JUPITERASC
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JMO this interesting thread http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=66767 shows the necessity to define what is meant by the idea of 'Free Will'
Hey ShadowflashHey there, JUPITERASC....
Vaguely. The phrase 'prior to incarnation' infers some form of nebulous existenceBest analogy I've ever come across illustrates the crucial differentiation between what is decided at a soul level, prior to incarnation, and the free-will choices available to us as that incarnate human being
Our soul chooses (that which has often been called fate, destiny, etc.) the vehicle (body, aspects of psychoemotional persona) and the various "roads" (life circumstances) we will traverse, as well as the path-crossings with other incarnate human beings within them... Then it is *our choice,* always, how fast or slow to go upon those roads, whether we *at least appear to* turn off them altogether or stay on them and, of course, what we say, do and enact within the relationships we engage upon them.
Make any sense? .
That's a fun and useful storyBrings to mind an old story I once heard that, I'm sure, is meant to convey the all-encompassing bottom line of soul-level choice. A devotee approaches his guru to complain that he's overheard another devotee claiming that the guru told him his entire karma (or destiny, or the predicament of having pre-set roads to travel upon, so to speak) has been entirely absolved. The first devotee says, "But, guru, how can this be? You've often told us that one's karma or destiny cannot possibly be avoided?!" The guru smiles and says, "If this devotee's karma has been absolved, it can only be that it was his chosen destiny..." (soulgrowth plan)..."that his karma be absolved in this way. No other possibility exists."
Some say a natal chart is a continuum describing 'past events' as well as 'present vehicle' and 'future events'My understanding of this whole thing is that one's natal chart describes the "vehicle"...(the body, the psychoemotional makeup)....that's been chosen for this life, and that all predictive angles of astrology -- transits, solar arcs, progressions -- highlight the current life-circumstance atmosphere and potential realms of *choice* offered each of us as we travel these "roads" and "path crossings" of relationship...
Our soul chooses...
Space itself is then either 'composed of mass' and/or 'a form of mass' - otherwise space is 'not real'Souls do not exist. Nothing unreal exists.
Anything real has mass and takes up space.
Such a discussion could well focus on what is objectiveA discussion on Free Will should focus on what is objective, and what can be quantified and qualified objectively, and not esoteric subjectivity.
Another thing I've observed on this site is, individuals doubt in astrology. Many result to horary and natal readings for answers, but I've observed individuals state, they will pray and continue to seek God concerning the matter.
I believe this is a good!!! I believe God has the final say so!!! What this indicates to me is, the individuals know that astrology is simply science, and doesnt hold the final truth. They're inquiring for insight, not answers. I'm not attacking astrology (I'm here often), just stating my observation.
Space itself is then either 'composed of mass' and/or 'a form of mass' - otherwise space is 'not real'
Yes indeed, this is a mystery to all of us.
The believers think that it does work, the reverse for the non believers. No one can give the definite answer.
I think that is exactly part of the game so we then being put into the situation to make the decision as our own Free Will.
Pretty much the same message of the Wheel of Fortune in two different versions. The Wheel is Fixed=The Fate is fixed but how you view it that is up to you.
But the second version of the Wheel has a final answer which is to be Whole. The first one is the eternal wheel that has no completion and no ending....
PROBLEMS WITH ZERO http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRRolKTlF6QOf course Space is real...Space has mass.
Space is filled with Higgs Particles.
http://arxiv.org/pdf/1002.3966v3.pdf
Space can be "empty" or "not real" if, and only if, you have Zero Entropy and Zero Energy, which of course results in a Temperature of Zero.
You understand that is impossible, right? In other words, Zero Temperature means nothing at all exists.
My favorite book, The Little Prince, the best book for the child at heart. For those are interested can download the full version. The entire book explains why the child sees better than the adult who prefers facts, and why human suffers the way they suffering and lost their internal peace.
"Once when I was six years old I saw a magnificent picture in a book, called
True Stories from Nature, about the primeval forest. It was a picture of a boa
constrictor in the act of swallowing an animal. Here is a copy of the drawing.
In the book it said: “Boa constrictors swallow their prey whole, without
chewing it. After that they are not able to move, and they sleep through the
six months that they need for digestion.”
I pondered deeply, then, over the adventures of the jungle. And after some
work with a colored pencil I succeeded in making my first drawing. My Drawing
Number One. It looked like this:
I showed my masterpiece to the grown-ups, and asked them whether the
drawing frightened them.
But they answered: “Frighten? Why should any one be frightened by a
hat?”
My drawing was not a picture of a hat. It was a picture of a boa constrictor
digesting an elephant. But since the grown-ups were not able to understand it,
I made another drawing: I drew the inside of the boa constrictor, so that the
grown-ups could see it clearly. They always need to have things explained. My
Drawing Number Two looked like this....."
Here is the full PDF for download
http://cs.swan.ac.uk/~cswill/The_little_prince.pdf
Le Petite Prince is also my favorite book, viewed from a different perspective.
When reading it, it is important to note that the Prince didn't learn about his realationship with the Rose until he traveled the galaxy and gained perspective. Because now we see through a glass, darkly...
Souls do not exist. Nothing unreal exists. Anything real has mass and takes up space. A discussion on Free Will should focus on what is objective, and what can be quantified and qualified objectively, and not esoteric subjectivity.
Of course Space is real...Space has mass.
Space is filled with Higgs Particles.
http://arxiv.org/pdf/1002.3966v3.pdf
Space can be "empty" or "not real" if, and only if, you have Zero Entropy and Zero Energy, which of course results in a Temperature of Zero.
You understand that is impossible, right? In other words, Zero Temperature means nothing at all exists.