archergirl
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Amen, brother.
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Astrologer4U
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Re: The chart of a Gay man
Yes of course there are many other examples but I would have taken up so much time and pages, had I wrote out the many other examples running around in my head. My point was just to give ideas of the many scenarios. Humans have so many dynamics from culture to culture, country to country, Continent to continent and I could go on and on.
People are born, that is it and then they are shaped, is what I am saying. Like a child who is taught to be racist, that child was not born that way. The natal chart is supposed to be our highest potential. Many of us are at our lowest. Highest just means total consciousess. This is just my opinion. As far as what you say about the hypothalamus, I don't agree with those studies because they are no different from how far we have come in Astrological studies when it comes to sexual orientation. I will look for the information if necessary but from the studies I saw conducted, they were not equal in male female or different races of people. Also, the test were conducted with the knowledge that the subject was a known homosexual, which to me makes the test already bias. Also, no heterosexual people were taken into consideration.
This is speculation. If doctors can tell a woman that a baby is going to be born mentally challenged, they should also be able to tell a woman who is having issues with the prenatal fetus's, central nervous system, that her child will be gay. Until they can do that, I am not going to believe all of the speculation. This speculation is no different from the speculation which states that if a woman does drugs while pregnant, more than likely her child will be physically, mentally and emotionally unstable. That specualtion was debunked after so many baby's were born healthy and as they progressed in age, they remained perfect in the areas of concern.
That is why I don't believe that people are born gay. I will say it again, People are not born gay, Straight, Bi or zoophiliac. We as humans make the choice for which sexual preferance we are going to enjoy and the reason behind our choices are many. Some of us are conscious of our choices, 3rd house and some of us are not conscious of how, and why we made our choices 12th house. What we are all striving for is the 9th house, the higher mind.
Science versus Astrology in terms of genetics is something that would take a world view Astrology to prove. Astrology is a practice that differs from culture to culture. If we go into those places where a small group of people study Astrology and they all come from the same background, they would more than likely be able to predict what a childs physical characteristics will be. Americans and Europeans are not the only ones versed in and practicing Astrology. In fact, Americans and Europeans are behind in the study.
That is due to cultures mixing. Culture mixing interferes with the traditional predictable ancient readings. This is why Americans and Europeans are far behind in Astrology. Americans and Europeans are mixed up in the science of Astrology, literally mixed up They are to busy feeling as though they are ahead and everyone else is backward, nontechnological and primitive
rogue_red said:
Yes of course there are many other examples but I would have taken up so much time and pages, had I wrote out the many other examples running around in my head. My point was just to give ideas of the many scenarios. Humans have so many dynamics from culture to culture, country to country, Continent to continent and I could go on and on.
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People are born, that is it and then they are shaped, is what I am saying. Like a child who is taught to be racist, that child was not born that way. The natal chart is supposed to be our highest potential. Many of us are at our lowest. Highest just means total consciousess. This is just my opinion. As far as what you say about the hypothalamus, I don't agree with those studies because they are no different from how far we have come in Astrological studies when it comes to sexual orientation. I will look for the information if necessary but from the studies I saw conducted, they were not equal in male female or different races of people. Also, the test were conducted with the knowledge that the subject was a known homosexual, which to me makes the test already bias. Also, no heterosexual people were taken into consideration.
rouge_red said:
This is speculation. If doctors can tell a woman that a baby is going to be born mentally challenged, they should also be able to tell a woman who is having issues with the prenatal fetus's, central nervous system, that her child will be gay. Until they can do that, I am not going to believe all of the speculation. This speculation is no different from the speculation which states that if a woman does drugs while pregnant, more than likely her child will be physically, mentally and emotionally unstable. That specualtion was debunked after so many baby's were born healthy and as they progressed in age, they remained perfect in the areas of concern.
rouge_red said:Astrology isnt a perfected science and to say that people arent born gay because astrology only shows tendancies or probable traits is to say that nobody is born genetically predisposed to anything when we know for a fact that it is. There is (to my knowlege) no absolute astrological evidence of a natives eye colour and yet its a biological certainty that two brown eyed parents will have only brown eyed children.*(see note)
I think you may be trying to use astrology to prove science which really cannot be done.
That is why I don't believe that people are born gay. I will say it again, People are not born gay, Straight, Bi or zoophiliac. We as humans make the choice for which sexual preferance we are going to enjoy and the reason behind our choices are many. Some of us are conscious of our choices, 3rd house and some of us are not conscious of how, and why we made our choices 12th house. What we are all striving for is the 9th house, the higher mind.
Science versus Astrology in terms of genetics is something that would take a world view Astrology to prove. Astrology is a practice that differs from culture to culture. If we go into those places where a small group of people study Astrology and they all come from the same background, they would more than likely be able to predict what a childs physical characteristics will be. Americans and Europeans are not the only ones versed in and practicing Astrology. In fact, Americans and Europeans are behind in the study.
rouge_red said:
That is due to cultures mixing. Culture mixing interferes with the traditional predictable ancient readings. This is why Americans and Europeans are far behind in Astrology. Americans and Europeans are mixed up in the science of Astrology, literally mixed up
They are to busy feeling as though they are ahead and everyone else is backward, nontechnological and primitive
Kaiousei no Senshi
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Re: The chart of a Gay man
Really? What do you think the control group was? Heterosexuals.
For the record, I agree with you wholeheartedly rouge_red, I think you're doing a great job voicing and backing up your points here. It's difficult to do that when someone keeps refusing to acknowledge them, though. I don't have time to comment further, I've got to run, but keep up the good job. You're an inspiration to me as I'm trying to remain cool here.
I do have to comment on this though. You know "American and European" astrology is really from the middle-east, right?
Really? What do you think the control group was? Heterosexuals.
For the record, I agree with you wholeheartedly rouge_red, I think you're doing a great job voicing and backing up your points here. It's difficult to do that when someone keeps refusing to acknowledge them, though. I don't have time to comment further, I've got to run, but keep up the good job.
You're an inspiration to me as I'm trying to remain cool here. I do have to comment on this though. You know "American and European" astrology is really from the middle-east, right?
Astrologer4U
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Re: The chart of a Gay man
On the negative side yes, but then why you would choose to accuse this man of deceit and you don't even know him nor have you read his book is inidictative to prematurity
No I don't agree. If he were angry, he would have made up excuses and just stayed gay, he has changed from a forced lifestyle. He is proud of that accomplishment in his life and I don't take that from the man. You haven't read about this man, you have made your assumptions based on what I had initially told you about him. You can try now and go google all you want, but I know the deal
Two wrongs don't make a right but in this case, you are the only wrong one. Under what premise is this authors objectivity put under scrutiny? Most of your school books, and where you get your popular knowledge from is bias based. This is why we must study for ouselves, with a critical and anylitical objective mind. As long as you keep looking at other peoples views based on what you understand about yourself(subjectivity) you will have problems. The way that you are behaving is no different from how the rich elites feel that it is okay to cut down the rain forest to put up malls for profit, because the people living in the forest need to be spiritually, religiously and technologically brought into the new way of life. Of course, as you said, what other people do does not affect you, and this is how the rich elites feel as well. The excuses they use for forcing forest people to convert is a method they use to jusitfy their greed. Hence, they (rich elite) remove forest people from their homes and put up those malls you and I will feverishly go and shop at.
You don't know the man. You also don't know the people who's Astrology books you study and when you don't agree with what they say, you don't accuse them of deceit, now do you?
You say you don't agree that peoples beliefs on homosexuality can neither be right or wrong because it is a belief? Let me ask you this, if you woke up tomorrow and all the scientist and doctors are on the news recanting there past studies, saying that those studies were all wrong, homosexuality is not a born trait. What would you do then, continue to depend on scienteist to prove what is right and wrong? You can believe all you want that if a mack truck going one hundred miles an hour hits you, you will live and still be physically in perfect condition, but the facts are, you will more than likely die or become severely disfigured.
I think you may be to young or lacking experience to get it. There is nothing biased about believing that people are not born with a sexual preferance.Kaiousei no Senshi said:
Kaiousei no Senshi said:Scorpio is also descriptive of deceit.
On the negative side yes, but then why you would choose to accuse this man of deceit and you don't even know him nor have you read his book is inidictative to prematurity
No I don't agree. If he were angry, he would have made up excuses and just stayed gay, he has changed from a forced lifestyle. He is proud of that accomplishment in his life and I don't take that from the man. You haven't read about this man, you have made your assumptions based on what I had initially told you about him. You can try now and go google all you want, but I know the deal
Two wrongs don't make a right but in this case, you are the only wrong one. Under what premise is this authors objectivity put under scrutiny? Most of your school books, and where you get your popular knowledge from is bias based. This is why we must study for ouselves, with a critical and anylitical objective mind. As long as you keep looking at other peoples views based on what you understand about yourself(subjectivity) you will have problems. The way that you are behaving is no different from how the rich elites feel that it is okay to cut down the rain forest to put up malls for profit, because the people living in the forest need to be spiritually, religiously and technologically brought into the new way of life. Of course, as you said, what other people do does not affect you, and this is how the rich elites feel as well. The excuses they use for forcing forest people to convert is a method they use to jusitfy their greed. Hence, they (rich elite) remove forest people from their homes and put up those malls you and I will feverishly go and shop at.
You don't know the man. You also don't know the people who's Astrology books you study and when you don't agree with what they say, you don't accuse them of deceit, now do you?
You say you don't agree that peoples beliefs on homosexuality can neither be right or wrong because it is a belief? Let me ask you this, if you woke up tomorrow and all the scientist and doctors are on the news recanting there past studies, saying that those studies were all wrong, homosexuality is not a born trait. What would you do then, continue to depend on scienteist to prove what is right and wrong? You can believe all you want that if a mack truck going one hundred miles an hour hits you, you will live and still be physically in perfect condition, but the facts are, you will more than likely die or become severely disfigured.
rogue_red
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Re: The chart of a Gay man
Um ok i'll say this slowly...Two Brown eyed people have brown eyed kids. It doesnt matter if they are mixed race, pure descentants or cats, beavers or hamsters. The genetic rules (for eye colour) dont change because of cultural mixing:69:
Astrologer4U said:People are born, that is it and then they are shaped, is what I am saying. Like a child who is taught to be racist, that child was not born that way.
Im not saying im an expert but I have studied medicine, genetics and human biology and my answers arent my opinion but rather, science. If children are just taught to be what they are then where is the validity of astrology? Surely all children born of the same parents and into the same environment should be very similar in nature?
The natal chart is supposed to be our highest potential. Many of us are at our lowest. Highest just means total consciousess. This is just my opinion. As far as what you say about the hypothalamus, I don't agree with those studies because they are no different from how far we have come in Astrological studies when it comes to sexual orientation. I will look for the information if necessary but from the studies I saw conducted, they were not equal in male female or different races of people. Also, the test were conducted with the knowledge that the subject was a known homosexual, which to me makes the test already bias. Also, no heterosexual people were taken into consideration.
Actually the tests were done on sheep that refused to mate with female sheep preferring to mate males.
See this is the thing, animal mating is purely instinctive, no social pressures, no learned experiences and yet it is well documented that most species demonstrate homosexual behavior.
This is speculation. If doctors can tell a woman that a baby is going to be born mentally challenged, they should also be able to tell a woman who is having issues with the prenatal fetus's, central nervous system, that her child will be gay.
Ok, firstly doctors can tell if a child is mentally challenged in utero only if the abnormality is genetically or physically indicated and as yet the genetic marker for homosexuality hasnt been found.
Secondly i didnt say that the mother was having issues with the fetuses central nervous system and that indicated homosexuality. What i said is that if the mother has abberant hormonal flucuations during pregnancy that this can affect the parts of the brain that indicate sexual preferences. There have been numerous studies on the effects of stress during pregnancy on the developing fetus and the dangers of drugs and alcohol are well documented. Not one single baby has ever been born with fetal alcohol syndrome where the mother did not drink at all. Why are some babies born ok and others not? Because the babies metabolism and other biological factors determine whether the toxicity of alcohol is at a damaging level just as some people will get sunburned in five minutes in the sun and others wont burn for hours. Just because some babies arent affected doesnt disprove the effects of alcohol on the unborn child.
Until they can do that, I am not going to believe all of the speculation. This speculation is no different from the speculation which states that if a woman does drugs while pregnant, more than likely her child will be physically, mentally and emotionally unstable. That specualtion was debunked after so many baby's were born healthy and as they progressed in age, they remained perfect in the areas of concern.
After reading this statement im wondering why i am even debating this topic. I really enjoy a good debate that gets my mind going but comments like that a pure ignorance. Im not being rude or personally insulting but your arguements are just so unbelievably inaccurate.
That is why I don't believe that people are born gay. I will say it again, People are not born gay, Straight, Bi or zoophiliac. We as humans make the choice for which sexual preferance we are going to enjoy and the reason behind our choices are many. Some of us are conscious of our choices, 3rd house and some of us are not conscious of how, and why we made our choices 12th house. What we are all striving for is the 9th house, the higher mind.
Science versus Astrology in terms of genetics is something that would take a world view Astrology to prove. Astrology is a practice that differs from culture to culture. If we go into those places where a small group of people study Astrology and they all come from the same background, they would more than likely be able to predict what a childs physical characteristics will be. Americans and Europeans are not the only ones versed in and practicing Astrology. In fact, Americans and Europeans are behind in the study.
That is due to cultures mixing. Culture mixing interferes with the traditional predictable ancient readings. This is why Americans and Europeans are far behind in Astrology. Americans and Europeans are mixed up in the science of Astrology, literally mixed up
Um ok i'll say this slowly...Two Brown eyed people have brown eyed kids. It doesnt matter if they are mixed race, pure descentants or cats, beavers or hamsters. The genetic rules (for eye colour) dont change because of cultural mixing:69:
Astrologer4U
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Re: The chart of a Gay man
Being critical anylytical and objective here. If there is a such things as a middle east, where is your middle south, middle north, and middle west
Kaiousei no Senshi said:
Being critical anylytical and objective here. If there is a such things as a middle east, where is your middle south, middle north, and middle west
rogue_red
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Re: The chart of a Gay man
Thanks Kai. Im opting out of this thread now. As you know i do enjoy a good stimulating astrological debate but when the responses become ludicris then I know its my time to bow out.:29:
Rogue red
Kaiousei no Senshi said:For the record, I agree with you wholeheartedly rouge_red, I think you're doing a great job voicing and backing up your points here. It's difficult to do that when someone keeps refusing to acknowledge them, though. I don't have time to comment further, I've got to run, but keep up the good job.
Thanks Kai. Im opting out of this thread now. As you know i do enjoy a good stimulating astrological debate but when the responses become ludicris then I know its my time to bow out.:29:
Rogue red
Astrologer4U
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Re: The chart of a Gay man
I think any sign is capable of homosexuality. Astrology just gives hint as to, if one is more likely to lean in that direction. Astrology coupled with experiences and circumstances is what determinds if one will be gay, straight, Bi or Zoophiliac. Everyone is female first, as far as genitalia is concerned.
Astrologer4U
I think any sign is capable of homosexuality. Astrology just gives hint as to, if one is more likely to lean in that direction. Astrology coupled with experiences and circumstances is what determinds if one will be gay, straight, Bi or Zoophiliac. Everyone is female first, as far as genitalia is concerned.
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Astrologer4U
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Re: The chart of a Gay man
My point was, that we all, male and female have basically the same genitalia, we all have both sexes in us. If you are a woman, you have male genes inside of you. If you are a male, you have female genes inside of you. Therefore, everyone is capable of being Bi, homosexual or heterosexual depending on which energy they tap into, determinds which kind of sexual orientation they will be attracted to. Zoophiliac is another thing and people who desire to have sex with dead people Necrophiliacs, is a whole other thing as well. That's all I was tring to say... sorry you missed my point.
Astrologer4U
rogue_red said:
My point was, that we all, male and female have basically the same genitalia, we all have both sexes in us. If you are a woman, you have male genes inside of you. If you are a male, you have female genes inside of you. Therefore, everyone is capable of being Bi, homosexual or heterosexual depending on which energy they tap into, determinds which kind of sexual orientation they will be attracted to. Zoophiliac is another thing and people who desire to have sex with dead people Necrophiliacs, is a whole other thing as well. That's all I was tring to say... sorry you missed my point.
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rogue_red
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Re: The chart of a Gay man
I am a little confused A4U because you stated that
then went on to say
Do you think homosexuality is biological or not?
I am of the opinion that our dna and our astrological profiles are linked. I base this opinion on studies conducted by nasa into the effects of weightlessness on pregnant rats. The rats offspring were horribly deformed because, as they later determined, the embryo needs the earths magnetic field to determine which way up to put the head and tail and from these starting points the limbs etc grow so you can imagine the resulting mutation. Our dna is influenced by cosmic energies which is why i believe astrology works and why i believe that homosexuality can be (but not always) an inherent trait and seen in the natives chart. Just because we (male and female) carry the same dna doesnt mean we have access or control of that dna. In fact the Y chromosome which carries the SRY Gene (sex determining gene) has only 78 working genes and the X chromosome has 1500 working genes. All the other genes lay dormant, serving no purpose and having no function. We also share 99% of our dna with mice and apart from both liking cheese we have little else in common. When we look at the charts of families we often see trends that certainly indicate a connection between astrology and Genetics which is further evident when medical astrology shows a correlation between ones natal chart and inherited medical conditions. I believe that there are certain aspects in a natives chart that give the indication for homosexuality just as there are aspects for artistic ability, physical traits or any other number of things. Ultimately the native can choose to ignore such biological and astrological traits but denying them doesnt mean they dont exist within them.
Rogue Red
I am a little confused A4U because you stated that
then went on to say
Do you think homosexuality is biological or not?
I am of the opinion that our dna and our astrological profiles are linked. I base this opinion on studies conducted by nasa into the effects of weightlessness on pregnant rats. The rats offspring were horribly deformed because, as they later determined, the embryo needs the earths magnetic field to determine which way up to put the head and tail and from these starting points the limbs etc grow so you can imagine the resulting mutation. Our dna is influenced by cosmic energies which is why i believe astrology works and why i believe that homosexuality can be (but not always) an inherent trait and seen in the natives chart. Just because we (male and female) carry the same dna doesnt mean we have access or control of that dna. In fact the Y chromosome which carries the SRY Gene (sex determining gene) has only 78 working genes and the X chromosome has 1500 working genes. All the other genes lay dormant, serving no purpose and having no function. We also share 99% of our dna with mice and apart from both liking cheese we have little else in common. When we look at the charts of families we often see trends that certainly indicate a connection between astrology and Genetics which is further evident when medical astrology shows a correlation between ones natal chart and inherited medical conditions. I believe that there are certain aspects in a natives chart that give the indication for homosexuality just as there are aspects for artistic ability, physical traits or any other number of things. Ultimately the native can choose to ignore such biological and astrological traits but denying them doesnt mean they dont exist within them.
Rogue Red
Re: The chart of a Gay man
Basically this comes back to the nature/nuture debate. If we take the view that either is true, totally, we run into two different problems.
1) Sexual preference is biological. The danger here is that geneticists will search for a "gay gene" and may attempt to screen for it. Brave New World idea, and that scares me.
2) Sexual preference is a social thing. This leads to the the idea that it is a choice and plays right into the hands of religious conservatives and bigots.
Assigning preference to both (nature/nuture) does not necessarily get rid of the above problems.
The reason that such discussions make me uncomfortable is that they are so often used to point fingers. You aren't doing that, but so many times that is what happens.
I know you aimed this question at A4U, but here is my POV:rogue_red said:
Basically this comes back to the nature/nuture debate. If we take the view that either is true, totally, we run into two different problems.
1) Sexual preference is biological. The danger here is that geneticists will search for a "gay gene" and may attempt to screen for it. Brave New World idea, and that scares me.
2) Sexual preference is a social thing. This leads to the the idea that it is a choice and plays right into the hands of religious conservatives and bigots.
Assigning preference to both (nature/nuture) does not necessarily get rid of the above problems.
The reason that such discussions make me uncomfortable is that they are so often used to point fingers. You aren't doing that, but so many times that is what happens.
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I see sexual attraction or preference or homosexuality or gayness, whatever label you want to use, as a range, not an A or B thing.
I see no reason why there are not many people who are more or less in the middle, either equally attracted to both sexes, or close to it. If so, there would be very little necessary to "push them over to one side", so to speak. Now, whether or not this has the slightest effect on attraction itself or just the way people choose to express it is anyone's guess.
But I also think there are many people who are very close the the extreme "range", meaning so close to only attracted to the same sex OR the opposite sex that changing this would be next to impossible.
That's where I think nature comes into play most powerfully.
In short, I would say that when "sexual preference" really becomes a "choice", there is no really strong preference to begin with. That would make social conditioning, life experiences, much more important.
Logically sexual preference should show up in charts. But I don't trust our data.
So long as society continues to "reward" people for being "straight", and continues to handicap them for being gay, many people will continue to hide their true feelings or "sexual orientation". And why shouldn't they? There is not yet an equal playing field, so those who are openly gay still take chances, still show unusual courage, in my view.
As long as that is so, we will always be on a wild goose-chase when looking for the truth in charts, because the charts we study will only show those who are open, which does not necessarily have anything to do with orientation.
First of all, I'm sorry about the sloppy quoting, which I fixed.rogue_red said:
I see sexual attraction or preference or homosexuality or gayness, whatever label you want to use, as a range, not an A or B thing.
I see no reason why there are not many people who are more or less in the middle, either equally attracted to both sexes, or close to it. If so, there would be very little necessary to "push them over to one side", so to speak. Now, whether or not this has the slightest effect on attraction itself or just the way people choose to express it is anyone's guess.
But I also think there are many people who are very close the the extreme "range", meaning so close to only attracted to the same sex OR the opposite sex that changing this would be next to impossible.
That's where I think nature comes into play most powerfully.
In short, I would say that when "sexual preference" really becomes a "choice", there is no really strong preference to begin with. That would make social conditioning, life experiences, much more important.
Logically sexual preference should show up in charts. But I don't trust our data.
So long as society continues to "reward" people for being "straight", and continues to handicap them for being gay, many people will continue to hide their true feelings or "sexual orientation". And why shouldn't they? There is not yet an equal playing field, so those who are openly gay still take chances, still show unusual courage, in my view.
As long as that is so, we will always be on a wild goose-chase when looking for the truth in charts, because the charts we study will only show those who are open, which does not necessarily have anything to do with orientation.
Astrologer4U
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Re: The chart of a Gay man
I agree with all that you have said... However, I am with the belief that any sexual orientation is a choice and the choice is either or, of a conscious or subconscious nature. The 3rd house rules the conscious mind the the 12th house rules the subconscious mind. As far as the bigots are concerned, we can not concern with them because they are not free thinkers. Just because bigots are not free thinkers, that should not derail the free thinkers from seeking the truth. Truth is, we don't really have any proof as to how sexual orientation is derived, all we have are our opinions based on what we have observed but we have not observed the whole world. The so called animals used in the lab test to conduct the gay study and what not, those studies are bias. For one, if you mess with something long enough in an attempt to get it to go your way, in other words manipulation, finally it will go your way. Also, how about the other rats in different hemispheres of the world, why aren't they included in these studies?
Astrologer4U
gaer said:
I agree with all that you have said... However, I am with the belief that any sexual orientation is a choice and the choice is either or, of a conscious or subconscious nature. The 3rd house rules the conscious mind the the 12th house rules the subconscious mind. As far as the bigots are concerned, we can not concern with them because they are not free thinkers. Just because bigots are not free thinkers, that should not derail the free thinkers from seeking the truth. Truth is, we don't really have any proof as to how sexual orientation is derived, all we have are our opinions based on what we have observed but we have not observed the whole world. The so called animals used in the lab test to conduct the gay study and what not, those studies are bias. For one, if you mess with something long enough in an attempt to get it to go your way, in other words manipulation, finally it will go your way. Also, how about the other rats in different hemispheres of the world, why aren't they included in these studies?
Astrologer4U
Kaiousei no Senshi
Premium Member
Re: The chart of a Gay man
Do you actually read things? The rats weren't used for a "gay study" they underwent pregnancy in 0 gravity and the pups were misshapen. How that can possibly be "biased" is beyond me.
I'm not sure how the gravity rats experience in the Southern Hemisphere is any different than the gravity the rats here in the Northern get.
Do you actually read things? The rats weren't used for a "gay study" they underwent pregnancy in 0 gravity and the pups were misshapen. How that can possibly be "biased" is beyond me.
I'm not sure how the gravity rats experience in the Southern Hemisphere is any different than the gravity the rats here in the Northern get.
Astrologer4U
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Re: The chart of a Gay man
You are not supposed to be sure of it, that part was a joke, that is why I had a smiley face at the end, whichyou did not add to my quote...
Bottom line is this, any test conducted in the name of trying to figure out why people prefer the same sex is bias. If the test are not bias, test would also be conducted to try and figure out what makes one prefer sex with the opposite sex and so forth with all sexual orientations.
Astrologer4U
Kaiousei no Senshi said:
You are not supposed to be sure of it, that part was a joke, that is why I had a smiley face at the end, whichyou did not add to my quote...
Bottom line is this, any test conducted in the name of trying to figure out why people prefer the same sex is bias. If the test are not bias, test would also be conducted to try and figure out what makes one prefer sex with the opposite sex and so forth with all sexual orientations.
Astrologer4U
Kaiousei no Senshi
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Re: The chart of a Gay man
That is true and I do apologize if you meant another study, I just thought it was a bit too late in the game to be bringing up those tests from WAY back in the discussion, especially when that rat, 0 gravity one was the most recently brought up. My bad.
It doesn't, which was why I jumped on you after your whole "Biased gay animal tests, bah!" which I'm not sure how they're biased anyway. You may have had your testosterone filled rats, but I believe the animals called into discussion were unaltered sheep who only mated male/male.
I just highlighted what you said and copied and pasted it. Not my fault the smiley didn't carry over.
I don't believe that, but okay.
Who says there aren't? Just because we don't quote any doesn't mean there aren't any studies like this. Heck, thinking outside the box, perhaps they're doing both. Plus, the human studies were pre and post-natal observation of physical differences in the brain and such of gay and straight people. Again, I'm not sure how you can be biased when you're directly observing the different size/density of one person's hippocampus (sp?) compared to another.
I'm not sure how your shouts of "bias" can stand, to be honest, since I'm not sure how they are. At least they're taking the time to gather subjects and OBSERVE other than just SPECULATE which is something astrologers seem to enjoy doing.
That is true and I do apologize if you meant another study, I just thought it was a bit too late in the game to be bringing up those tests from WAY back in the discussion, especially when that rat, 0 gravity one was the most recently brought up. My bad.
It doesn't, which was why I jumped on you after your whole "Biased gay animal tests, bah!" which I'm not sure how they're biased anyway. You may have had your testosterone filled rats, but I believe the animals called into discussion were unaltered sheep who only mated male/male.
I just highlighted what you said and copied and pasted it. Not my fault the smiley didn't carry over.
I don't believe that, but okay.
Who says there aren't? Just because we don't quote any doesn't mean there aren't any studies like this. Heck, thinking outside the box, perhaps they're doing both. Plus, the human studies were pre and post-natal observation of physical differences in the brain and such of gay and straight people. Again, I'm not sure how you can be biased when you're directly observing the different size/density of one person's hippocampus (sp?) compared to another.
I'm not sure how your shouts of "bias" can stand, to be honest, since I'm not sure how they are. At least they're taking the time to gather subjects and OBSERVE other than just SPECULATE which is something astrologers seem to enjoy doing.