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Unread 12-31-2013, 09:18 PM
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Lilith, dark side of woman? What about sharing the house with ceres?

Is lilith responsible with dark side of feminity? I have lilith retrograde in aquarius, in the first house. What means lilith conjunct saturn,(sat is in aquarius in 1st house) lilith sextile mars( mars in aries, intercepted in 2 and 3rd house) and lilith square mc ( mc scorpio 10th house.) in my natal chart? I read about the origin, about being the first wife of adam, but was interested in my chart, what does it mean? I also have ceres, the asteroid of nurturing?! in first house..if aquarius strive for liberty in sexuality, and ceres and nurtures people, isn't that an unbalance in the chart? Thank you very much& waiting for opinions^^

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Re: Lilith, dark side of woman? What about sharing the house with ceres?

hi

i take a more basic approach to lilth.the asteriod lilth may show the mytholgical aspects but the orbital lilth ,to me, is an aspect of deep emotional sensitivity.
the astronomical lilth is the focus of the orbit of the moonaround the sun. as the orbit is not ciricular but ellipical, there are in reality two lilths(not counting the asteriod) because a elliical orbit has two foci. one of these foci is outside of the sun but the other foci is actually within the sun itself.

hence lilth is your deepest emotional sensitivity. all other emotional response come from lilith,but lilith itself is below consciousness.
all aspects to lilth show where you are affected unconsciously.
the aspects of lilth are not conscious but affect you from your inside out.
with saturn conjunct lilth, you have underlying insecurities which may have no hysical reason to exist. but you also are wise beyond your years. this aspect tends to make you comfortable in the background, thuogh the entire chat must be considerd to see if this is valid or not.

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Re: Lilith, dark side of woman? What about sharing the house with ceres?

Hi, I have Lilith in the 1st as well. I started a thread long ago on Lilith in the 1st which I was trying to understand at the time as well. you can find it here :
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum...ad.php?t=55558

my favorite thread however is probably Lilith and her effect on appearance working through the 1st house.. it's really fascinating, have a read.

http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum...ith+appearance
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Re: Lilith, dark side of woman? What about sharing the house with ceres?

I do not believe that Lilith (dark moon Lilith-crescent on a cross symbolized Lilith) necessarily respresents the dark side of femininity-I believe it does, however, represent the dark side of HUMANKIND in general, regardless of male or female...
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Re: Lilith, dark side of woman? What about sharing the house with ceres?

many thanks!^^ I am fasciated by "her" and I have no clue why?? I'll read everything related to it
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Unread 01-01-2014, 09:24 AM
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Re: Lilith, dark side of woman? What about sharing the house with ceres?

Yes, but the dark side fascinates me now!!
In my opinion we must not hide, or fear her, but confront her..and even if in many things is good to be an"extremist" either hot or cold, when we talk about human nature is good to be ballanced..I don't like extremely positive people who deny their inner dark , nor I like the souls only captivated by dark and their drive through"hell" and you are right I just quickly associated her with feminity because felt so, thanks for replying
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Yes, but the dark side fascinates me now!!
In my opinion we must not hide, or fear her, but confront her..and even if in many things is good to be an"extremist" either hot or cold, when we talk about human nature is good to be ballanced..I don't like extremely positive people who deny their inner dark , nor I like the souls only captivated by dark and their drive through"hell" and you are right I just quickly associated her with feminity because felt so, thanks for replying
When you say you are facinated by Lilith, you have to tell us which one you are talking about:

1. Dark Moon Lilith
2. Black Moon Lilith
3. Asteroid Lilith
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Re: Lilith, dark side of woman? What about sharing the house with ceres?

Aren't them all intriguing?
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Re: Lilith, dark side of woman? What about sharing the house with ceres?

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When you say you are facinated by Lilith, you have to tell us which one you are talking about:

1. Dark Moon Lilith
2. Black Moon Lilith
3. Asteroid Lilith

Probably she is referring to "our" Lilith (crescent-on-cross symbol Lilith) which is the Lilith most commonly referenced in the literature.
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Re: Lilith, dark side of woman? What about sharing the house with ceres?

hi mermaidinthedark
you satrun/lilith conjuction is quite wide so i dont think your issue is with lilith per se but rather your venus/pluto opposition.

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Re: Lilith, dark side of woman? What about sharing the house with ceres?

If lilith represents only the dark side of women or human kind it would be safe to say that any significant aspect to a significant planet/angle would indicative of that person having those dark traits, but that's simply not the case. As with any planet, body, or point, only represents energy, not choices. Even with pluto being the ruler of death and the underworld isn't "negative" or "bad." I've had my share of pluto impacts in my life and it's only taught me love, in the end.

Look to your pluto/mercury/venus aspect, and your 8th house jupiter aspect if you're looking to understand sexual/deviant tendencies and thoughts better. Pluto oppose merc needs (and aries mars nearly in 3rd) a mental outlet and something to focus on to burn mental energy. If not that energy has a tendency to look for release through sexual outlets and distracts you from doing something constructive.
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Re: Lilith, dark side of woman? What about sharing the house with ceres?

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Yes, but the dark side fascinates me now!!
In my opinion we must not hide, or fear her, but confront her..and even if in many things is good to be an"extremist" either hot or cold, when we talk about human nature is good to be ballanced..I don't like extremely positive people who deny their inner dark , nor I like the souls only captivated by dark and their drive through"hell" and you are right I just quickly associated her with feminity because felt so, thanks for replying
my experience is that lilith confronts YOU... whether you avoid/deny or not.... the nature of lilith is out of control..

but i think there is a balance of how much you let lilith destroy you (and she will destroy....) by remaining aware of how your actions are effecting others.... all you can do is try...

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Re: Lilith, dark side of woman? What about sharing the house with ceres?

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If lilith represents only the dark side of women or human kind it would be safe to say that any significant aspect to a significant planet/angle would indicative of that person having those dark traits, but that's simply not the case. As with any planet, body, or point, only represents energy, not choices. Even with pluto being the ruler of death and the underworld isn't "negative" or "bad." I've had my share of pluto impacts in my life and it's only taught me love, in the end.

Look to your pluto/mercury/venus aspect, and your 8th house jupiter aspect if you're looking to understand sexual/deviant tendencies and thoughts better. Pluto oppose merc needs (and aries mars nearly in 3rd) a mental outlet and something to focus on to burn mental energy. If not that energy has a tendency to look for release through sexual outlets and distracts you from doing something constructive.
i agree that every symbol has a good and bad side.to condemn lilth as the evil is just a culture prejudice as modern culture is so overwhelmingly patriarchal and misogynist.
it goes along with the theology of placing the original sin on eve. it is totally a cultural prejudice.
how can the Bringer of Life be evil.... only when the patriarchy has usurped the control of society.
one lilith is infact part of the sun, the vital force of life, so it makes no sense to condemn lilith if the symbol moves against this represssion of spirit.

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Re: Lilith, dark side of woman? What about sharing the house with ceres?

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i agree that every symbol has a good and bad side.to condemn lilth as the evil is just a culture prejudice as modern culture is so overwhelmingly patriarchal and misogynist.
it goes along with the theology of placing the original sin on eve. it is totally a cultural prejudice.
how can the Bringer of Life be evil.... only when the patriarchy has usurped the control of society.
one lilith is infact part of the sun, the vital force of life, so it makes no sense to condemn lilith if the symbol moves against this represssion of spirit.

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right on! so well put.

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Unread 01-03-2014, 12:59 AM
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i agree that every symbol has a good and bad side.to condemn lilth as the evil is just a culture prejudice as modern culture is so overwhelmingly patriarchal and misogynist.
it goes along with the theology of placing the original sin on eve. it is totally a cultural prejudice.
how can the Bringer of Life be evil.... only when the patriarchy has usurped the control of society.
one lilith is infact part of the sun, the vital force of life, so it makes no sense to condemn lilith if the symbol moves against this represssion of spirit.

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Well lilith does seem to manifest in a variety of ways.

for instance accidentally parking in a handicap zone and get yourself towed but happen to have just met someone who offers to give you a ride.
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Wow, Thank you, Allen! I appreciate the usefulness of your comm, I;ll look into those aspects
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Re: Lilith, dark side of woman? What about sharing the house with ceres?

* rahu, It is better to post the description of lilith with biiig letters, on many sites, because the prejudiced society comes from the control of media, and the information, which can be entirely false or outdated. For example I can;t find books about lilith so when you read ..on 30 sites the same "dark description" what shall people do?
Maybe a blog with good lilith could come as a blast .
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Re: Lilith, dark side of woman? What about sharing the house with ceres?

Phoenix venus ( I like your name) Doesn;t Lilith have the effect of a pheonix on people? As people have been mentioning on this site, she is meant to construct. And when you construct, you have to destroy.
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Phoenix venus ( I like your name) Doesn;t Lilith have the effect of a pheonix on people? As people have been mentioning on this site, she is meant to construct. And when you construct, you have to destroy.


Hi Mermaidinthedark. thank you, i like your name too


though the phoenix is more commonly associated with scorpio/pluto, sure lilith can destroy too. i think it might be that lilith puts you in a vulnerable circumstance, (and in this way rahu's estimation of lilith being about emotional sensitivity makes sense) and you can either take that situation and allow it to destroy you, or turn it into something constructive. It's in this way that lilith becomes out of control and forces you to confront your own "dark side" or the yin/ not readily visible side... vulnerabilities brought about by your less than consious actions and resulting situations that you find yourself in...


for instance in the example i gave:

you were driving carelessly, and now lilith came and smacked you upside the head and in the process hemmed up your transportation... putting you in a vulnerable situation with a new set of opportunities... your new friend offers to give you a ride, do you reject it? accept it with a simple thanks? get your muddy feet all over their newly cleaned vehicle? pass the kindness on to someone else? Or maybe you could learn to drive sober and take more right turns so you don't have to be rescued like that again. And maybe make a new friend in the process.

At least, that's my take on it, so far.
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Thank you, phoenix venus I understand better now
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Re: Lilith, dark side of woman? What about sharing the house with ceres?

For me, Lilith is spot on loss of inhibitions. My Lilth is in Sagittarius and I've found I'm the most "free" when I am not at home. I don't view this is a bad thing, because I'm generally pretty buttoned up and in control of my actions when at home. I've always had a really good time while traveling because of this. Case in point, I met my boyfriend while traveling London a year ago. I slept with him on the first date. If we were in NY I would have never done such a thing and would have made him court me the good old fashioned way. That kind of behavior is definitely out of character for me.

One of my closest male friends has Lilth in Scorpio and it's really sort of fascinating that he is ALWAYS drawn to women with strong Scorpio in their charts and almost always a Scorpio Sun.
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Eversince I learned I have 2H Venus conj Lilith everything makes sense now as to why Iv had so many problems with commited r/ships as she trines my DSC.When my Prog Sun hit this conj nearly 5 yrs ago the proverbial s**t hit the fan.Secrets,lies,infidelity,illicit drug use,affairs,seduction,sex, a dgaf bwt anyone but my own selfish needs.. end up getting hurt then putting the perpetrator in prison or incarcerated in some way!!Whn in reality Im t blame in th first place for gettn involved.Anyway,she ultimately bought me t learn study and now practise astrology to better understand why I was behaving so badly.Her energy is powerful and destructive if not channeled properly & u remain unaware.Dawn Bodrogi (my tutor) has a course teaching regards "The Dark Goddess" but is now full this semesta.She is writing an e-book on the subject which I am looking fwd to very much.

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Re: Lilith, dark side of woman? What about sharing the house with ceres?

I am not sure whether we are talking about:

(a) the "Black Moon Lilith" which is the apogee of the orbit of the Moon (farthest point of the Moon from Earth), or

(b) the asteroid Lilith (asteroid 1181) or

(c) a hypothetical placement called Dark Moon Lilith which is a possible second satellite of the earth (not confirmed by modern astronomy), as first postulated by Waltemath.

With the Black Moon Lilith, the apogee of the Moon, I have found it is highlighted in the charts of powerful women. I haven't studied the asteroid Lilith or the Dark Moon Lilith at all. Maybe Zarathu can give us some input.

I have always wondered why there is so much emphasis on the apogee of the Moon (Black Moon Lilith) and not the perigee of the Moon, as the perigee (called Selena by astrologers) is the closest point of the Moon to the Earth.

I have no problem using the apogee and perigee of the Moon in astrology as we regularly use the Moon's Nodes which is the point where the Moon crosses the ecliptic.

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I have Lilith in the 8th, so my dark side is literally on the dark side, 8th being house of secrets, taboo, sex, other people's money, etc. Fitting.
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