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Unread 01-12-2020, 03:17 PM
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Sociopaths and Pluto transits

What are you thoughts on someone who has a personality disorder, as in the title, having Pluto trine Jupiter (as a transit: in the birth chart, Pluto squares Jupiter), BUT also transiting Pluto now (1/12/2020) conjunct Ascendent, opposition to Uranus, square to Neptune, Square to Venus and just completed square to Saturn and the Moon? (Natal chart has Saturn conducting moon, squaring ascendant, conjuncting Venus, squaring Uranus, conjunct Neptune), while
Pluto/Jupiter trine (both natal and transit) is known as "the Hand Of God is Stretched Out Over You," protecting the individual from the worst. But, does that hold if there is an abuse of the transit.
However, if said individual has what is called anti-social personality disorder (DSM IV in psychology manuals) and uses the transit to manipulate others, how would you think that would work? Pluto Moon ended December 2019, as did Pluto/Saturn (and I think the consequence was that I realized my friend was sociopathic (yes, I'm trained to spot that) and backed off - on the very last day of the Pluto/Saturn transit (although he'd misrepresented his time of birth and I had to reconstruct the chart months later when I realized something didn't feel right).
The drummer from the rock group Rush, Neil Peart, just died of glioblastoma, which he'd had 3 years, (clearly starting during the Pluto/Saturn transit)He was born 9/12/1952. My former friend? Born 9/20/1952. But the friend is also having Neptune opposing Mars and coming up on Neptune opposing Mercury soon.
Can misuse of Pluto energy result in disaster, in your experience - even getting a trine?

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Unread 01-12-2020, 04:35 PM
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Re: Sociopaths and Pluto transits

Misuse of Pluto energy always results in disaster. The question is whether it's disaster for the individual misusing Pluto energy, or for others.

Case in point: Hitler had Pluto squaring his sun throughout World War II.

If the chart as a whole is highly protective of the native, they get away with a lot, especially if they have favorable transits as well. But when those favorable transits stop being so favorable, then there's more room for consequences.

The consequences can be major, but minor ones, like you realizing your friend was a sociopath, are much more common.

It also depends on what the native was doing. If your friend had been an evil dictator ordering the mass murder of millions, instead of just being a petty manipulator to the people around him, the ultimate consequence might be that he got ousted, assassinated, or, like Hitler, killed himself in despair. Seeing through his manipulation and refusing to take it is a proportional consequence for a manipulator. Even more so would be if everyone around him saw through him and wouldn't support him anymore.
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Unread 01-14-2020, 01:25 AM
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Re: Sociopaths and Pluto transits

I did find it interesting that Neil Pearth, of the rock group, Rush, is 7 days older (same year, of course) than my former friend. I found it equally interesting that I even came across his death notice; it wouldn't normally be something I'd be aware of, but something told me to look at his birthdate, which, as soon as I saw it, astounded me. And with my friend having liver problems (Jupiter) , and being HIV positive, and despite my quite sudden - and, for him, shocking - departure - I couldn't help but worry about his health, with him having Uranus in the 6th natally, Pluto now transiting the 12th.
But thank you for the courtesy of a reply.
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