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Also I think this period allows you to move into your true self. Away from the realm of emotions, illusion, dreams, etc. into YOU...we came here and experienced the tumultuous reality of separation and ego. Maybe not everyone will come to this conclusion, but I believe a lot will because a lot of these people are here just to move things on to the next level.

Absolutely. The Pluto in Scorpio Generation is being called up! The Pluto in Scorpio generation is built for this ride.

That said, suicides, mass shooters, rape gangs, bullies, violence. authoritarianism, isolation, depression, anti-depression mixed with other weird drugs, another wave of speed/meth/Adderall, secret governments, spies - also all very Scorpionic.

But consider what you-all have done already! Beyond pulling off major revolutions in the Middle East and months of anti-rape, women's liberation riots in India, and so much more, globally speaking - here in the USA, the Pluto in Scorpio generation has swung elections and brought down the Music Industry, which has always been a Mafia. You don't watch TV, or not very much compared to those before you. Most people in their 20s and 30s get their TV News from Comedy Central!

Very cool. And you are just getting started.

What else? You tell me.


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Also what does it mean that you-all have Uranus/Neptune conjunct in Capricorn?

What does it mean for those born with Saturn in there too? Remember that Saturn is very happy and powerful in Capricorn, and Pluto is VERY powerful in Scorpio.

What does it mean that Pluto in the sky is transiting, your Uranus/Neptune, and for some of you Saturns? What does this mean for the planet, and individually?
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Yes, the world isn't done changing yet. Soon we will see population changes, including a lot of deaths, and the whole fabric is going to begin to change. What generations did in the past will no longer be desired or searched after. Old age will be different. It will be good if this reality bothers you.
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Again, any astrologer looking at the Pluto in Scorpio generation is going to say:

"Wow, look at that! Uranus/Neptune conjunction in Capricorn, with Saturn in there too for folks born in the years around 1989!"

What is the WOW?

Now put the T Pluto and T Uranus Square on top of it.

It is OK to talk about this! It is important that you understand this important thang. I dunna have this aspect, you-all do. Give each other some help here.

What does this mean? What is the down side? What is the UP side?
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This thread is great!

For me Neptune in Capricorn makes spirituality a very practical part of life. This, to me, is an axiom.

An axiom, or postulate, is a premise or starting point of reasoning. As classically conceived, an axiom is a premise so evident as to be accepted as true without controversy.[1] The word comes from the Greek ἀξίωμα 'that which is thought worthy or fit,' or 'that which commends itself as evident.'[2][3] As used in modern logic, an axiom is simply a premise or starting point for reasoning.[4] Axioms define and delimit the realm of analysis; the relative truth of an axiom is taken for granted within the particular domain of analysis, and serves as a starting point for deducing and inferring other relative truths

In fact, I perceive spiritual development not as an option, but as a personal necessity which greatly impacts not only my survival, but the survival of the human race as a whole.

At times this poses a social conflict, as the general perception of spirituality seems to be that it is impractical and otherworldly. I've found that, through trial and error, discussing spirituality with people who do not share this axiom of the practical value of spirituality is likely to go nowhere, whether or not the people are conservative christians, athiests, or members of a buddhist monastery. In many cases there is a strange communication gap. The other person thinks you are speaking in abstractions when you are reporting experience or observation. Over time I've learned to be very selective about whom I talk about spiritual matters with and how I present the information.

This perception of spirituality, though very rewarding distances me from the general population and even self-proportedly spiritual people. I personally feel that having a placement of Neptune in Capricorn affords me the opportunity to ground my neptune and face any illusions it bears with a sense of honesty that allows me to correct out-of-balance neptunian energies. This is helpful for realistic self-examination.

In regards to Pluto in Scorpio: In 1987 Pluto in Scorpio was opposing Sedna in Taurus. I am not sure as to how long this opposition lasted. Although, it is rather fascinating that our most recently discovered outermost planet was opposing the formerly known outermost planet at that point in time. In astronomical terms, this probably doesn't happen very often. I personally think that sedna relates to the times, the "ages", and flavors a given period of history as it transits through a sign and makes contact with other planets. But what on earth would Pluto opposite Sedna signify?
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Thank you Lenzites betulina! You are totally brilliant. Sincere praise, not flattery one bit.

I perceive spiritual development not as an option, but as a personal necessity which greatly impacts not only my survival, but the survival of the human race as a whole.
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Basics:

If anyone says to you: "I don't believe in astrology!"

Always answer, "You must be a Capricorn!"

If you are wrong (or rather, if the Sun isn't Craaapy, but Saturn is on the ASC, or the person has a Craaapy stellium...), if the person does not have a Capricorn Sun, then who cares if you guess wrong? They don't believe in astrology anyway.

BUT, many many many times I have been right! There are few pleasures on earth greater, for an Aquairus, I assert, than guessing a Capricorn's Sun Sign, after they tell you they don't BELIEVE in astrology.

Of course, they don't believe in anything, they are very facts based. They suspect "beliefs" and they are right too. Because of Saturn rulership, Capricorns and Aquarians both question "beliefs" and "believing" on prinicple. Difference is that Craapycorns are NOT visionaries.

UNLESS Uranus/Neptune is conjunct in Capricorn. Suddenly we have extremely visionary, empathic, psychic, tapped into the universal unconscious Capricorns! And they "must" manifest their psychic awareness structurally, or concretely. Capricorn energy leaves something behind when they go. Add Saturn into the mix, and they must find practicel ways to manifest their vision even more so. It is their Saturn work and, in Capricorn, they are really effective!

T Pluto Square T Uranus and so forth on top of this stellium, and I expect you-all are experiencing an increase in psychic abilites not a decrease. How is that for understatement?
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Re: Cap. Saturn, Uranus, Neptune Generation

Lenzites Betulina.. Very well spoken. I feel the same
necessities of development within in my own Spirituality. As for the chasm such developments can create between ourselves and others, you are not alone. Perhaps in part it is that lone wolf complex that Capricorns can be so characteristic of.
To correct a previous post, it is also possible to be born in 1986 and be a member of the Neptune Capricorn generation. ;-) I feel in general its lessons seek to dispel the excess of 'smoke and mirrors' that Spirituality often generates.. To find a grounded, wholistic understanding of these elusive and esoteric aspects of life. Such a grounding is rather challenging.. but as with the sign of Capricorn, it is those that continue to strive and meet such challenges that we receive our Spiritual rewards.
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Lenzites Betulina,

I feel these winners of the Best Interpretations of the Uranus/Neptune Conjunction Contest are indeed rather fluffy! I now conceed that you were right about that fluffy thing, about some people desiring and providing fluffy astrology.

http://skywriter.wordpress.com/2011/...ntest-results/

In HD contrast I hope everyone reading this thread attempts to read Richard Tarnas on the Uranus/Neptune Conjunction!

His very first sentence is:

"The Uranus-Neptune combination is associated, both in history and in personal biographies, with periods in which the archetypal--the mythic, the spiritual, the transcendent, the imaginal, the numinous--is suddenly awakened and liberated in new ways into human consciousness."

http://www.gaiamind.org/Conjunct.html
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Can someone figure out and share how often anyone ends up with T Saturn conjunct N Pluto AND T Pluto conjunct N Saturn? When was the last time that happened?
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Am art of this generation too.

Moon in Capricorn
Mercury in Capricorn
Venus in Capricorn
Saturn in Capricorn
Uranus in Capricorn
Neptune in Capricorn
Pluto in Scorpio
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Yes. Led. This thread is about you, for sure.
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Lenzites Betulina.. Very well spoken. I feel the same
necessities of development within in my own Spirituality. As for the chasm such developments can create between ourselves and others, you are not alone. Perhaps in part it is that lone wolf complex that Capricorns can be so characteristic of.
To correct a previous post, it is also possible to be born in 1986 and be a member of the Neptune Capricorn generation. ;-) I feel in general its lessons seek to dispel the excess of 'smoke and mirrors' that Spirituality often generates.. To find a grounded, wholistic understanding of these elusive and esoteric aspects of life. Such a grounding is rather challenging.. but as with the sign of Capricorn, it is those that continue to strive and meet such challenges that we receive our Spiritual rewards.
I like what you say about dispelling the smoke and mirrors of spirituality. I often thought it would be good to have a regional magazine which reviewed healers and mystics and psychics. The purpose of the magazine would be to separate the wheat from the chaff. To expose the quacks to the population and relate who the truly gifted are. The alternative community lacks a control valve. Most other conventional communities have this. It's no wonder that people associate "new agers" with flakeyness.

Glad to see another person of the Neptune in Capricorn generation feels this way. I think that my interpretation of how the energy effects me is not exactly status-quo, and not necessarily applicable to the general population. It's not just about the influence, but also other aspects, environmental rearing, cultural norms, the quality of the receiver, as well as what one does with the influence.

So let’s examine this influence on a massive scale, comparing the internal(psychological) and external(cultural) phenomena as we go along.

Our generation has been given the unfortunate moniker of "The Entitlement Generation". That's about as ridiculous as a wealthy man telling a group of starving people(the unskilled youth) that he will have a massive feast(the american dream) to which they are invited on a given day(adulthood). When the day arrives the starving people join the wealthy at their table. The wealthy man and his friend(baby boomers) are fighting over who gets the caviar because only 70% of what was paid for was delivered(pension, retirement).

The starving person(entitlement generation) sees that the wealthy are starting to feel decreases in their standard of life(cutbacks), but also notes that they and their friends are unlikely to every have any caviar for themselves, either to eat or to fight over, so they as for some bread(a job that supplies a living wage). In response to this the two wealthy people who were fighting over who gets the caviar, report to the starving man that he is brimming with a sense of entitlement. Afterall, the caviar is running short, so why give up your bread? Who does that starving man think he is anyway? Does he actually think he is entitled to a slice of bread? How brash! How arrogant!

Few things smell more foul than the baby boomers accusing us of entitlement. Nothing could be more hypocritical. Isn't it they who are currently fighting tooth and claw to keep their entitlements? Isn't it us, who scarcely expect to have retirement funds, pensions, paid vacations, overtime, and living wages?

"We have become a society that kills it's grand children to feed its children" Tom Brown Jr. The baby boomers are killing us to feed themselves.

Societally speaking and in a general sense, a large proportion of our generation is unskilled. In fact, outside of the generations born after us, we are likely to be the most spectacularly unskilled generation in the whole of American History. (My cultural assessments are that of the culture to which I belong, which is American culture and is most applicable to American society, but parallels may be found in other industrial, first-world countries, as they are our cultural relatives) By unskilled, I mean, unskilled in any area outside of the field of technology, most typically hand-on trades. If one is of our generation and skilled, they are exceptional, whether or not belonging to the alternative community or the status quo.

If one is unskilled it limits the avenues in which they can make money. Neptune(delusion, deception and self-deception, uncertainty) in Capricorn(work, profession and professionalism, ability to make money, 10th house matters, social prestige based on career, financial security)

In fact, we as a generation share an unfortunate social conflict when it comes to work. First of all, we were given false expectations(Neptune manifesting as deception by an outside source) about work. You see, many of us were raised to expect a living wage and a socially acceptable career(Capricorn). For some time, the baby boomers were able to pay for a family of four on a single income with a job at an auto manufacturer without a college degree. The expectation for this standard of life was passed onto us.

We were taught to view jobs like working at walmart or mcdonalds or anything having to do with the service industry(service being ruled by neptune, however, the service industry generally works with non-neptunian goods and products) with contempt, as they were "low-caste" and we, educated as we were, were better than that. For a middle class or upper middle class child to grow up to take on such a job, they would be considered a failure, or an embarassment to their family. This is similar to moving down a caste in India, something few would choose to do.

Besides, reasoning the baby-boomers, who passed this contempt down to us, one cannot support their family or pay their bills with such a job(capricorn).

Well, then the baby boomers outsourced all the jobs to 3rd world countries and the majority of the jobs left were that of the service industry. As our expectations were that of adequate employment and as we do not want the social stigma of working at walmart, as doing so threatens our sense of pride and value, and also as doing so is not rewarding in any way(financial or otherwise), because we were told we would grow up to be knights or kings or fair ladies and then forced to be untouchables, many of us are hesitant to take such a job at all, even if it means unemployment.

This conflict breeds a pretty poor work ethic. We were told that if we worked "Really hard" and if we were to "be all that you can be" we could get somewhere and be something special. We would be rewarded.

Then life happens. The majority of the jobs available are service jobs, regardless of an individual's degree of education. Educated or not, we work our asses off at some dead end job. No promotion. Few raises. When a raise happens that cost of living goes up and we end up making less money. Even the best employees are hesitant to make demands of their employers, as they know they are inherently disposable and easily replaced. We see that. We see that we are asked to be a cog in the machine. And we don't like it. There's no reward in it. It's no wonder many of us have poor work ethic. We expect the expectations that were given us and society as a whole is not living up the myth it has perpetuated. Neptune in Capricorn.

There is another aspect to this story. Skillsets determine where one fits into the social heirarchy which in turn, determines a person's sense of self-value or self-identity. Our generation does not know where we fit in to the greater whole. In general, we lack a sense of identity. This can be seen in our lack of confidence, both in terms of body language and speech. We are rarely seen standing upright, as homo sapiens was meant to do, and our speech patterns are heavily afflicted with the second-guessing tone of upspeak. Many of us try to gain a sense of self by identifying with movies(neptune), or how we look, rather than who we are. We'll die our hair purple and pierce our noses just to have a sense of identity, so we can feel unique, not realizing that the purchase of mass-produced chinese studs to sew onto our jackets and cheap beer further perpetuates the consumer society("The Establishment": Capricorn) we deceive ourselves(Neptune) into proporting that we are against. We are so desparate to gain a sense of self that we create facebook pages with pictures of ourselves everytime we eat or fart and crave so desparately to be "liked" for it.

We are always trying to prove who we are. We identify with how we look rather than our character. We have become easily manipulated because of this. Advertisement campaigns know this and feed off of our insecurities: "this product will give you a better sense of self."

As a whole, our generation is constantly plugged into a "virtual reality"(neptune). We cannot stop texting, we cannot put down our iphones, we cannot turn off the TV, or walk away from the computer. God forbid we take those headphones out of our ears, lest we be confronted with the cold-hard reality of things(Capricorn). We were raised with technological baby sitters rather than good old-fashioned nourishment.

We're disconnect from nature(Earth element) and accustomed to artificial environments. This disconnect is likely the strongest disconnect from the Earth ever seen in written history(aside from any speculative reports on the culture and fall of Atlantis). We think rivers of concrete are normal(Streets, roads, highways). We think towers made from the innards of dead mountains are normal(Skyscrapers). We enjoy a winter in a temperate climate with average temperatures of sixty degrees and fail to question why it is that flies are buzzing around in January in a temperate climate. The Earth screams in vain while we plug our ears with headphones. I've met people of my generation who didn't even know what a beet was.

Due to our collective identity crisis(which is not limited to our generation alone, mind you) many people would rather be something than do it. They want a sense of prestige and a title(Capricorn) that would bear it, but are unwilling to do the work necessary to be qualified for that title. Thus, they call themselves healers, shamans, herbalists, "masters" of this or that with relatively little experience. All it takes to be considered a "master herbalist" is 9 courses once a month. That's only 9 classes! Mastery cannot be acquired in 9 days. This is a very neptunian(self-deceiving) way of going about becoming a professional!

Why? We don't want to do the grunt work(earth element). We want to be instant experts(the drive for illumination). We cannot submit ourselves to the service require to gain mastery. Neptune in Capricorn.

Now: Calling oneself a healer before qualified can lead to death, but more importantly than a few individuals dead as a result of malpractice is the fact that when malpractice becomes a common phenomena in a given field, the reputation of the field becomes poor. The lives of the true healers are impacted adversely. Less people are likely to see them and thus, less healed. Even worse, the trade is likely to be stigmatized out of existence and thus, unavailable to the unborn generations of the future.

Now things aren't all bad, but we've got a lot stacked against us.

There are permaculture and urban gardening initiatives that our generation is promoting. Unfortunately, the kid who didn't know what a beet was is also a "certified permacultural designer"!

The positive: We see the problems of society and want to fix them.
The negative: Most of us lack the understanding or the skillsets to do so.
The moral of the story: The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

Our generation is involved in the 99%. And what have they done? Nothing really. They fizzled out. They acheived nothing. They had a few sit-ins, fed some people, smoked pot, drank beer, made a few posters, complained about the economy, and engaged in a mentally masturbatory circle jerk. Then they got bored and went home.

Why? Because they had no direction. No plan. No goals. No grounding force. Not even much of an idea of history.

Historically speaking, sit-ins were for the 60's. We're no longer in the 60's. The baby boomers were the ones sitting in. They know how to deal with it. They know how to dispell it. It's a game to them. A game they played long ago. They know that game better than our generation and they know how to stop it. The people in power aren't that stupid. They learn what works and what doesn't. Why don't we?

I was suprised when I spoke to some of the 99-Percenters. The ones I spoke with didn't even know the history of the American labor movement. The labor movement was marked by direct action. Direct Action is the most effective means to utilize a change.

During the labor movement a small town in America passed an ordinance against free speech. The workers put up soap boxes on every street corner and took turns making speeches. Each time they opened their mouths they were arrested. They had about enough time to say, "Fellow Workers", then they were arrested. Then the next person would step up and get arrested. Before long, all the jails were filled. Then there were so many people arrested that the prisoners had to be kept in highschool gyms...whatever public space was available. Then came the real kicker. The prison system had to feed the prisoners. They couldn't afford to do so, so a tax was raised. The tax was monumental. The remaining portion of the population refused to pay such a high tax just to support a bunch of lawbreaking criminals. Thus, the ordinance against free speech was changed.

What the neptune in capricorn generation needs to do is reinforce their neptune with the grounding and practical influence of capricorn. And we need to prevent neptune from interfering with our 10th house matters. It is imperative that we gain a degree of mastery over our own neptunian energies to do so.

As it stands, the neptune and the capricorn are in conflict with one another. Our mission is to make it work together, otherwise the quality of our lifes will be(and is) severely comprimised.

We can reverse this: Once we use capricorn to ground neptune we can use neptune to refine capricorn. But those are lofty goals. Neptune is even more difficult than pluto to work with(at least for those of us with pluto in scorpio).

Neptune in Capricorn seems to be an affliction, however, if mastered it could create a form of neptunian energy that is most influntial upon the earth plane, due to it's placement in the most influential of the earth signs. Although, Neptune in Taurus would be a thing to be reckoned with. Many great social reformers were taurus's(Although sagittarius is known for higher learning and for whatever reason associated with reform, many of the great social reformers were either Taurus's or Libras. Sagittarius is, afterall, mutable. Not many of us are known for social reform. ) A taurus lense is more accessible than a capricorn lense to the common people. Thus, the ratio of people mastering neptune in taurus would be higher than that of neptune in capricorn, which entails a certain level of success and influential ability to master. Also, a neptune in taurus generation would be more likely to unite for a cause. Neptune in capricorn is more individualistic. Naturally, it will be difficult for us to unite for a cause.

Neptune in an earth sign seems as though it would be of pivotal importance to us, because of the four elements, we live on earth. We do not live in fire. We do not live in water, as the fish. We do not live in the air, as the bees. When a planet passes an earth sign its energies are most available to earth. It is not the exaltation of the planet. It is the manifestation of the planet through earth energies, and thus when the planets influence may well be closest to us.
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BTW: I'm talking on a cultural scale.

Also:

I'm Neptune in Capricorn and Pluto in Scorpio, but my stellium can be found in Sagittarius(Saturn, Venus, Uranus, Moon all conjunct(and in that order), while my sun is also in Sagittarius, although not conjuncting the rest of the stellium). No Neptune conjunct Uranus here. Uranus conjunct Moon. Moon approximately 9 degrees away from Neptune in Capricorn.

And Rosie:

Thanks for the compliment!
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Lenzites betulina,

That is the best thing I have read to date on this subject!

You have Neptune in Capricorn - how about all those here with Uranus conjunct Neptune in Capricorn? What do you make of these souls?

Few things smell more foul than the baby boomers accusing us of entitlement.

Too too true. The "ME Generation" blame and name calling. Sick.

The Pluto in Leo Generation were suppose to bring in the Age of Aquarius, and hey, thank God(dess) for all the wonderful Pluto in Leo astrologers and all those books they have written. Pluto in Leo Generation brought in environmental science, organic food, and the internet etc. As you say, it isn't all bad, of course.

But the shadow side, the unevolved in my generation, are out of control Leo ego-maniacs, and the Man has stolen the money.

Soooo much money got spent to put down the Movements of the 50s and 60s (Labor Movement, Civil Rights Movement, Peace Movement, Women's Movement, Gay Rights etc) and the Man has studied hard how to keep folks from organizing ever since. Right/Left politics, in the USA particularly, are a scam, scripted and promoting by the corporate media. The real issues are always UP/Down, but they don't get reported.

The key to success for the Pluto in Scorpio Generation is to pull off positive Taurus. What does that mean to you?

The shadow aside of the Pluto in Scorpio generation is pure evil. The Pluto in Aquarius Generation's opinion of you-all will be very important.

At this time of this Waxing 1st Uranus/Pluto Square (they were conjunct in Virgo in the 60s), it looks like the bad guys have won. But then, we haven't really started to fight them yet.

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Wow, Rosie, the best thing you've read on the subject to date? A statement such as this is really quite touching. To say the least: thank you.


I had to learn about Neptune in Capricorn because it is present in my chart. There wasn't much information about it in the books I had, and thus I took to good-old-fashioned observation in order to gain an assessment of the energies at hand, how they could manifest, and furthermore, how they could be used, as they were, afterall, an integral part of my own life.


I never much bought into the whole, "It's generational, everybody has it" mindset. Some people resonate more to the outer planets. When this is the case the outer planets will have a stronger influence over the life of the native.

I have not devoted any study or observation to Neptune conjunct Uranus in Capricorn and thus have little to say. I would much rather hear the words of others regarding this topic.

The key to success for the Pluto in Scorpio Generation is to pull off positive Taurus. What does that mean to you?

Sedna dwells in Taurus. Sedna presides over the ages. The Pluto-Sedna opposition of the late 80's was important. I have yet to understand just what it means.

Other than that, I don't logically follow you. Something to do with mastering the signs opposite to balance the energy of the planets placed in that sign? Please explain!

The shadow aside of the Pluto in Scorpio generation is pure evil. The Pluto in Aquarius Generation's opinion of you-all will be very important.

Let's define evil as an absolute absence of goodness at the time of birth.

Yes, human beings behave and think in all kinds of negative ways, but pure evil is something else. When set beside pure evil, negativity at it's most intense is just a misguided child. Evil is something different.

The word shouldn't be thrown around lightly. I've seen innocents stigmatized for their supposed "evilness". The social castigation forever left a mark on their souls. It were as though a witch hunt was taking place and the accusers, moreso than the "witches" were the ones truly spreading "evil" in the name of goodness. But even in this case, the accusers were simply misguided. Any evil that was present was acting through them and not of them.

Pluto in Scorpio is facsinating. It gives me an ability to focus on things most people aren't aware of. I'm not exactly sure how it effects the others, but it grants me an investigative ability, observational powers, and a certain gravitation towards mystical literature from the late 1800s through the early 1900s. Although Pluto in Scorpio is known for associations with the occult, social definition of occult does not match the literal definition. In a social sense, the word "occult" conjurs images of oiji boards, spells, and divinations. However, "occult" simply means "knowledge of the hidden". Knowledge of the hidden is dear to me. I'm not so interested in what everybody else knows, nor am I all that interested in jumping on any band wagons. I look to the underlying cause of things. Always have. In this quest to understand the underlying causes of this that and the other, I turn to history, psychology, science, mysticism, and review any and all explainations that are applicable. Then I test the information, as well as my conclusions. This is through the lense of the third house and conjunct Mercury. Manifestations may be different for those with a different house placement.

Pluto in scorpio kind of reminds me of a documentary I recently saw about neuroscience. They stated something like, the brain of an addict learns too well. Something to do with the reward response. It makes the associations too quickly and in certain social circumstances addiction results. That's kind of what Pluto in Scorpio reminds me of. Great learner, but learns too well. Simply, we are very likely take what we learn to a deeper level and when taken on such deep levels, there is no light heartedness about the things we do and say, especially when "knowledge of the hidden" shows us the deeper implications of half-hearted comments passed off in a jocoserious tone. Thus, lightheartedness puzzles the more plutonian of us. We don't deal well with the conflicting sets of instruction(or expectations) so ubiquitous in our culture today. Until more mature and able to handle the plutonian energies, these conflicting expectations may cause us to excell in one of two conflicting expectations to our own detriment, because we are not following the status quo by doing so. If the social conditions are poor, calamity can result from the learning. Thus, Pluto in Scorpio can serve as a canary in the coal mine to expose what is wrong with a culture, what forms of nourishment and integrity it is lacking in. To a certain extent, we take things and intensify them.

Another phenomena I notice is that with Pluto in Scorpio, at least for me, I take heed to the temporal nature of many things. Most importantly, I notice within myself a lack of the inherent fear many of my elders deal with Pluto. The lack of fear is based on the inherent knowledge that each plutonian lesson is designed to transform an entity into the next phase of existence. It is more than likely that whatever has been gained from the experience was worth the troubles. Think baptism by fire. Think learning the hard way. Think "whatever doesn't kill me makes me stronger". Think of the struggle required for success. Think of the alcoholic who has not the power to quit until Pluto comes along and bottoms him out, then and only then, is he ready to change his ways and live a life of sobriety. Think Shiva, the hindu god of death, and how one may be able to pray to him to kill the worn out parts of oneself that serve as obstacles to enlightenment. This is the power of Pluto and although it causes many causualties, those of us who can get through it come out with something we couldn't have otherwise. Perhaps we with Pluto in scorpio are more likely to accept this than other generations. We can use the struggles we go through to shift our personal paradigms and we can do this deliberately if need be.

However, I'm not so sure of the applicability of what I say to the rest of my generation. I do not consort with them much.

My generation lives in a convenient fantasy world...but why not? The humanity we were born into doesn't seem to want us. Most of us were raised with our parents too busy with jobs or television to tend to nuturing our emotional needs. Most of us were fed carcinogenic materials before even weaning from the breast and then told we had to look like a pop star to have any sense of worth as a human being(as though that would be realistic for the young men with hips and the young women with poorly proportioned bodies due to a diet high in hormones and a sedentary lifestyle). Now we find ourselves in an economy that expects us to be happy to have a job, even if it's flipping burgers for minimum wage after getting a college degree. Well thank you for the scraps from the table. Many of us see these things and reject them.

One of the most pivotal things that happened for my generation was when Bush ran against Kerry. That moment in time told each and every one of us that our votes were meaningless. It confirmed the corruption of the government. It confirmed to many of us that there was no point in getting involved in the system, or having any faith in it. It told us that our country cared not for its people. It were as though a dark cloud blanketed our nation on that day. Is the ratio of Pluto in Scorpio non-voters to voters higher than generations past? I'd expect it would be. Every election since Bush our votes have been tampered with. Many of us were at or around voting age for this Bush/Kerry conundrum. Those of us born later on may perceive tampering with votes as a normal occurence of the times, but for those of us who were approximately voting age during the second Bush election, we saw a shift take place. Many of Pluto in Scorpios do not trust the government.

This generation came at the time of many shifts. The younger part of this generation may not remember the energies of the old, but the older part is able to tap into these energies and compare the world they were born into with the world as it is now. At least I am. It shifted around with those born around 89. Many of the dragons born in 88 have exceptional abilities. Those born in the 90's are likely to perceive the state of things as they are now as normal. This is because of the availability of current technologies in their lives. The speed at which technology advances makes the difference of a few short years from the latter half of the 80s to the early 90's monumental.

When I was in school all the schools were renovating their libraries into "media centers". So in elementary school we had a library. We used card catalogues to look up books. We also had textbooks from the fifties. Our maps still had the USSR on them. They had to tell us that the USSR was really Russia and that the maps had changed. I bring this up to mention that a portion of my education was from the same textbooks that children were learning from in the 50's, 60's, and 70's. The authors of the text books in the 50s were likely to have knowledge dating back to the early 1900s and these authors were in turn, likely to be influenced by their elders, people who had seen the 1800s first hand. Thus, the collective consciousness embodied in these books could easily be traced back to the 1800's.

Then the library closed for construction and it was transformed into a media center. No more card catalogues. Less books. More tables. More computers. They stopped having us write in cursive and started having us type out our papers. All the textbooks were updated. It took some getting used to. The new text books were too easy. They looked more like picture books than textbooks.

Then in middle school we had a library, but it too was converted to a media center. Our books, again, originally from the 50's, were also updated. The same happened in highschool. The point is, we have the memory of both the library and the media center. The before and the after. And if we choose to do so, we can compare and contrast them. The younger ones of our generations did not have this memory of the school library because it was already transformed into a media center by the time they got there. They cannot compare and contrast these experiences(depending upon the progressiveness of the community to which they belong).

We were also taught how to write checks in elementary school and told always to put money in the banks because it accrued interest. Upon adulthood we found that the banking laws had been changed, seemingly under our noses. Now if we let our money sit in the bank we accumulate charges. If we let it sit for too long we have no money left. The younger ones of us may not remember when a bank account furnished interest. They may not be able to compare and contrast these things.

Even the older portion of the generation, who has been given the opportunity to compare and contrast these circumstances often chooses not to do so. Why on earth would we want to look at what we've lost? And with a collective distrust for the status quo, how can one convince a Pluto in Scorpio that the status quo of the past was any better than it was today? Afterall, it's still a status quo. Often times we refuse to participate in the way things are going by withdrawing. Unfortunately, withdrawel doesn't change much when one is still completely reliant on their mother culture for sustenance. It merely reduces one to a lowly status within the culture. Withdrawel is likely a common theme for Pluto in Scorpio. Conversely, if the native matures and the Plutonian energy is well harnessed, they can tap into their "hidden knowledge" to set forth remarkable transformations. They have the potential to correct many of the worn out thought patterns perpetuated by humankind(under the radar, if you will) that result in serious misdeeds. Why? Because they are more likely to be consciously aware of what for other generations are subconscious behaviors.

However, as much as we withdraw, we also reveal. We reveal what is wrong. Even if we don't consciously know what is wrong, our behaviors, when imbalanced are intensified by Pluto. This intensification makes a given problem well known to all onlookers. Unfortunately most onlookers look to the native as the problem, rather than the underlying conditions that created the imbalance. We're reactionary. When a Pluto in Scorpio acts out on a monumental scale they are reacting. The more intense the acting out, the greater the stimuli they are reacting too. In many cases, this reaction can be reduced to one simple thing: the revocation of our birthrights and subsequently, our dignity as living souls. These are not small slights. Wars have been waged over less. Pluto in Scorpio will fight tooth and nail for their souls. And their souls are sensitive to the unseen mechanisms behind the things most people do, things that most people don't notice or seem affected by. Therefore, what is perceived as normal by former generations can be perceived as a threat to Pluto in Scorpio. Because Pluto in Scorpio tends to perceive certain social norms as threatening, those who uphold those social norms perceive Pluto in Scorpio as threatening, due to their refusal to participate in general consensus. The upholders of the social norms then try to force the Pluto in Scorpio to assimilate, or to punish Pluto in Scorpio for not doing so, thereby confirming Pluto in Scorpio's perception of a threat. Then, in response to the threat, the Pluto in Scorpio fights. It tries to stick up for itself. Unfortunately, Pluto in Scorpio often gets blamed for all this ruckus, due to the intense manner in which they respond when backed into a corner. Pluto in Scorpio is a generation of renegade warriors and martyrs.

Unfortunately, we expect others to perceive the same threats we do, not realizing that they don't(because although real and tangible, they are largely unseen). The more we try to get them to understand, the more they resist. Eventually force comes into play, from either direction. That force is Pluto and as a result of that force is either a paradigm shift or being gobbled up. Remember Aesop's Fables? Each story had a moral at the end. Pluto does the same.

Late 80s/early 90's were when many of the indigos were born. Older generations write alot of books about the indigos, with all the superpowers we are proported to have. Perhaps we perceive the world differently than our forebearers. Perhaps the knowledge that is hidden to them is common place to us. Perhaps this Pluto in Scorpio and Neptune in Capricorn has something to do with it.
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Why do you say Pluto in Aquarius's opinion of us will be important?
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Like you, I don't find much good material on this subject matter, so again, your insights are awakening for me. Your Pluto in Scorpio thoughts, and thoughts on evil (and you are right, I should not go fluffy about evil, not with Pluto in Scorpios particularly), really profound and I am going back for another read after responding, briefly, to the questions you posed me.

Also, though there is little written about this subject, I just read, over the last couple days, a Liz Green book of lectures on the Outer Planets, and I highly recommend it. The lectures were given circa 1980, and she actually talks about the Capricorn Uranus/Neptune/Saturn conjunction years in advance of it. Here's a review of this book: http://wholeastrology.blogspot.com/2...iz-greene.html

I never much bought into the whole, "It's generational, everybody has it" mindset. Some people resonate more to the outer planets. When this is the case the outer planets will have a stronger influence over the life of the native.

Yes, but with T Pluto Square T Uranus on top of a whole mini-generation's N. Uranus/Neptune conjunction, with Saturn in there too, for those born in and around 1989 - Sextiling T Saturn conjunct N Pluto in Scorpio - for people in their twenties....I figure they ALL are feeling it.

Big time.

Some of them are suicidal, thus the rest need to breech the myth of isolation, and myth of aloneness, and even myth of loner-ness that you-all have - natural to Pluto in Scorpio and Craapy-corness - enough to help each other. Not trying to change Pluto in Scorpio folk, just saying they need to help each other right now, because these is hard times.

Also asserting that astrology is a huge help!

I don't logically follow you. Something to do with mastering the signs opposite to balance the energy of the planets placed in that sign? Please explain!

Check out Evoltionary Astrology as a field, and Jeff Green's two volumes on Pluto. You will love it.

Basically they teach that: Pluto is mega powerful, thus it shoots across our scopes and we need to activate the place it shoots to, lest it blows up or goes negative in the sign and house of our Natal scopes. Green looks at Pluto as a deeper level of NN sort of stuff, answering the "why did we incarnate here and now?" question. The Pluto axis for Evolutionary Astrologers ( and there are many who call themselves Evolutionary Astrologers) is kind of the big bang of your soul's purpose and NN is the finer tuning, you might say.

Thus, according to Evolutionary Astrology, Pluto in Leo folk, like me, were suppose to bring in the age of Aquarius. Pluto is Scorpio folk are here to pull off positive Taurus, which I find very exciting myself. I have never liked the whole money game, and life in a cubicle doesn't look like a successful life to me.

Why do you say Pluto in Aquarius's opinion of us will be important?

Pluto in Fixed signs are revolutionary generations - Pluto (Boom!), Fixed (Structures...). You are complaining about the unevolved, sociopathic, narcissistic Pluto in Leo generation. You are right, and being Pluto in Leo, I wish we could have done better. And/but reminding you that all the reform movements Pluto in Leo folk launched in our day were heavily infiltrated and huge amounts of money got spent to put them down.

When the Pluto in Aquarius generation gains adulthood they are going to be mad at the unevolved Pluto in Scorpio generation too. There are Squares between these Plutos, these generations.

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Astrology shows the way through, or around. I am going to repeat some themes from earlier posts.

Anyone here ever played Monopoly? Pretty long drawn out boring last half of that game - right? ZZZZzzzzz. That is how this Uranus/Pluto Squares feels to me.

Time for a whole new game. The bad guys won Monopoly, let them play SORRY instead.

So it is very true that there are no jobs and you-all are not being given opportunities or training.

That said, you have been training yourselves via the internet for years. You have amazing thumbs and Scorpio energy woodsheds - that is, a Scorpio never bothers to display a talent until s/he has mastered it. They spend hours hanging out in the woodshed, alone, practicing guitar, and then casually play something at a party, and blow everyone's mind. Who knew?

Thus I would prefer to call the Pluto in Scorpio Generation the Who Knew? Generation.

Meanwhile the bad guys stole all the money. Luckily money is a symbol, kind of a joke. So if only 1% have all the money, then are the 99% victims? Yes..but also NO!

Paradigm Shift. Think Aquarius and bringing in Aquarian approaches because Pisces is going out and Aquarium energy is coming in! You can BANK on this (no, no, try Credit Unions or even better sorts of Unions!).

Then, if you are Pluto in Scorpio look at where the opposite Taurus point is, what House? What does RICHNESS in that House mean? List 10 mundane and strange, do-able and not yet possible, ways to get around the whole money game in that House, and thereby achieve richness.

Uranus/Neptune in Capricorn is a very practical super power, that you have and I don't. Wizards.
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Pluto is at home in Scorpio and so your whole generation is at home with Pluto. ....
And, powerful planets like Nep or Pluto are at home basically anywhere in the sense that they are powerful and will do what they have to in any sign. What I mean is that neither of the powerful outer planets is like a Venus in Aries, which is then in detriment and gets overpowered by Mars, and thus cannot then be balanced or harmonious (the typicalities of normal Ven), or whatever.

Unlike that, no matter what signs the likes of Ura, Nep or Plu transit, they do not get overpowerwed by the rulers of those signs, but they themselves are the ones calling the shots and bringing about transformation in those signs on a generational level.

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Wow OP, thanks so much for your insight into our generation as well as the powerful Pluto transit coming up. I have all three, Uranus, Saturn and Neptune in Capricorn as well and am a member of the Pluto in Scorpio generation as well as having three other main planets in Scorpio (Sun, Mercury, and Venus) so I am right at home in all this transformative energy.

I'm 22 and have been going through a silent yet rapid and powerful internal transformation and learning of self for all of early 2013 (it is amazing me how much I've learned to know and love myself better, while also being at home in my own world for 4 months as of right now). I'm actually surprised the big Uranus Square Pluto dates haven't hit already. I guess the peak of my transformation has yet to come!

This is a powerful time for us all as this transit is happening 7 times within a short space of 3 years! Whereas Pluto in Leo's were much more open in their transformations, as mentioned, I sense that my generation is making its moves quietly at the moment and might even seem lazy and detached...and then BOOM...the revolution is revealed. Until then, no one (including some of ourselves) really knows what we're up to.
Insane, I'm 23 and have experiences very similar to you recently, I have been back home for 5 months in my own quiet revolution. Not entirely sure what is to come of it, but I'm hoping something good! This stood out for sure.
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Also a lot of 1989'ers +- have exalted Jupiter opposed to Saturn, Uranus, Neptune trined Pluto (Scorpio). At least for me, this is causing more Jupiter energy to increase in my 'psyche' as opposed to Saturn's. Pluto already transited Uranus in my chart and is still hovering right over Saturn/Neptune (10 degrees)...Let's just say it is a very intense period. I think depending on your house, you will see that aspect of your life begin to truly move forward in a way that you never expected before as well. If it is the tenth house, you may move in a totally different career direction and excel at new things that you you never thought would happen. This is happening in my 8th house, which has unleashed a lot of psychological garbage that has plagued me my whole life.

Anyway, this too will pass

Edit: Also I think this period allows you to move into your true self. Away from the realm of emotions, illusion, dreams, etc. into YOU...we came here and experienced the tumultuous reality of separation and ego. Maybe not everyone will come to this conclusion, but I believe a lot will because a lot of these people are here just to move things on to the next level.
I'm an 89'er as well, I wonder how the Jupiter in Cancer will work out after this intense period for all of us. Saturn is also transiting my moon, so I can't wait til Jupiter transits my ASC and natal Jupiter!
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...no matter what signs the likes of Ura, Nep or Plu transit, they do not get overpowered by the rulers of those signs, but they themselves are the ones calling the shots and bringing about transformation in those signs on a generational level.

Interesting point! Maybe because I am Sun in Aquarius, which is Sun in detriment, I tend to really like folks with inner planets in detriment. Venus in Aries is fantastic! Mars in Taurus? Ahhhh. Ferdinand the Bull is one of my favorite stories. Mars in Libra - bring it on. Mercury in Sage and Pisces - yay! Up with detriments! My new Aquarium Cause of the Week.

But back to your point. Yes, when those outer planets speak up it is like we are being SHOWN. We experience it as Guidance or in Pluto's case, fate. We can take on this other transcendent voice, or embody the archetype spontaneously, and start channeling Neptunian energy, or Uranian. Or we get taken up on some weird quest, or insane binge, or wild romance. We can meditate and have visions, lucid dreams, or experience transcendent sex, or our dreams can become prophetic. We can suddenly become very psychic in different ways, like Handel we can write the Messiah in 24 days and die on Easter morning - all that sort of stuff, and more, is what it is like when the outer planets come through.

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This video hits me as a perfect example of how our individual inner planet energies get joined by outer planets.

Also this video seems so Uranus/Neptune/Saturn in Capricorn to me! The music is classically classic Capricorn, the skill level is Saturn in Capricorn. Add in the Uranus flash mob scene and spontaneous crowd awakening with lots of Neptunian angel on high glory - I loved it.

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