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Okay. Perhaps it might be best for you not place yourself in the vicinty of what you perceive to be illegal activity?
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And horary should be illegal, because ?????
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Okay. Perhaps it might be best for you not place yourself in the vicinty of what you perceive to be illegal activity?
Thanks for your concern my dear, I can assure you I'm quite far from it ^^
In case you mean to avoid joining discussions in this forum section, well, like the title of my thread, my aim is to provoke, some thinking!
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And horary should be illegal, because ?????
Because if it was for a case we both have witnessed lately, someone who'd have gone by a horary accurate reading, could probably have died in the last London attack, just for instance.
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Thanks for your concern my dear, I can assure you I'm quite far from it ^^
In case you mean to avoid joining discussions in this forum section, well, like the title of my thread, my aim is to provoke, some thinking!
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Because if it was for a case we both have witnessed lately, someone who'd have gone by a horary accurate reading, could probably have died in the last London attack, just for instance.
Its a "Learning forum" everyone's at different stages on here in what they know about Astrology.

When your meant to die your meant to die anyway, regardless of any horary reading.
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Even if say for example you do a chart and you predict that everything will be fine, no attack will happen etc....but then there is one.

IF your not meant to die on that certain day, then you won't....somehow you'll not be harmed or death won't occur.

But if you are meant to die on that day, then even as much as you avoid some sort of catastrophe no matter how much you avoid it, you'll still be taken to that point. Death will still come for you regardless of where your hiding.

If your destiny is up, its up.

And if your into Astrology you must already know that everything is already mapped out for you, from day one.
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ladies and gentlemen,

we are a bunch of criminals according to aleth3ia

I will be back with jugs of bootlegged moonshine and answers to horaries in torrent forms

we still do not have a head of FBI so .... feel free to place your orders... below..

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All of astrology should be illegal! Jeez this stuff is crazy!
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Even if say for example you do a chart and you predict that everything will be fine, no attack will happen etc....but then there is one.

IF your not meant to die on that certain day, then you won't....somehow you'll not be harmed or death won't occur.

But if you are meant to die on that day, then even as much as you avoid some sort of catastrophe no matter how much you avoid it, you'll still be taken to that point. Death will still come for you regardless of where your hiding.

If your destiny is up, its up.

And if your into Astrology you must already know that everything is already mapped out for you, from day one.
Isn't the whole point of horary about answering a given question? That implies that no matter what you'll do, it'll turn out like that. Hm, no I don't agree with this.

Isn't the whole point of making horary questions, about knowing the future as well? Hm, ok, then, given that most good astrologers can't achieve such accuracy, if not by the same chance you'd have by tossing up a coin, then the answers should not be trusted. And that's just amazing to me, yay free will!

But since there are people that instead believe in those answers, and there are even people that are on a thin line between life and death all the time, that, it's true maybe that it's all written in the sky already and we have no responsibility in our materialistic means, like you say; but it's even true that you can help your own destiny, or in some cases, even destroy yourself, when none would have guessed that to happen, not even the stars... (the irony is that your own defeat could even be your best luck ever, and the other way around). This is just to say that an answer, said by someone we trust, can mean more that what we intended, and can even shape the so called destiny, that anyway, is a series of uncountable steps along which we recognize some major events.... but it's steps that WE make, influenced by the stars, sure, along with 10 hundreds other things, the words we listen influence us as well, etc... it all has a consequence. Even a bad prediction. (Letting alone all the bad fame for astrology since so many important predictions are wrong!)

Now if I rely on someone about the future, in the areas I'm very interested in, and for which I'm then very supsceptible, or even, like for the Manchester thread, in most mundane areas where you're supposed to have no control (but you're there anyway, it's you there, isn't it a choice, somehow?), I'll trust the response.
Say I ask, "should I visit this place the next month? is it safe?" and the answer is "yes go!", then I'll go, and if I die because the astrologer was actually wrong and there's a terroristic attack, then is it destiny? Of course it is lol, but that astrologer was a bit nuts. Could I have avoided that?
Hm maybe, if the astrologer gave me right answer. If I ask "is he in love with me?" and he tells me "no way", while instead the guy I like is mad in love with me, but happens to be a lame nerd who has never approached anyone, shy as hell, and will never talk to me, so I'll never know... because I already believed what an astrologer told me. Silly examples... but they happen daily. And they're kinda dangerous.

Why do bad predictions happen on a regular basis I wonder, while the astrological chart analysis tend to ring true most of the times?
Are you really sure you can predict the future, as if it's all a matter of stars design? I had predicted the victory of Trump in the last elections, without using any wheels, just a little sense.
I told that to people close to me, I didn't hit the news with that, why would I want to influence someone, not knowing myself how it can turn out?

Yeah, we can all predict doom and the flames of hell, but no one with a 50 years old experience with human beings would do that, because, let's just hope something better is gonna happen! Even if the signals are all bad...

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ladies and gentlemen,

we are a bunch of criminals according to aleth3ia

I will be back with jugs of bootlegged moonshine and answers to horaries in torrent forms

we still do not have a head of FBI so .... feel free to place your orders... below..

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astrology criminals, hell yeah. but you can share the sit with the daily horoscopes on the newspaper~
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astrology criminals, hell yeah. but you can share the sit with the daily horoscopes on the newspaper~
Wth have u been smoking????
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Because if it was for a case we both have witnessed lately, someone who'd have gone by a horary accurate reading, could probably have died in the last London attack, just for instance.
Then it should also be illegal for stock brokers to advise someone where to invest their money, and for physicians to make a diagnosis that would require corrective surgery---because it might not work.
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Weather predictions should be illegal! They're often wrong, and that can lead to lack of preparation for things like hazardous road conditions.
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Thanks for your concern my dear, I can assure you I'm quite far from it ^^
In case you mean to avoid joining discussions in this forum section, well, like the title of my thread, my aim is to provoke, some thinking!
Glad to bother

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I suppose I misunderstood. Your title is not a question, to promote discussion. It is a statement:

Horary should be illegal.

If you really wanted to promote civil discourse, rather than provoke, then you perhaps might have had a title that posed a question, like "Should horary be illegal?"?

I do see you are "glad to bother." On several threads. You may wish to take a look at that sometime... if you really want to promote discussion instead of provoking.
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Then it should also be illegal for stock brokers to advise someone where to invest their money, and for physicians to make a diagnosis that would require corrective surgery---because it might not work.
Brokers or surgeons got nothing to do with astrology, but get informed, theres something called "hyppocratres rules" to which a real doctor has to apply up to today.. its just about ethics. Brokers are often on the edge of illegality, thats well known, bad investestements are easily avoidable, and no good broker could suggest risky ones, because they're unethic.
To predict the future is illegal, for real, in some parts of the world. And theres really a thing called ethic that applies to astrology as well, and that implies not to harm anyone. It is required to be followed if ull get any kind of astrology "diploma". Bad predictions of the future can hurt people, as u said. And that future telling prediction, in astrology, falls under the name of "horary".

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Brokers or surgeons got nothing to do with astrology, but get informed,
theres something called "hyppocratres rules"
to which a real doctor has to apply up to today.. its just about ethics.

That's a very important point




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Brokers are often on the edge of illegality, thats well known, bad investestements are easily avoidable, and no good broker could suggest risky ones, because they're unethic.
To predict the future is illegal, for real, in some parts of the world.
And theres really a thing called ethic that applies to astrology as well
and that implies not to harm anyone.
It is required to be followed if ull get any kind of astrology "diploma".
Bad predictions of the future can hurt people, as u said.
And that future telling prediction, in astrology, falls under the name of "horary".

Applies to astrologers and in fact to all:



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It took u 2 days to insult me further? Why doesnt anyone gave me a valid answer for this thread but instead everyone felt the need to attack me somehow? Did u see this? Or got blinded by the title? Yes, it was a provocation, and yes, im a blunt as f sagi with mars in gemini, u can imagine how much i get turn3d on by all this mental exchange, but if u really had paid a bit of attebtion, since u saw me around ; ))), ud know i always try to make some points. Theyre usually pretty easy and follow common sense, thats why i get so heated to answer them, it annoys me to see people following nonsense, and because i value astrology i believe that the word ethic should be applied to it, too. But i said this in another thread, pity u didnt see that. And, I really dont like the arguments in here, u might think i enjoy them, since theres one wherever i go... but why should i get in line to what all other people on here think? Not to offend anyone? i didnt want to offend anyone with this thread, just a field of astrology that should be questioned. I love discussing things i like, u can blame me for that.

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I think you need to remember that this board is populated largely by amateurs, and also - about 80%+ of the questions asked are not proper horary. Nor are they properly asked.

So...based on a bunch of astrology enthusiasts not getting predictions correct, you want us to have the same laws about astrology here as they do in Saudi? Nice.

I've found most personality analysis by modern astrology to be anywhere from misleading to downright harmful, so I engage in very little of it. If you feel horary is harmful, don't engage in it. Or start reading Masha'allah, Sahl, Bonatti, ibn Ezra, al Kindi. What they were doing, you don't often see here, but it will show you how it ought to be done.

Arguably, horary is one of the more simple forms of astrology. But people tend to not ask the real question, let bias get in the way, use horary when they should be looking at mundane, etc.

Or if astrology in general offends you - don't practise astrology.
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I think you need to remember that this board is populated largely by amateurs, and also - about 80%+ of the questions asked are not proper horary. Nor are they properly asked.

So...based on a bunch of astrology enthusiasts not getting predictions correct, you want us to have the same laws about astrology here as they do in Saudi? Nice.

I've found most personality analysis by modern astrology to be anywhere from misleading to downright harmful, so I engage in very little of it. If you feel horary is harmful, don't engage in it.
Or start reading Masha'allah, Sahl, Bonatti, ibn Ezra, al Kindi.
What they were doing, you don't often see here,
but it will show you how it ought to be done.


Arguably, horary is one of the more simple forms of astrology. But people tend to not ask the real question, let bias get in the way, use horary when they should be looking at mundane, etc.

Or if astrology in general offends you - don't practise astrology.
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I think you need to remember that this board is populated largely by amateurs, and also - about 80%+ of the questions asked are not proper horary. Nor are they properly asked.

So...based on a bunch of astrology enthusiasts not getting predictions correct, you want us to have the same laws about astrology here as they do in Saudi? Nice.

I've found most personality analysis by modern astrology to be anywhere from misleading to downright harmful, so I engage in very little of it. If you feel horary is harmful, don't engage in it. Or start reading Masha'allah, Sahl, Bonatti, ibn Ezra, al Kindi. What they were doing, you don't often see here, but it will show you how it ought to be done.

Arguably, horary is one of the more simple forms of astrology. But people tend to not ask the real question, let bias get in the way, use horary when they should be looking at mundane, etc.

Or if astrology in general offends you - don't practise astrology.
I think that reading transits is way "easier" than horary, just because u dont need to learn any new rule to interpret them. Using the word "easy" is very demeaning for practices that require an extreme in-sight and a lot of time to get aquainted to them. Ive just used the word sight, i think its essential to make any reading, u need to SEE (in english lang its even used to mean "i understand"= i see) before you can SAY. This means you have to see, before you can tell...and thats not for amateurs, neither for anyone (again, see under ethics); indeed i dont believe its impossible to make predictions, it just requires so much insight and efforts, to get them right, that its better to not discount the all process with horary "simple" tekniques, as u say. You suggested all of these people, but they're so old... so many things have changed from those times, and what they said was so much circumsribed to their society, that those interpretations result outdated, now. Not to count that transists indicate dispositions, latent energies and possible areas of interest, not certain specific answers about what is gonna happen. Such a practice requires u to think that we human beings have no control upon our lives... thats just plain nonsense to me.

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I think that reading transits is way "easier" than horary, just because u dont need to learn any new rule to interpret them. Using the word "easy" is very demeaning for practices that require an extreme in-sight and a lot of time to get aquainted to them. Ive just used the word sight, i think its essential to make any reading, u need to SEE (in english lang its even used to mean "i understand"= i see) before you can SAY. This means you have to see, before you can tell...indeed i dont believe its impossible to make predictions, it just requires so much insight and efforts, to get them right, that its better to not discount the all process with horary "simple" tekniques, as u say. You suggested all of these people, but they're so old... so many things have changed from those times, and what they said was so much circumsribed to their society, that those interpretations result outdated, now. Not to count that transists indicate dispositions, latent energies and possible areas of interest, not certain answers about what is gonna happen. Such a practice requires u to think that we human beings have no whatsover control upon our lives... thats just plain nonsense to me.

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Think of Horary as a sort of weather report. It doesn't mean you can't do something, or something won't work out well, but that the Astrologically-determined conditions are or aren't optimal. We all know about Mercury-retrograde being an adverse condition for travel, contracts, and communication--doesn't mean you can't do those things, just that "caution is advised". Horary does rely on what Jung called "Synchronicity", whereby the actual moment a question is asked is given extreme importance.
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Isn't the whole point of horary about answering a given question? That implies that no matter what you'll do, it'll turn out like that. Hm, no I don't agree with this.

Isn't the whole point of making horary questions.......
You are talking about predictions done on a free site by amateur astrologers and very frequent and obsesive bored posters, which more often than not do not follow the proper guidelines.

If you want an accurate answer, readings should not be done on self cast charts, they should not be given to posters that make multiple charts each week, and should not be free (the fact it costs nothing makes people ask about things they don't even care about).

This forum section is more of a practice site, for people to learn. Thus a high degree of innacuracy is expected.

As for the matter of free will: horary is not the one that determines what will happen. You are. Horary just shows you how the situation you ask about will unfold as it was decided by the querent and quesited.

To give you an example: if a person does not love the querent, its not the stars that decide that factor, they simply show the reality of the situation.
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Isn't the whole point of making horary questions, about knowing the future as well? Hm, ok, then, given that most good astrologers can't achieve such accuracy, if not by the same chance you'd have by tossing up a coin, then the answers should not be trusted. And that's just amazing to me, yay free will!
The basis of this example si that you are asking horary what to do about a certain situation. This is not how horary works.

Horary shows you how things unfold, but you can't really ask "should I do this or do that?" that is still up to you. The chart provies an answer of the outcomes on the particular context of what you may find beneficial for yourself, but the choice is still yours.

Most people rely on the chart to make the choice for them, which as I said before, is not a proper use of horary.

Maybe you are at some stage with a chart that presents an option between two jobs. In one you will become rich and unhappy, in the other poor but will have a happy family. The chart will merely show you both options. If choose an option that doesn't appeal to you in the end, its not the charts fault.

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But since there are people that instead believe in those answers, and there are even people that are on a thin line between life and death all the time, that, it's true maybe that it's all written in the sky already and we have no responsibility in our materialistic means, like you say; but it's even true that you can help your own destiny, or in some cases, even destroy yourself, when none would have guessed that to happen, not even the stars... (the irony is that your own defeat could even be your best luck ever, and the other way around). This is just to say that an answer, said by someone we trust, can mean more that what we intended, and can even shape the so called destiny, that anyway, is a series of uncountable steps along which we recognize some major events.... but it's steps that WE make, influenced by the stars, sure, along with 10 hundreds other things, the words we listen influence us as well, etc... it all has a consequence. Even a bad prediction. (Letting alone all the bad fame for astrology since so many important predictions are wrong!)
But something in your biological impulse is making the querent ask the chart in the first place. Thus the trigger for the series of events that proceed still originate from the querent's will. You are also the one that chooses to either ignore or follow what the chart says.

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Now if I rely on someone about the future, in the areas I'm very interested in, and for which I'm then very supsceptible, or even, like for the Manchester thread, in most mundane areas where you're supposed to have no control (but you're there anyway, it's you there, isn't it a choice, somehow?), I'll trust the response.
Say I ask, "should I visit this place the next month? is it safe?" and the answer is "yes go!", then I'll go, and if I die because the astrologer was actually wrong and there's a terroristic attack, then is it destiny? Of course it is lol, but that astrologer was a bit nuts. Could I have avoided that?
Hm maybe, if the astrologer gave me right answer. If I ask "is he in love with me?" and he tells me "no way", while instead the guy I like is mad in love with me, but happens to be a lame nerd who has never approached anyone, shy as hell, and will never talk to me, so I'll never know... because I already believed what an astrologer told me. Silly examples... but they happen daily. And they're kinda dangerous.
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Its a matter of technique, good medium and bad. This is why you don't ask important questions on an amateur astrology forum.

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Why do bad predictions happen on a regular basis I wonder, while the astrological chart analysis tend to ring true most of the times?
Are you really sure you can predict the future, as if it's all a matter of stars design? I had predicted the victory of Trump in the last elections, without using any wheels, just a little sense.
I told that to people close to me, I didn't hit the news with that, why would I want to influence someone, not knowing myself how it can turn out?

Yeah, we can all predict doom and the flames of hell, but no one with a 50 years old experience with human beings would do that, because, let's just hope something better is gonna happen! Even if the signals are all bad...
Anything can be predicted by common sense, astrology is not needed for everything. The reason you see so many idiotic questions here is because its free, and people post out of boredom.
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