gemini, but could just as well be Cancer if the time was not exactly right. Having the ruler of the 1st in the 10th, to me, shows far more ambition than ruler of the 1st in the 6th (which would be so if Gemini rules her 1st).
I wonder what will happen to her. Saturn opposes her MC from the cusp of the 4th house and Saturn rules her 8th house. Transiting Pluto exactly opposes her Ascendant. Transiting Mars will conjunct trans. Pluto in November and also oppose her Ascendant.(natally she has an exact Mars/Pluto conjuncion which widely conjuncts Saturn. Modern ruler of her 10th house Neptune sextiles that conjunction).Looks a bit scary to me. Either something will happen to her, or she will get great power over the public (7th house). Obama has trans. Pluto opposing the ruler of his MC (Venus). This also could show a transformation in his social status.
Cheers, Star.
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fensi88
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Hi to all!
From Astrodatabank I received NEW BIRTH TIMES for candidates of election 2008!
"More than 1,500 astrologers from 45 countries have
descended on Denver, site of the Democratic National
Convention in August, for the "United Astrology
Conference: Rockin' the Universe." The gathering
concludes Tuesday with a panel predicting a
presidential winner in November. Key to those picks:
Astrological charts for John McCain, Barack Obama and
Hillary Clinton. And integral to those charts: The
candidates' exact birth times.
A hush fell over the convention hall late Thursday when
Dallas astrologer Joni Patry announced a birth time for
Obama -- one she said she got from a client with
connections to the campaign: Aug. 4, 1961, at 7:11 p.m.
McCain's birth time was embedded like a gold nugget in
a Mother's Day campaign ad. His mother, Roberta,
mentioned that her son was born Aug. 29, 1936, at 11
a.m. "All the astrologers are like, 'Wow,'" Patry said. "As
an astrologer getting his birth time, that's everything."
Clinton's birth time remains a moving target. "
From Astrodatabank I received NEW BIRTH TIMES for candidates of election 2008!
"More than 1,500 astrologers from 45 countries have
descended on Denver, site of the Democratic National
Convention in August, for the "United Astrology
Conference: Rockin' the Universe." The gathering
concludes Tuesday with a panel predicting a
presidential winner in November. Key to those picks:
Astrological charts for John McCain, Barack Obama and
Hillary Clinton. And integral to those charts: The
candidates' exact birth times.
A hush fell over the convention hall late Thursday when
Dallas astrologer Joni Patry announced a birth time for
Obama -- one she said she got from a client with
connections to the campaign: Aug. 4, 1961, at 7:11 p.m.
McCain's birth time was embedded like a gold nugget in
a Mother's Day campaign ad. His mother, Roberta,
mentioned that her son was born Aug. 29, 1936, at 11
a.m. "All the astrologers are like, 'Wow,'" Patry said. "As
an astrologer getting his birth time, that's everything."
Clinton's birth time remains a moving target. "
starlink
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Fantastic Goca!! Now we have probably the real birthtime for Obama! I never trusted 12.pm.
Ascendant 14° Aquarius, traditional ruler Saturn in 12th house conjunct Jupiter opposing Mercury (what does that tell us about honesty?). Modern ruler Uranus in 7.
Midheaven at 26 Scorpio, Mars in the 8th, Pluto in 7, squaring his Moon. Which ruler would you think is more descriptive of him?
Mars trines Saturn, so those are the two traditional rulers of 10 and 1 which to me sounds like it.
Pluto and Uranus are both in the 7th, house of the public?. Sun is also there. But Pluto is opposing Chiron.
Transiting Saturn is going to conjunct his Pluto in July (consolidation of office?). Jupiter will be conjunct his Ascendant ruler in November and sextiling his MC. as well as trining his Mars, traditional ruler of MC.
Looks like he could be the winner.
Cheers, Star.
Ascendant 14° Aquarius, traditional ruler Saturn in 12th house conjunct Jupiter opposing Mercury (what does that tell us about honesty?). Modern ruler Uranus in 7.
Midheaven at 26 Scorpio, Mars in the 8th, Pluto in 7, squaring his Moon. Which ruler would you think is more descriptive of him?
Mars trines Saturn, so those are the two traditional rulers of 10 and 1 which to me sounds like it.
Pluto and Uranus are both in the 7th, house of the public?. Sun is also there. But Pluto is opposing Chiron.
Transiting Saturn is going to conjunct his Pluto in July (consolidation of office?). Jupiter will be conjunct his Ascendant ruler in November and sextiling his MC. as well as trining his Mars, traditional ruler of MC.
Looks like he could be the winner.
Cheers, Star.
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starlink
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Hi Goca! No idea what will be the result of that eclipse, but I can see that it will conjunct Obama's Sun in his 6th house (3°orb). It will square his Neptune in the 9th, ruling his 2nd.(1°orb). My feeling says "no good can come from this", but I dont know enough about eclipses. It will affect the houses it falls in as well as the planets it aspects, so those will be the 6th, 7th, 9th , 11th and 2nd, but the 7th and 6th I think are the most important one's. I know there has been a thread about Eclipses, maybe I should read through that.
Cheers, Starlink
Cheers, Starlink
starlink
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Hi Gica, I found this in our own Forum under Eclipses, written by Astrostar:
A solar eclipse occurs during the new moon. The moon blocks the sun’s energies as it passes directly between the sun and the earth. During the month of a solar eclipse, you should start noticing the energies of an upcoming eclipse right after the previous new or full moon. Emotional truths can be revealed and emotions can run rampant. All signs will be viewing life from a different perspective during this time.
It will be difficult for us to be objective. All signs will take things personally during this phase. Deep feelings can come to the surface unexpectedly. This blocked and ambiguous energy will intensify until the actual eclipse date, and will resume to normalcy after about three to four days of the eclipse date. It’s best to plan in advance for the eclipse since our natural rhythms are “out of order” during this time.
All signs will be feeling the effects of the eclipses differently. Depending on where the eclipse falls in your horoscope, you will be dealing with issues associated with that house. If the eclipse falls in the fifth house, the emphasis will be on love affairs and children. If it occurs in the seventh house, the emphasis will be on marriage and legal issues. If it occurs in the ninth house, there might be a change of residence or plans for long distance travel.
Typically, this is not the time to make any major changes. If an eclipse (Lunar or Solar) falls in your sign, on your birthday or close to it (within three to five days), you are due for major changes in your life this year. Perhaps you will end one relationship for another, or you could decide to move. The idea is to shake up the status quo in that particular area of your life. Eclipses have been known over the years as a time of both beginnings and endings. They also signify change in your life on a massive scale. Embrace change and realize that for every door that closes, another opens. It’s all for the best.
Cheers, Starlink
A solar eclipse occurs during the new moon. The moon blocks the sun’s energies as it passes directly between the sun and the earth. During the month of a solar eclipse, you should start noticing the energies of an upcoming eclipse right after the previous new or full moon. Emotional truths can be revealed and emotions can run rampant. All signs will be viewing life from a different perspective during this time.
It will be difficult for us to be objective. All signs will take things personally during this phase. Deep feelings can come to the surface unexpectedly. This blocked and ambiguous energy will intensify until the actual eclipse date, and will resume to normalcy after about three to four days of the eclipse date. It’s best to plan in advance for the eclipse since our natural rhythms are “out of order” during this time.
All signs will be feeling the effects of the eclipses differently. Depending on where the eclipse falls in your horoscope, you will be dealing with issues associated with that house. If the eclipse falls in the fifth house, the emphasis will be on love affairs and children. If it occurs in the seventh house, the emphasis will be on marriage and legal issues. If it occurs in the ninth house, there might be a change of residence or plans for long distance travel.
Typically, this is not the time to make any major changes. If an eclipse (Lunar or Solar) falls in your sign, on your birthday or close to it (within three to five days), you are due for major changes in your life this year. Perhaps you will end one relationship for another, or you could decide to move. The idea is to shake up the status quo in that particular area of your life. Eclipses have been known over the years as a time of both beginnings and endings. They also signify change in your life on a massive scale. Embrace change and realize that for every door that closes, another opens. It’s all for the best.
Cheers, Starlink
starlink
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In Hillary Clintons chart the Eclipse sextiles her Jupiter, ruler of her MC!
I could not see her birthplace and made a chart with only 1° less West (86W01) instead of 87W39' and39°N47 instead of 41°N51, and with this chart I got a 1°34 Cancer. I am convinced that her Asc. is Cancer. Her birthtime of 8PM is also way too exact.
In Mc.Cain's chart it squares his Uranus exactly! His chart has changed considerably with the new time of 11 AM.
New Ascendant is now 17.22 Scorpio, MC 15°20 Leo and the Eclipse falls in his 9th house, conjuct his Mars and exactly trines his Part of Fortune in the 5th house! Oops!! Would that mean anything? The ruler of his 10th house is the Sun and it trines Uranus and the NNode, so with the Eclipse squaring this Uranus, I wonder what that means.
I could not see her birthplace and made a chart with only 1° less West (86W01) instead of 87W39' and39°N47 instead of 41°N51, and with this chart I got a 1°34 Cancer. I am convinced that her Asc. is Cancer. Her birthtime of 8PM is also way too exact.
In Mc.Cain's chart it squares his Uranus exactly! His chart has changed considerably with the new time of 11 AM.
New Ascendant is now 17.22 Scorpio, MC 15°20 Leo and the Eclipse falls in his 9th house, conjuct his Mars and exactly trines his Part of Fortune in the 5th house! Oops!! Would that mean anything? The ruler of his 10th house is the Sun and it trines Uranus and the NNode, so with the Eclipse squaring this Uranus, I wonder what that means.
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Hades
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i think its simple to conclude obamas going to win just because of his jupiter/saturn conjunction in his solar 6th house. transiting jupiter is there also.
thats the simple obvious indicator for me...
if you look at obamas birth chart and the current transits, iam worried about his safety...
he has chiron in his solar 8th house- which means his death will be of public knowledge but im afraid its not going to be 40 years down the road
also his natal pluto is opposite chiron- mars will be conjunct his pluto soon forming a t square with plutos current position.... and his natal chiron
iam worried that this is a BAD indication for his untimely death. hence his trip to iraq. with pluto in capricorn im sure this will point to an expose' of corrupt politicians who wanted him dead. they can easily make a death in iraq look like an accident or as if it was done by some insurgents......but we all know what truths pluto brings to the surface...
anybody else worried?
thats the simple obvious indicator for me...
if you look at obamas birth chart and the current transits, iam worried about his safety...
he has chiron in his solar 8th house- which means his death will be of public knowledge but im afraid its not going to be 40 years down the road
also his natal pluto is opposite chiron- mars will be conjunct his pluto soon forming a t square with plutos current position.... and his natal chiron
iam worried that this is a BAD indication for his untimely death. hence his trip to iraq. with pluto in capricorn im sure this will point to an expose' of corrupt politicians who wanted him dead. they can easily make a death in iraq look like an accident or as if it was done by some insurgents......but we all know what truths pluto brings to the surface...
anybody else worried?
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starlink
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Hi Hades, According to the new birthtime of Obama,his Ascedant is Aquarius and his Jupiter/Saturn conjunction falls in the 12th of his chart. His Chiron falls in his 1st house at 5° Pisces. Both Jupiter and Saturn are retrograde. In traditional astrology this is not good at all.
And yes, I mentioned (see above):
Candidates always have been targets, so I would not be surprised as I also have mentioned in another thread where something was predicted for the coming couple of month which would shake the world.
Cheers, Star.
And yes, I mentioned (see above):
Now the 9th is then maybe the Irak trip.
Candidates always have been targets, so I would not be surprised as I also have mentioned in another thread where something was predicted for the coming couple of month which would shake the world.
Cheers, Star.
fensi88
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Starlink, thanks for these posts.It seams that this eclipse will most effect Obama, because it is so close to his birthday!
I found excellent article on eclipse theme:
http://www.astrologyzone.com/forecasts/eclipse.html
I found excellent article on eclipse theme:
http://www.astrologyzone.com/forecasts/eclipse.html
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Hades
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starlink said:
his birth time is important but i really think some folks can accidently mustar up too much info and therefore make any study ultimately confusing...
the accuracy of his birth time would also be concerning to me.
ones solar position is always the most influential indication in my experience.
i recently read an article in a dec/07 mountain astrologer magazine with regards to how the solar chart is the most influential path...
maybe jupiter/saturn retrograde is an indication that his policies will be similair to jimmy carters. which werent that effective... looking at his solar chart is indicative of his current status as the leader in the poles. he will be president, if he isnt assassinated before hand... i hope he isnt!
Hades
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starlink said:
ok, in a mountain astrologer magazine i have, it has listed mccains ascendant is in libra... this is why i dont think focussing on the ascendant is worth it. the info is too untrustworthy (is that spelt as one word?)
there really isnt much going on in mccains solar chart to indicate him winning or clinton. except i think clinton may get the vice president role thanks to a jupiter/saturn trine in her 11th/3rd houses in sept and nov...
starlink
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Hello Hades, yes, there are lots of things in favor of a solar chart. You cant go wrong with that. I am getting a 3 monthly astrological magazine which is very trusthworthy. The editor and head astrologer is Claude Weiss. I dont know if you heard of him. He is Swiss. I may get the next issue soon and hope there will be mention of one of the birthtimes we have so far for Obama. They had a fantastic article about the death of Benazir Bhutto in it with the event chart (and those of her family members death's as well), so I do trust their exactness on birthtimes. Will let you all know when I have it.
Fensi88 thanks for that Eclipse link! Most helpful.
Cheers, Star.
Fensi88 thanks for that Eclipse link! Most helpful.
Cheers, Star.
starlink
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Hi again!
I progressed the chart with the Aquarius Ascendant of Obama for the 1st of August.
I am seeing the following exact aspects:
Pr. Mercury (ruler of his 8th house and 5th house) at 22° Libra 55'
Pr. Mars (ruler of his 3rd and traditionally 10th house) also at 22° Libra 52'
Both are exactly semi-sextile his natal Mars at 22°34 Virgo in the 9th
Solar Arc Pluto, also at 22° Libra 25' and therefore semi-sextile natal Mars as well!
So we have here a Solar Arc Pluto (ruler MC) conjunct Progr. Merc. (ruler 8 and 5) and Progr. Mars (also ruler MC + 3rd.). and all of them semi sextiling natal Mars. Semi sextiles are very powerful when exact and not always favorable.
Then I also noticed that in this chart he has Algol exactly conjunct his IC, opposite MC. (natally)
Furthermore:
SA Ascendant 29° Pisces 43' (critical degree) in his 3rd. and square Saturn at 25° in his 12th. SA Asc. does trine Uranus, modern ruler of his Ascendant.
Pr. Asc. 12° Aries 42 (ruled by Mars) in his 2nd house exactly trine Sun! also at 12°32' Leo. It will also trine the Eclipse point of course.
So from this aspect alone I would almost believe that this chart (or 19.11 hours) is the right chart! because it does after all look like he is going to become president.
Pr. MC. 8° Capricorn 56' (say 9°) in his 12th house, sextile Neptune at 8°36' and exactly inconjunct the Solar Eclipse point at 9° Leo and his Sun at 12°32'.
Now this aspect I like less
I progressed the chart with the Aquarius Ascendant of Obama for the 1st of August.
I am seeing the following exact aspects:
Pr. Mercury (ruler of his 8th house and 5th house) at 22° Libra 55'
Pr. Mars (ruler of his 3rd and traditionally 10th house) also at 22° Libra 52'
Both are exactly semi-sextile his natal Mars at 22°34 Virgo in the 9th
Solar Arc Pluto, also at 22° Libra 25' and therefore semi-sextile natal Mars as well!
So we have here a Solar Arc Pluto (ruler MC) conjunct Progr. Merc. (ruler 8 and 5) and Progr. Mars (also ruler MC + 3rd.). and all of them semi sextiling natal Mars. Semi sextiles are very powerful when exact and not always favorable.
Then I also noticed that in this chart he has Algol exactly conjunct his IC, opposite MC. (natally)
Furthermore:
SA Ascendant 29° Pisces 43' (critical degree) in his 3rd. and square Saturn at 25° in his 12th. SA Asc. does trine Uranus, modern ruler of his Ascendant.
Pr. Asc. 12° Aries 42 (ruled by Mars) in his 2nd house exactly trine Sun! also at 12°32' Leo. It will also trine the Eclipse point of course.
So from this aspect alone I would almost believe that this chart (or 19.11 hours) is the right chart! because it does after all look like he is going to become president.
Pr. MC. 8° Capricorn 56' (say 9°) in his 12th house, sextile Neptune at 8°36' and exactly inconjunct the Solar Eclipse point at 9° Leo and his Sun at 12°32'.
Now this aspect I like less