Will Trump become the first US Dictator?

david starling

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You are funny, every reply gets a question twisted to follow your playwriting.
You've already received a reply from all, but you insist.

No reply yet has answered the question, "would you support Trump's becoming President for life?" Yes, or no? That's the gist of the question.

Edit: Dirius answered it, Elena thanked it, so, good answer.
But, Dirius, what's meant by "doesn't really need to"?
 
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leomoon

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https://www.rollcall.com/2020/01/28/deficit-widens-economic-growth-slows-in-new-cbo-outlook/

January 28, 2020

The Congressional Budget Office projects higher deficits for this year and the coming decade, with a fiscal 2020 deficit of $1.015 trillion — $8 billion higher than the agency estimated last August.
The fiscal 2019 deficit was $984 billion, by comparison.
Over the next decade, the cumulative deficit outlined in the agency’s latest budget and economic outlook is estimated at $12.4 trillion, $160 billion more than the earlier projection.


Fact Check:
https://www.factcheck.org/2019/02/trump-disinformation-on-deficits/
 

david starling

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I've been around long enough to know, that in politics, the "pendulum swings". I remember Democrats thinking the Republican Party was done for after Goldwater's resounding defeat in 1964! Now Republicans are doing the same thing, based on a relatively narrow Trump victory in 2016, and a currently good economy, which can also swing. They sound like the Borg slogan, "Resistance is Futile", from Star Trek! :lol:
 
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david starling

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Donald Trump Jr. is actually CALLING anyone who opposes his father a member of "the Resistance"! There's also a current "purge" of anyone in the Administration who even slightly disagrees with Trump on ANYTHING!
 

Dirius

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https://www.rollcall.com/2020/01/28/deficit-widens-economic-growth-slows-in-new-cbo-outlook/

January 28, 2020

The Congressional Budget Office projects higher deficits for this year and the coming decade, with a fiscal 2020 deficit of $1.015 trillion — $8 billion higher than the agency estimated last August.
The fiscal 2019 deficit was $984 billion, by comparison.
Over the next decade, the cumulative deficit outlined in the agency’s latest budget and economic outlook is estimated at $12.4 trillion, $160 billion more than the earlier projection.


Fact Check:
https://www.factcheck.org/2019/02/trump-disinformation-on-deficits/

Yup seems about time to start slashing that budget.

Do your senators really need to be payed $200k a year? Bernie must be doing really well on that salary. How many houses does he own again? like 5 or 6? Must be nice to have that salary for about 40 years, at the taxpayers expense.

By the way, isn't Trump giving away his salary? Huh, interesting.
 
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david starling

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Yup seems about time to start slashing that budget.

Do your senators really need to be payed $200k a year? Bernie must be doing really well on that salary. How many houses does he own again? like 5 or 6? Must be nice to have that salary for about 40 years.


By the way, isn't Trump giving away his salary? Huh, interesting.

What's he need it for? He hasn't divested, and his own policies are supporting his private investments. He's living a lavish lifestyle on American tax-dollars. And, it's a smart propaganda move which really impresses his followers. J.F.K. was wealthy enough to refuse his salary, and Herbert Hoover accepted his salary but donated it to charity.
These days, $400,000 is pocket-change to a billionaire.
 

david starling

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Trump's passion is unquestionable authority and unequivocal adulation, with extreme wealth as a given. He's a narcissistic authoritarian, which fits the profile of a dictator.
 

Dirius

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What's he need it for? He hasn't divested, and his own policies are supporting his private investments. He's living a lavish lifestyle on American tax-dollars. And, it's a smart propaganda move which really impresses his followers. J.F.K. was wealthy enough to refuse his salary, and Herbert Hoover accepted his salary but donated it to charity.
These days, $400,000 is pocket-change to a billionaire.

Huh I see. So Trump, a capitalist by all means, is working for free without taking a salary from americans.

And on the other hand, the socialist bernie sanders, a known multi-millionare with 7 houses, is happy to take an impressive wage out of the taxpayer's pocket? Huh...

I mean shouldn't bernie, a socialist and "succesful" author, who has made money through his books, be able to at least refuse a part of his salary? Wouldn't like 50k a year suffice for socialist bernie? Or does socialist bernie need 200k ??
:surprised:
 

david starling

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Huh I see. So Trump, a capitalist by all means, is working for free without taking a salary from americans.

And on the other hand, the socialist bernie sanders, a known multi-millionare with 7 houses, is happy to take an impressive wage out of the taxpayer's pocket? Huh...

I mean shouldn't bernie, a socialist and "succesful" author, who has made money through his books, be able to at least refuse a part of his salary? Wouldn't like 50k a year suffice for socialist bernie? Or does socialist bernie need 200k ??
:surprised:

George Washington was wealthy enough to refuse his salary, but he was urged not to because it would set a precedent for making the less wealthy Presidents look bad for accepting theirs.

Bernie alone doesn't set the salaries, but I personally think the taxpayers should decide how much their representatives are paid, not the representatives themselves. However, consider how outrageously much executives and administrators are paid in the private sector, including those "golden parachutes" when they're fired! That comes out of the workers' salaries.
 

david starling

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Huh I see. So Trump, a capitalist by all means, is working for free without taking a salary from americans.

And on the other hand, the socialist bernie sanders, a known multi-millionare with 7 houses, is happy to take an impressive wage out of the taxpayer's pocket? Huh...

I mean shouldn't bernie, a socialist and "succesful" author, who has made money through his books, be able to at least refuse a part of his salary? Wouldn't like 50k a year suffice for socialist bernie? Or does socialist bernie need 200k ??
:surprised:

Like I said, it's effectively meaningless to someone with Trump's wealth, but a smart propaganda move that impresses his followers.

Btw, a "Democratic-socialist" IS a "Capitalist".
 
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Dirius

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George Washington was wealthy enough to refuse his salary, but he was urged not to because it would set a precedent for making the less wealthy Presidents look bad for accepting theirs.

Bernie alone doesn't set the salaries, but I personally think the taxpayers should decide how much their representatives are paid, not the representatives themselves. However, consider how outrageously much executives and administrators are paid in the private sector, including those "golden parachutes" when they're fired! That comes out of the workers' salaries.

But Bernie Sanders isn't a "less wealthy" individual, he is a multi-millionaire - like almost any other politician. He owns 7 houses, and he does make a lot in royalties per year through his best-seller books.

I mean even if he retired from the senate, without accounting for his pension, he would still be a member of the 1% through his book earnings (and possibly the investments in his money).

I don't think Washington's example would apply now days.
 

david starling

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But Bernie Sanders isn't a "less wealthy" individual, he is a multi-millionaire - like almost any other politician. He owns 7 houses, and he does make a lot in royalties per year through his best-seller books.

I mean even if he retired from the senate, without accounting for his pension, he would still be a member of the 1% through his book earnings (and possibly the investments in his money).

I don't think Washington's example would apply now days.

I wouldn't be against them all refusing a salary if they're already wealthy enough. Just so they remember who they're really working for.
 

Dirius

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I wouldn't be against them all refusing a salary if they're already wealthy enough. Just so they remember who they're really working for.

They work for themselves, thats why they are happy to take a salary despite being super wealthy and having other means of sustaining themselves.

The only one not taking money (and actually loosing money) because he is wealthy enough, is Trump.

Just look at bernie and his twitter feed. Trashing on "millionaries", until he became one, updating his speech to "billionaires". Whether you agree or disagree with Trump's policy, he is the only one doing it for what he thinks is best for his country. The rest are just there to engorge themselves.


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leomoon

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:bandit:
Like I said, it's effectively meaningless to someone with Trump's wealth, but a smart propaganda move that impresses his followers.

Btw, a "Democratic-socialist" IS a "Capitalist".




Remember he tried like hell to pull this one off (the property is up to its eyeballs in debt and doesn't take in much I read compared to his other Florida properties)......BUT, he didn't manage to pull it off this time!!!



https://www.politico.com/news/2019/10/21/trump-presidential-salary-053366



When asked about his initial decision to host next year's G-7 gathering of world leaders at one of his resorts and the perception of a conflict of interest, Trump dismissed claims of inappropriate behavior and touted his decision to forgo his salary.
 

leomoon

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I think Senator Sanders and his wife Jane, (schoolteacher professor at college in her career) purchased 3. One he said was in DC for the Senator's work, the other is their home in Vermont, and after he managed to get a windfall for writing a book in 2016? He used that money to buy them a Lakefront Vacation property.


Good for him, and her, They've worked their butts off for years. .... Nice to know he can relax watching the loons on the lake. :whistling:

I found the breakdown of income & his home values and when they were purchased here:
(even though its Fox, I don't think its an outright LIE this time).....
Here’s a look at what else is known about the senator’s income and assets.
Income as a senator

As a senator, Sanders makes $174,000 a year, according to the Congressional Research Service, which reported on Senate salaries last year.
Book royalties

Sanders made $880,091.14 in book royalties in 2017, according to the senator’s financial disclosure documents filed in May 2018.
Those royalties included a $505,000 advance on his book “Where We Go From Here,” which was published in 2018, Newsweek reported.


What I truly admire about this 77 year old Senator is not only his devotion to Equal Rights working with MLK in the 1960s, but also with others I admired then like Cesar Chavez who organized the lettuce pickers and started a union for them.

I believe Bernie can meet his maker in near future, with a big smile on his face and be proud of what he accomplished here on earth unlike one whose name I shall not mention, but whose initials start with DJT.

He believes in sharing the wealth of the nation, and I am very proud of Bernie, and hope he makes it to the pinnacle of his career. I wish the rest of the Dems would come join and celebrate this man.



https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ho...ake-his-money-a-look-at-his-wealth-and-assets






Unlike John McCain and his brewery heiress wife Cindy McCain who was born into wealth and privilege, and whose father owned the largest and very profitable Budweiser distributorship here in Phoenix, he said when asked, "you need to ask Cindy, I can't recall how many we have", i.e. "condos, vacations, etc" ....he was seriously baffled by it all. This was during his race with Barack Obama when he said this.



He died where he spent most of his personal recuperating time between operations, not in Phoenix where they live, but in Sedona, the beautiful Red Rock country just south of Flagstaff surrounded by these beautiful mountains he loved.
 
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Dirius

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I think Senator Sanders and his wife Jane, (schoolteacher professor at college in her career) purchased 3. One he said was in DC for the Senator's work, the other is their home in Vermont, and after he managed to get a windfall for writing a book in 2016? He used that money to buy them a Lakefront Vacation property.

Good for him, and her, They've worked their butts off for years. .... Nice to know he can relax watching the loons on the lake. :whistling:

I found the breakdown of income & his home values and when they were purchased here:
(even though its Fox, I don't think its an outright LIE this time).....
Here’s a look at what else is known about the senator’s income and assets.

He believes in sharing the wealth of the nation, and I am very proud of Bernie, and hope he makes it to the pinnacle of his career. I wish the rest of the Dems would come join and celebrate this man.

Oh I see... only 3 houses. Like every other normal hardworking individual doesn't he? I mean of course, he needs his two houses, that is normal for people who work for a living right? Then he needs his relaxation house. I see I see.

Its good his high salary, at the taxpayer's expense can afford him such a luxurious lifestyle so socialist bernie can relax on the weekends, courtesy of the hard working taxpayer.

Income as a senator

As a senator, Sanders makes $174,000 a year, according to the Congressional Research Service, which reported on Senate salaries last year.
Book royalties

Sanders made $880,091.14 in book royalties in 2017, according to the senator’s financial disclosure documents filed in May 2018.
Those royalties included a $505,000 advance on his book “Where We Go From Here,” which was published in 2018, Newsweek reported.

Oh only $174,000 a year. I see. So more or less 4 times the median income correct? And obviously much more than what the lowest tier of workers gain in a year correct?

I suppose this is what he means by "an economy that works for everybody", taxing citizens so he can earn at least 4 times what everyone else is making... and lets not forget the perks of travel expenses between those 3 houses being covered by the taxpayer either.

Its embarrasing that you are trying to justify this man's wealth leomoon.
 

david starling

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Oh I see... only 3 houses. Like every other normal hardworking individual doesn't he? I mean of course, he needs his two houses, that is normal for people who work for a living right? Then he needs his relaxation house. I see I see.

Its good his high salary, at the taxpayer's expense can afford him such a luxurious lifestyle so socialist bernie can relax on the weekends, courtesy of the hard working taxpayer.



Oh only $174,000 a year. I see. So more or less 4 times the median income correct? And obviously much more than what the lowest tier of workers gain in a year correct?

I suppose this is what he means by "an economy that works for everybody", taxing citizens so he can earn at least 4 times what everyone else is making... and lets not forget the perks of travel expenses between those 3 houses being covered by the taxpayer either.

Its embarrasing that you are trying to justify this man's wealth leomoon.

Yeah, but if he's for increasing taxes on the wealthiest, and he IS one, then he'll be taxing himself as well. Sounds fair enough.
 
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