progressions VS transits and logic

nis

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hi friends
i did not understood what is logic behind progressions ie,1 day for 1 year how can 1 day predict our future 1 year and secondly what is difference between progressions and transits as both move forword.please share your opinion

Regard's
Nis
 

Rushwing

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I'm still content using just transits and natal, however I am in that growth period with my own astrology practice, and someone later might be able to argue how progressions work very well.

I find that just the transits are complex enough to keep my on my toes. If you feel this way about your own practice, then don't worry, you don't have to use them if you don't want to.

Someone below me is about to make a really good argument for them though, I can feel it in the air. . . :happy:
 

Inconjunct

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Transits and solar returns indicate the actual state of the heavens at a given moment in time. Progressions and solar/lunar arc are more symbolic in nature. The "day for a year" has Biblical provenance

Ezekiel 4:6 ...'And when thou hast accomplished them, lie again on thy right side, and thou shalt bear the iniquity of the house of Judah forty days: I have appointed thee each day for a year.'

This probably means it is even more ancient than that, and possibly dates back to the earliest astrologers - the Babylonians.

We use symbolism in astrology all the time. For starters, charts are cast from a geocentric point of view when we know the solar system to be heliocentric (some astrologers work with heliocentric charts, but that's a very modern invention of dubious value IMO). The zodiac - as 12 equal portions of the ecliptic - does not exist in reality. Even the sidereal zodiac which claims to be mapped against the constellations isn't "real" in that the constellations do not take up equal 30 degree slices of the sky. The only "real" things in astrology are the planets.

So, given that, progressions are just another symbolic mechanism used in astrology. As a picture of the slow development of a person over the years, I think they work very well. Just don't expect them to predict events in the same way as transits do.
 

nis

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hi friends
thax for sharing your views."i think one can predict any event by using progressions which will give us yearly prediction and then we can study transits for the same year and progressions is macro concept and transits is micro"
Am i right?",have i understood right relationship between progressions and transits.i am really convinced "Ezekiel 4:6 ...'And when thou hast accomplished them, lie again on thy right side, and thou shalt bear the iniquity of the house of Judah forty days: I have appointed thee each day for a year.' " but did not understood logic behind.

Regard's
Nis
 
hi friends
i did not understood what is logic behind progressions ie,1 day for 1 year how can 1 day predict our future 1 year and secondly what is difference between progressions and transits as both move forword.please share your opinion

Regard's
Nis

progressed planets
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showpost.php?p=266189&postcount=8

progressed planets/charts are more 'internal' changes, evolvements rather than 'events or external' matters. I don't read prog charts as stand alones it's more important to see where these planets are moving in the natal chart

Your natal chart is like a photograph as unique as your fingerprint, BUT the 10planets in the sky have not stayed where they were in your natal chart, they have all moved. Predictive astrology is mostly maths where those 10planets are now and the mathematical aspects they make to your natal charts ie: 180'=opposition, 90'=square, 60'=sextile and 120'=trine.

So your personality, grows, develops, changes, matures as we get older, this is reflected by your sun sign changing from it's natal position to the next sign along, so does your Asc and MC sign change. In fact from sun to mars especially are important, as the outer planets really don't move much, using a 'day for a year' secondary progressions.

What's the difference between Transits and Progressions?
“Transits are the planets currently orbiting in the sky and the relationships they form to each other and additionally, to your chart. Transits happen for everyone. They're important and effect you personally when they contact a planet or point in your chart. Transits represent outside energy, things happening outside yourself. They describe external events and your responses to them. Progressions, however, move very slowly and are a natural progression of your original birth chart. The events and emotions they describe are part of you, deeply ingrained in your psyche, internal, and psychological. And as they form aspects, these inner feelings start to become more important and central to your life”
http://www.artcharts.com/learn_astrology/progressed.html

If you want to research more into Secondary progressions try here
http://cafeastrology.com/secondaryprogressions.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astrological_progression
http://www.aquamoonlight.co.uk/progressions.html
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=67
http://www.khaldea.com/rudhyar/astroarticles/progressionsinastrology.php
http://www.aquamoonlight.co.uk/progressions.html
http://astrolmass.com/progressions.htm
solar arcs & secondary progressions
http://www.kepler.edu/videos/0902SolarArc/Stathis_SolarArc_Feb09.pdf


The most important of progressed planets is of course, sun & moon and then upto mars, as the outer planets hardly move by progression. Now like with transits, solar arcs --- it's what these progressed planets are doing NOW by mathematical aspect to your natal planets and Angles that is ultimately important.

Also I would take this opportunity to mention there is a ‘plethora’ of information in every forum top, called 'stickys' which cover, explain in great depth what each forum is all about, plus we have an Education forum for further research..

Solar arcs are really simple, especially for beginners, just move the Angles, Asc, Desc, MC, IC 1' for each year of your life onto planets and vice versa. Not just used for rectification either. Under age 12 though these interpretations are directed towards family changes, maybe relocation, job changes, illnesses, additions to family etc.....

Further research on solar arcs try these threads.
Solar arcs are really simple, especially for beginners, just move the Angles, Asc, Desc, MC, IC 1' for each year of your life onto planets and vice versa. Not just used for rectification either. Under age 12 though these interpretations are directed towards family changes, maybe relocation, job changes, illnesses, additions to family etc.....

Further research on solar arcs try these threads.
http://www.kepler.edu/videos/0902SolarArc/Stathis_SolarArc_Feb09.pdf
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12024&highlight=solar+arcs
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12958&highlight=solar+arcs
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6691&highlight=solar+arcs
http://www.aquamoonlight.co.uk/rectification.html
http://www.frankstar.com/solararc.htm
http://thezodiac.com/arcs.htm
http://www.donmc.com/Comparing%20Transits%20and%20Solar%20Arcs%20II.htm
http://en.mimi.hu/astrology/solar_arc_directions.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astrological_progression

http://www.bernadettebrady.com/Pdfs/...tification.pdf
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12024&highlight=solar+arcs
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12958&highlight=solar+arcs
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6691&highlight=solar+arcs
http://www.aquamoonlight.co.uk/rectification.html
http://www.frankstar.com/solararc.htm
http://thezodiac.com/arcs.htm
http://www.donmc.com/Comparing%20Transits%20and%20Solar%20Arcs%20II.htm
http://en.mimi.hu/astrology/solar_arc_directions.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astrological_progression

http://www.bernadettebrady.com/Pdfs/...tification.pdf
 

Claire19

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hi friends
i did not understood what is logic behind progressions ie,1 day for 1 year how can 1 day predict our future 1 year and secondly what is difference between progressions and transits as both move forword.please share your opinion

Regard's
Nis
The transits are the planetary movements that are current and some planets move very quickly around the chart.
Progressions are necessarily slower and the outer planets do not vary much with this method......

I always use both but they must dovetail with the natal planets. i.e. transitting Neptune trine Sun, Progressed Neptune conjunct Sun and Natal Neptune sextile Sun.......for instance.... THat is a guarantee that the influences will be strong....and in what houses are affected.
I use no more than an orb of 3 degrees with transits and progressions.
 

nis

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Hi friends
Thank you for your replies.i wanted to construct progressions mannually.li'l confused about math involved in progresed chart construction,if you can help me out
ThANKS

Regard's
Nis
 

nis

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Hi friends
curiosity asked me the question that what is begging point on earth,i mean the place where suns ray first fall on earth and where date first changes.i thought it will be aries and will be greenwich what u think please share it

Regard's
NIS
 
The transits are the planetary movements that are current and some planets move very quickly around the chart.
Progressions are necessarily slower and the outer planets do not vary much with this method......

I always use both but they must dovetail with the natal planets. i.e. transitting Neptune trine Sun, Progressed Neptune conjunct Sun and Natal Neptune sextile Sun.......for instance.... THat is a guarantee that the influences will be strong....and in what houses are affected.
I use no more than an orb of 3 degrees with transits and progressions.

I use even less that that I' approaching, 1' exact and 1' departing. I don't feel progression trigger much *unless* the activate Angles ie: Asc/MC

Sometimes transits don't trigger anything externally either, but if you think something major could happen, it's always useful to see/use T mars cos I call him the 'ignition key'
 

nis

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Hi
i wanted to ask you friends do any one know how to "calculate progression mannually" as i know 1 day for 1 year and think ASC move 1deg every 1 day.i have attached my progressed chart for 22 days, and i think ASC should move 22deg but where i tried @astro.com it says 28deg.As my natal ASC is 4deg aries and @astro.com my progressed ASC is 2 deg taurs.can any one teach me step by step method or source from which i can learn as i went thru google but did not find anything.do astro.com provide math of progression as they calculate it
please help

Rgrd
Nis
 
Hi
i wanted to ask you friends do any one know how to "calculate progression mannually" as i know 1 day for 1 year and think ASC move 1deg every 1 day.i have attached my progressed chart for 22 days, and i think ASC should move 22deg but where i tried @astro.com it says 28deg.As my natal ASC is 4deg aries and @astro.com my progressed ASC is 2 deg taurs.can any one teach me step by step method or source from which i can learn as i went thru google but did not find anything.do astro.com provide math of progression as they calculate it
please help

Rgrd
Nis

ok, ASC does not progress 1' every year like sun does first off.

simply use an ephemeris, count 1day every year, don't bother doing saturn onwards as they hardly move inanyevent and the most important for progressions are sun/moon.

If you wanted to progress outers, then use solar arcs, very similar but moves 'every planet' 1'every year (no less important than inners) and very significant if involving Angles.

http://www.khaldea.com/ephemcenter.shtml

here is my favourite online ephemeris which plots where the planets are for hundreds of years...
 

nis

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Hi
thanks astrologer50,
But as you write"ASC does not progress 1' every year like sun does first off" then how i can go and construct accurately houses and ASC.thanks for showing path for planets but for houses?
secondly i born at 1.30am and if i use data from ephemeris say at noon then person born at 4am also will be having same pro.chart isn't it?
how to handle it

pls help

Rgrd
Nis
 
Hi
thanks astrologer50,
But as you write"ASC does not progress 1' every year like sun does first off" then how i can go and construct accurately houses and ASC.thanks for showing path for planets but for houses?
secondly i born at 1.30am and if i use data from ephemeris say at noon then person born at 4am also will be having same pro.chart isn't it? [this is the problem of doing things by hand, they are not going to be as accurate as a computer, are they? When you use the booklet 'Table of Houses' to find Asc degree you have to calculate the time difference]
how to handle it

pls help

Rgrd
Nis
I have to ask, why would you want to do all this 'by hand?' when astro does it all for you at the click of a button....

How to calculate a chart by hand http://www.astrologicallyspeaking.com/calculate.htm
 

nis

Well-known member
Hi
thanks astrologer50
actually wanted to learn how thinks are moving in prog.chart thats why i thought it is better to calculate it by hand rather then use astro.com

rgrd
Nis
 

nis

Well-known member
Hi
i wanted to ask you friends from where to collect data of planetary periods?
for ex suppose i want the data for mars-venues conjection as within how many months they 1st conjucts till last conjucts etc for all planets

pls help
Regar'd
Nis
 
Hi
i wanted to ask you friends from where to collect data of planetary periods?
for ex suppose i want the data for mars-venues conjection as within how many months[try days or week, they are far to quickly moving] they 1st conjucts till last conjucts etc for all planets

pls help
Regar'd
Nis

buy the ephemeris or use this one
http://www.khaldea.com/ephemcenter.shtml

here is my favourite online ephemeris which plots where the planets are for hundreds of years...
 

nis

Well-known member
Hi astrologer50,
i know by looking ephemeris i can know it but i want to know can we find out approx. conjuction of planets without using ephemeris.for ex say 2 planet conjeucts every 7 months so u can predict next conjuction on 14 months etc
 
Hi astrologer50,
i know by looking ephemeris i can know it but i want to know can we find out approx. conjuction of planets without using ephemeris.for ex say 2 planet conjeucts every 7 months so u can predict next conjuction on 14 months etc

you can SEE visually in the ephemeris :unsure:
 

nis

Well-known member
Hi astrologer50
did not understood "you can SEE visually in the ephemeris "
secondly i have an question pls tell me why and how this happens:
how signs rise at different time or some signs rise early and some late.i think its related to latitude?

pls help
 
depends on where you live, there will always be signs of short Ascension and signs of long ascension. Why should you be concerned over this? it doesn't even matter. What matters is learning the basics. Planets in signs, planets in houses, planets in aspects, hemispheres, elemental balances
 
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