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Unread 11-23-2019, 01:53 AM
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Mars in Scorpio. Violence has risen in the country, with many areas having deployed army personnel in order to curtail crime. I have it on good authority that a couple folks and their associates are about to escalate things for the holiday season. Someone I know has gone to 7 funerals in the past 3 weeks. Many many places are on edge. You can feel it in the air.

Jupiter's near sojourn to Capricorn doesn't do much in the alleviation department. Most are in business mode, through necessity. Some can barely afford a present for their kids, much less convincingly put on a festive mood. The music scene is also uncharacteristically barren. It's going to be a dry Christmas for many, and unfortunately for others, a wet one.

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Mars in Scorpio. Violence has risen in the country, with many areas having deployed army personnel in order to curtail crime. I have it on good authority that a couple folks and their associates are about to escalate things for the holiday season. Someone I know has gone to 7 funerals in the past 3 weeks. Many many places are on edge. You can feel it in the air.

Jupiter's near sojourn to Capricorn doesn't do much in the alleviation department. Most are in business mode, through necessity. Some can barely afford a present for their kids, much less convincingly put on a festive mood. The music scene is also uncharacteristically barren. It's going to be a dry Christmas for many, and unfortunately for others, a wet one.
I see Mars as Exalted in Scorpio. Exalted placements are good if one can handle the excessive influence, and bad if one can't. This Mars placement works as an energy-boost for me. Doesn't seem to be causing traffic accidents in my area, which was the case with Mars in Capricorn.
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On a personal level will is galvanised, but sympathy is less. Energy and commitment are encouraged -- my stamina has not failed me which is good because it's needed for what I have navigating.
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We have this political stuff interfering with holiday cheer. I'm not really emotionally engaged with it, but people around me are. So, I try not to get involved in conversations about it. One of my brothers is a gung ho Trump supporter, including all the talking points. I once criticized the environmental policies, and he couldn't tolerate ANY criticism of the current administration. Others are totally depressed about Trump, to the extent that it's actually affecting their physical and mental health.
Had some fun with the Trump UFO thread though.

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On a personal level will is galvanised, but sympathy is less. Energy and commitment are encouraged -- my stamina has not failed me which is good because it's needed for what I have navigating.
Sounds like you're in-it-to-win-it.
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Wish Gem was here, she could share insight on Sagittarius season in a nominally atheist country.
Santa Claus has Jupiterian qualities. More Jove-like than Zeusian.
Nine reindeer (including Rudolph), apropo Sagittarius as Sign #9; and, Donner(thunder) + Blitzen(lightening) = Jupiter's well-known attributes.
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On a personal level will is galvanised, but sympathy is less. Energy and commitment are encouraged -- my stamina has not failed me which is good because it's needed for what I have navigating.
Overlapping full back with the jet in his feet.
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Santa Claus has Jupiterian qualities. More Jove-like than Zeusian.
Nine reindeer (including Rudolph), apropo Sagittarius as Sign #9; and, Donner(thunder) + Blitzen(lightening) = Jupiter's well-known attributes.
Ds, with the acquisition of Westbeast for the houston, does it make them favorite for the championship?
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Sounds like you're in-it-to-win-it.
Well, it's about your reaction to the difficulty innit? My more resilient handling of things is helpful and comforting to the people closest to me, so that's a good outcome of being able to ride through the storm.
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Well, it's about your reaction to the difficulty innit? My more resilient handling of things is helpful and comforting to the people closest to me, so that's a good outcome of being able to ride through the storm.
What, in your opinion, is the source of the storm?
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Here's something I already mentioned on the Voyage thread--the tropical Age-indicator is subject to nutation, which causes there to be an erratic discrepancy of a possible +/- two degrees between its True position each year, and its constantly Direct-motion, Mean (median) position in a tropical Chart. In 2020, the True location will be 29 degrees 26 minutes Capricorn, two degrees ahead of the Mean, which is currently at 27 degrees 46 minutes. This year, 2019, the True location is 28 degrees 02 minutes tropical Capricorn.
So, these last remaining 2+ degrees of the tropical Age of Capricorn are crucial to our shared, mundane reality, as individuals. With the Age Window now containing nearly all of Capricorn, it will showcase the Saturn/Pluto conjunction on January 12th, at 22 degrees Cap, a reality-altering event for both individuals and society in general.
In 2028, the True Perihelion will be at 29 degrees 42 minutes of tropical Capricorn. Getting closer to Aqua every year! With Sign-blending, nearly half and half /, but Saturn is still the tropical Age-lord. won't ascend the throne until the Age-indicator reaches 0 degrees Aquarius. Then, Queen for a year, True placement.

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Venus conjunct Jupiter ongoing.
Mars/Moon/Mercury stellium in tropical Scorpio, within 8 degree Orb; Moon leaving Mars, approaching Merc.
Mars in exact opp. to .

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Here's something I already mentioned on the Voyage thread--the tropical Age-indicator is subject to nutation, which causes there to be an erratic discrepancy of a possible +/- two degrees between its True position each year, and its constantly Direct-motion, Mean (median) position in a tropical Chart. In 2020, the True location will be 29 degrees 26 minutes Capricorn, two degrees ahead of the Mean, which is currently at 27 degrees 46 minutes. This year, 2019, the True location is 28 degrees 02 minutes tropical Capricorn.
So, these last remaining 2+ degrees of the tropical Age of Capricorn are crucial to our shared, mundane reality, as individuals. With the Age Window now containing nearly all of Capricorn, it will showcase the Saturn/Pluto conjunction on January 12th, at 22 degrees Cap, a reality-altering event for both individuals and society in general.
In 2028, the True Perihelion will be at 29 degrees 42 minutes of tropical Capricorn. Getting closer to Aqua every year! With Sign-blending, nearly half and half /, but Saturn is still the tropical Age-lord. won't ascend the throne until the Age-indicator reaches 0 degrees Aquarius. Then, Queen for a year, True placement.
What year does the Age indicator reach 0 Aquarius?
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What year does the Age indicator reach 0 Aquarius?
For the tropical Age, I have to run a natal for every year, starting with 2033, which is when the Mean reaches 28 degrees Capricorn, within range of the +/- 2 degree nutation caused by the Moon orbiting the Earth. I jumped all the way to 2047, when the True setting is at 0 degree 2 minutes Aquarius. I'll keep running them to see if there's an earlier date for the 00 mark.
There's no apparent pattern regarding the amount of +/- nutation. As for the Mean position of the Age-indicator, it reaches Aquarius in 2149, with a steady 1+ minute of arc, Direct-motion transit through the tropical zodiac.
Given my firm restriction about Sign-blending not including Rulership-blending, I can't claim that Uranian authority is already in effect, in competition with Saturnian authority. So, we have a situation where it's now an Age of Capricorn with a lot of Aquarian qualities mixed with Capricorn, and Saturn is twisting the Aquarian to its own ends.

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What year does the Age indicator reach 0 Aquarius?
If you include the sidereal Aquarian Age, you COULD simply adjust the sidereal zodiac to give an Aquarian Age already in progress. It just doesn't jibe with the sidereal zodiac settings of nearly all of the actual sidereal astrologers, who have it set in a way that moves the start of the sidereal Aquarian Age into the 24th Century.
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Since Saturn is "in its Fall", in Aquarius, using the 12/12 pattern, I came up with Saturn as "Foreign-ruler" of Aquarius. Basically, a hostile takeover, but one requiring great effort by Saturn, to quell the Aquarian rebellion. That's our current situation. The closer to the boundary between Cap and Aqua, the greater the resistance to Saturnian-style governance.
Even the Mean position of the tropical Age-window is approaching a 2033, 28 degree mark. An "Age-generation" is 58.1 years, with the 27th degree Age-generation beginning in 1975. Since the Perihelion is occurring in January 3-5 each year, that includes nearly all Natal-charts for the year.

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i forget how large is a Window vs an Indicator?

A couple of diagrams would be great!

Do you collect these explanatory posts somewhere?

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i forget how large is a Window vs an Indicator?

A couple of diagrams would be great!

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Yes, I'm supposed to be sticking to the Voyage of Discovery thread in Other Astrology.
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If it's all right, I'll answer questions about the Ages that anyone posts on this thead, on the Voyages thread. That will keep them all together. With those walls of text, it helps to home in on one particular point or another.This thread is more spontaneous, so it is a good place to ask the questions.
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My country's "religious" belief, if you can call it religious, is more in line with Pisces that with Sag. Interestingly enough, we have a period of massive spiritual festivals that occurs mostly in February - March, the Pisces season. There is virtually nothing during Sag season. Does that answer your question?


I'm interested in how the US experiences Sag season too. Thanksgiving is around Sag season, and as far as I know there is no real religious meaning behind it. And the most religious holiday is in Cap season.
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My country's "religious" belief, if you can call it religious, is more in line with Pisces that with Sag. Interestingly enough, we have a period of massive spiritual festivals that occurs mostly in February - March, the Pisces season. There is virtually nothing during Sag season. Does that answer your question?


I'm interested in how the US experiences Sag season too. Thanksgiving is around Sag season, and as far as I know there is no real religious meaning behind it. And the most religious holiday is in Cap season.
Sagittarian spirit comes out more in the lead-up to the actual holiday - that is the time of holiday parties and effortful shopping for / making gifts and foods. The bulk of the effort falls to women it seems to me, which is interesting because Jupiter is stereotypically very masculine. It also feels very closely tied up with capitalism. The Christmas holiday itself falling during Capricorn is more about time with family, actually cancerian values anchored around a dinner table. It is interesting though. I didn’t find many wintry holidays in Hinduism when I looked, and Judaism and Islam were both on a lunar calendar. In theory Christianity gets its solar calendar from the Romans.
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In 4 1/2 hours, the Moon and Sun will be Conjunct at 4 degrees tropical Sagittarius.
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Moon's conjunct Saturn, heading for Pluto, all in tropical Capricorn.
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Introduction to Hellenistic Astrology Part I - Zodiac

The zodiac completes a sidereal cycle in 23.93446 hours.



The image of the Archer is masculine, diurnal, double-bodied, terrestrial, human,
quadrupedal, royal, eloquent, infertile, enigmatic, incomplete,
with many limbs, running and of the north wind.
It indicates governorship, action, fights, gifts and disputes.

Depending on the placement of the houseruler,
men born under the influence of Sagittarius are large, robust, well-proportioned and graceful,
notable, ambitious, generous, versatile, changeable, prominent, mysterious
because the Archer is unintelligible, gifted, crafty, with bald forehead, round small eyes,
intentional, long-bearded, athletic, bragging, reddish, kingly,
judges, just, loving their brothers and their friends,
superior over their enemies, losing much of their possessions,
gaining them back over the course of time.
The front is weaker, but the back is robust.
Domicile of Jupiter, it controls the thighs, the reproductive system,

the digestive system and the integumentary system.
It causes blindness on account of the arrow.
It is tropical, like-ascending with Taurus and like-engirding with Pisces,
and medium in both Hemispheres.
It is wintry, cold and moist for the north, and summery, hot and dry for the south.
Sagittarius obeys Gemini for the north and commands it for the south.
Sagittarius controls Tyrrhenia, Celtica, Spain, Arabia Felix, Elymais and Iberia.
The arrow, the bow and the grip are rising up to the 12th degree,
the head up to the 17th, the back up to the 21st,
the cloak up to the 26th, and the tail up to the 30th.

The first 12° belong to Jupiter - powers, leaders, lords of life and death, undaunted, kingly
The next 5° belong to Venus - flow, distress, passionate
The next 4° belong to Mercury - notable, fond of frivolous conversation, well-grown
The next 5° belong to Saturn - high spirits
The final 4° belong to Mars - travel, dangers, lawsuits

Arrow Point - Mars and the Moon
Bow and Grip - Jupiter and Mars
Forehead - Mars and the Sun
Cloak and Back - Jupiter and moderately Mercury
Feet - Jupiter and Saturn
Tail - Venus and moderately Saturn



Such, then, are the observations of the effects of the stars
as made by our predecessors.

Bibliography:
Ludwich, A. (Ed.). (1877). Maximi et Ammonis carminum De actionum auspiciis reliquiae:
accedunt Anecdota astrologica. BG Teubneri.
Retrieved from https://archive.org/details/maximiet...00ludw/page/n3
Manilius, & Goold, G. P. (1985). Astronomica. BG Teubner.
Robbins, F. E. (1940). Ptolemy: Tetrabiblos.
William Heinmann, London.
Retrieved from http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/...blos/home.html
Schmidt, R. The Astrological Record of the Early Greek Sages.
Project Hindsight.
Valens, V. Anthologia. Translated by Mark Riley.
Retrieved from https://www.csus.edu/indiv/r/rileymt...s%20entire.pdf
Assuming local skies are clear
then
by visual observation at night
and using ALDEBARAN 15
MOON TODAY is visibly observed in local skies worldwide
in CONSTELLATION of SAGITTARIUS




SAGITTARIUS is the domicile aka home of PHAETHON


MOON IS TRAVELLING SECOND DECAN

SIDEREAL SAGITTARIUS




assembled with SIDEREAL SAGITTARIUS VENUS JUPITER SATURN assembly


hexagon SIDEREAL LIBRA MERCURY MARS assembly




FOR VIDEO ANIMATION OF TROPICAL & SIDEREAL PERSPECTIVE
WITH DESCRIPTIVE NARRATIVE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82p-DYgGFjI



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1. The gods send signs to all nations, but they are not interpret the same for the different lands,
for one they signify hot weather, for another they signify cold weather,
and for third they signify temperate weather.

2. In the same way, the like-principles of rising times and daylight
become less discernible and causative in the equatorial zones.

3. Therefore another celestial influence is causative for nativities,
rather than the terrestrial effect of weather.
Otherwise, there would be no domicile, no exaltation
and no depression for the equatorial lands.

4. The rationale of the sidereal zodiac is compatible with this hypothesis,
the rationale of the tropical zodiac is not.


MOON travels each SIGN once a month aka "moonth"
and
IS NOT ALWAYS IN SAME SIGN BOTH TROPICALLY AND SIDEREALLY
because
although Astrologers
– whether Tropical or Sidereal
– are commenting on and making predictions
regarding THE IDENTICAL MOON in the skies
computer generated Tropical Chart differs by DEGREE OCCUPIED BY THE MOON
from Sidereal DEGREE OCCUPIED BY MOON
Sidereal location of Moon may be confirmed BY VISUAL observation of local skies

there is a minimum difference of 20° up to a maximum of approximately 24°
between TROPICAL AND SIDEREAL MEASUREMENT
ANY planet at 0° OF any TROPICAL SIGN
is SIDEREALLY between approximately 6° - 10°
to a maximum 24° of the PREVIOUS SIGN
dependent on the ayanamsha
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