Dirius
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Re: Back to astrology
I agree on the competition part for example, but that doesn't also apply to pluto really. I mean we can look the flaws in Mars as ruler of Scorpio, but you can also find them in pluto 2.
I do think unfaithfullness does go hand in hand with scorpio. While it is true that people with Scorpio influence to engage in long lasting relationships, they do usually spent some time with people other than their spouses.
I think the view there comes more from, "I love you, I'll be unfaithfull, but you come first".
I have a friend, Asc+Sun scorpio, who is like this: he loves his GF with a passion, she is above anything else....he still keeps things on the side.
This actually represents Mars+Venus very well: mars did go off and hooked up with half of Greece....yet Venus always came first for him
I do agree also that mars is more the vengefull type, but I understand the "pluto scorpionic scheming", does make sense indeed, given pluto always conjuring up master plans, while mars is more head on vengance of savagery action.
Now for the sexual part of pluto there only reason it rules "sexuality" is this:
- Pluto is the lord of the underworld, thus it should rule the 8th house.
- Scorpio is traditionally the ruler of the 8th house, so pluto rules scorpio
- Scorpio is a sign usually identified with sexual misconduct (detriment of venus), so scorpio has affinity for sexuality.
- So pluto, rules sexuality.
It is a bit of a flawed statement, but that is the reason pluto is associated with sexuality. Lets be clear that pluto has never been identified much with sexuality in the mythical sense.
Clearly the venus/mars affair has always been identified with it.
I think the end story, is that while I could agree I can find some plutionian thiings relating well with scorpio, essentially more of the attributes are still in acordance to mars.
We can say for example:
Pluto = Scheming
Mars = Vengance, Posesive, Sexual, Confrontational.
So in the end mars relates much better with it. At least I see it that way
But I do understand why some authors would be bent on applying Scorpio to pluto, since scorpio is indeed a sign that could fit with it. It is just that mars already does better with it.
And I don't think the "co-ruler" think is an explanation either. Mars would rule Scorpio.
Okay, intense sexuality may look like something Mars and Scorpio have in common. The Mars intensity, however, is a rather obvious straight-forward and short-lived intensity whereas the Scorpio intensity has more subtle depth to it, is all-encompassing and can go on for a long period of time.
Now don't get hung up with the sexual aspect of Pluto. Folks went a little overboard with this, I think. However, since Pluto is all about depth and getting to the bottom of things and therefore hates anything superficial, it makes sense that Pluto would be associated with something like the sex drive as one of the most deeply rooted drives there is.
I'll post a more extensive list later. This is going to take a little more time than I initially expected.
I agree on the competition part for example, but that doesn't also apply to pluto really. I mean we can look the flaws in Mars as ruler of Scorpio, but you can also find them in pluto 2.
I do think unfaithfullness does go hand in hand with scorpio. While it is true that people with Scorpio influence to engage in long lasting relationships, they do usually spent some time with people other than their spouses.
I think the view there comes more from, "I love you, I'll be unfaithfull, but you come first".
I have a friend, Asc+Sun scorpio, who is like this: he loves his GF with a passion, she is above anything else....he still keeps things on the side.
This actually represents Mars+Venus very well: mars did go off and hooked up with half of Greece....yet Venus always came first for him
I do agree also that mars is more the vengefull type, but I understand the "pluto scorpionic scheming", does make sense indeed, given pluto always conjuring up master plans, while mars is more head on vengance of savagery action.
Now for the sexual part of pluto there only reason it rules "sexuality" is this:
- Pluto is the lord of the underworld, thus it should rule the 8th house.
- Scorpio is traditionally the ruler of the 8th house, so pluto rules scorpio
- Scorpio is a sign usually identified with sexual misconduct (detriment of venus), so scorpio has affinity for sexuality.
- So pluto, rules sexuality.
It is a bit of a flawed statement, but that is the reason pluto is associated with sexuality. Lets be clear that pluto has never been identified much with sexuality in the mythical sense.
Clearly the venus/mars affair has always been identified with it.
I think the end story, is that while I could agree I can find some plutionian thiings relating well with scorpio, essentially more of the attributes are still in acordance to mars.
We can say for example:
Pluto = Scheming
Mars = Vengance, Posesive, Sexual, Confrontational.
So in the end mars relates much better with it. At least I see it that way
But I do understand why some authors would be bent on applying Scorpio to pluto, since scorpio is indeed a sign that could fit with it. It is just that mars already does better with it.
And I don't think the "co-ruler" think is an explanation either. Mars would rule Scorpio.
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