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Unread 12-03-2019, 06:23 AM
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Does the Sun turn southwards at the first degree of Cancer and northwards at the first degree of Capricorn? There are a lot of natural reasons for the division of the seasons into three.

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https://www.astrologyweekly.com/foru...d.php?t=130820
The tropical Signs are measured intervals. Why not divide a seasonal quadrant in half, instead of thirds? Naturalistic=convenient, not necessarily astrologically correct.
The sidereal, equal Signs, are superimposed on the unequal-length constellations. In fact, the constellations themselves aren't used in their entirety to locate the boundaries. For example, many Modernistic, Western astrologers are using just one star from one constellation, pictured as a bull, to locate all the Sign-boundaries.


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The tropical Signs are measured intervals. Why not divide a seasonal quadrant in half, instead of thirds?
Twelve months? Four triangles, elements and winds? Observable differences of beginning, middle and end?
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Twelve months? Four triangles, elements and winds?
Convenient, but not necessarily astrologically correct. We choose them, they're not emblazoned in the sky. That includes all the sidereal Sign-boundaries as well.

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Convenient, but not necessarily astrologically correct. We choose them, they're not emblazoned in the sky. That includes all the sidereal Sign-boundaries as well.
Yes, it is emblazoned. That is exactly why everyone uses one tropical zodiac, while there are at least a dozen sidereal ones.
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Yes, it is emblazoned. That is exactly why everyone uses one tropical zodiac, while there are at least a dozen sidereal ones.
I meant that you can't see them, even with a telescope. They have to be calculated relative to the Sun's transit.
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I meant that you can't see them, even with a telescope. They have to be calculated relative to the Sun's transit.
If you think about it more deeply, the ecliptic is the best tool to use to measure the seasonal effects of the planets, because although the Moon is at the Ascendant sometimes hours before or after moonrise, the hours it spends above the earth or below the earth is related to its zodiacal degree, so that it really isn't just based on the Sun, but rather on the seasons of the planets, which they all experience. Parans and in mundo charts are not the way to go in astrology, the ecliptic is.

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If you think about it more deeply, the ecliptic is the best tool to use to measure the seasonal effects of the planets, because although the Moon is at the Ascendant sometimes hours before or after moonrise, the hours it spends above the earth or below the earth is related to its zodiacal degree, so that it really isn't just based on the Sun, but rather on the seasons of the planets, which they all experience. Parans and in mundo charts are not the way to go in astrology, the ecliptic is.
I totally agree!
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Each planet has its own Ecliptic. This one is the Earth's, as seen from the Earth.
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The tropical Signs are measured intervals. Why not divide a seasonal quadrant in half, instead of thirds?
This remind me of astrologers saying that there should be twelve houses only because of the whole sign system, the whole argument for which is ridiculous, because then you can just ask them your question in the same way.

I stand by the opinion that there should be exactly three divisions of the angles and the seasons, beginning, middle and end, and that effects are perceptibly real only with these divisions, not because there is no blending or change at every second, but because of predomination of particular powers and qualities.

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I read one opinion I agree with, can't remember who's, unfortunately, that all the energy of astrology is concentrated in the Ecliptic.
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This remind me of astrologers saying that there should be twelve houses only because of the whole sign system, the whole argument of which is ridiculous, because then you can just ask them your question in the same way.

I stand by the opinion that there should be exactly three divisions of the angles and the seasons, beginning, middle and end, and that effects are perceptibly real only with these divisions.
Since I use that configuration myself, I share that perception. However, I can't discount the perception of siderealists that there's an alternative angle of view.
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Peto, your impressive clarity of thought helps me focus my own, even though I don't share your either/or philosophy.
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I've been absent, but very nice to see so many elaborate discussions developing throughout the forum. Good to see some older names reentering the space, too. And in such a forceful manner.

You asked me about the origin of "the storm", David. I don't have an answer to that. I'd imagine that you would say that the gloominess and general malaise is as a result of the tropical age of Capricorn, and with Saturn, Pluto and now Jupiter in the sign that energy signature would be augmented. While I see the validity in that viewpoint, since I don't subscribe to an astrological cosmology (cosmology in the sense of the universe in its totality) I couldn't say that the origin lies in the astrological ages. Some Hindus believe that we're in a Kali Yuga, and perhaps that might be having its affects. But even if I subscribed to a Hindu or Buddhist cosmology, would I say that the Yugas or Kalpas were the "origin" of "the storm"? Or merely markers in time for something that has its origins outside of time?

On the ground, I do know of a good amount of people who have an intuitive sense of the heaviness of this particular period in time. There has been a bunch of suicides and admissions of hopelessness within a close enough proximity to me. A lot aren't coping.
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I've been absent, but very nice to see so many elaborate discussions developing throughout the forum. Good to see some older names reentering the space, too. And in such a forceful manner.

You asked me about the origin of "the storm", David. I don't have an answer to that. I'd imagine that you would say that the gloominess and general malaise is as a result of the tropical age of Capricorn, and with Saturn, Pluto and now Jupiter in the sign that energy signature would be augmented. While I see the validity in that viewpoint, since I don't subscribe to an astrological cosmology (cosmology in the sense of the universe in its totality) I couldn't say that the origin lies in the astrological ages. Some Hindus believe that we're in a Kali Yuga, and perhaps that might be having its affects. But even if I subscribed to a Hindu or Buddhist cosmology, would I say that the Yugas or Kalpas were the "origin" of "the storm"? Or merely markers in time for something that has its origins outside of time?

On the ground, I do know of a good amount of people who have an intuitive sense of the heaviness of this particular period in time. There has been a bunch of suicides and admissions of hopelessness within a close enough proximity to me. A lot aren't coping.
Life expectancy is down in the U.S. due to so many suicides and drug overdoses, mostly among younger people.
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Jupiter to the rescue? It just ingressed Capricorn, armed and ready for battle. About a year from now, Jupiter will catch up with Saturn, just as it ingresses Aquarius.

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Do you see Jupiter in Capricorn as a positive transit?
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Do you see Jupiter in Capricorn as a positive transit?
Partially. A moderate balance between positive and negative. Should lead to some mood-improvement.
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Partially. A moderate balance between positive and negative. Should lead to some mood-improvement.
Saying that, what would you say was the effect of Jupiter in Sagittarius?
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Already mentioned it somewhere, that in addition to the theory that Signs but not rulerships blend at the cusps, as one Sign transitions into the next, there's the Orb theory. That's where the designated Orb of a Sign-ruler extends past the boundaries and activates the adjacent Sign. So, regarding how close the tropical Age Window, or, more graphically appealing, the Age Trident, is to reaching Aquarius, Aquarian qualities are already in effect during this tropical Age of Capricorn. Unfortunately, Saturn, as the Age-sign ruler, has control of them. For me, this explains a lot, especially the misuse of high technology to enslave rather than liberate.
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Saying that, what would you say was the effect of Jupiter in Sagittarius?
Uplifting, but somewhat muted. It couldn't overcome the depressing drama going on in the Age Window.
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For a few days I suffered from a period of unknown depression. I couldn't bring myself to continue with the thesis. Whenever I opened the document something just stopped me right in the middle and before I knew it I found myself doing anything else other than working. And just this morning I finally found out why I was unable to work. It was because the particular convo I was analyzing was invalid, the entire convo was just two people rambling and not based on any solid context. I substituted it with another convo and I suddenly found the energy to continue.


I checked the transit, and the scary part was that my burst of energy coincided with Jupiter moving to Capricorn. Jupiter is in its fall in Cap, but I don't seem to feel that much bogged down. If anything, I think Cap Jupiter wants me to find more practical solution to problems.
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Uplifting, but somewhat muted. It couldn't overcome the depressing drama going on in the Age Window.
Do you have any theory why?
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We're living through the transition out of the tropical Age of Capricorn under Saturnian rulership, and into the tropical Age of Aquarius under Uranian. Saturn will face a huge loss of power and authority once the Age-indicator finally ingresses Aquarius, so it's doing what damage it can do while it still can. It's Domicled now, and in a very strong position. It's casting a pall of doom and gloom over the entire transiting configuration.
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As for the retrograde transition from the sidereal Age of Pisces into Aquarius, it really is a reverse situation. Neptune will gladly welcome Uranian rulership behind the wheel, and go to sleep on the back seat.
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