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Unread 09-19-2018, 04:39 AM
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Re: What is your mars like and how assertive are you?

There's a lot of softening aspects in your chart - Taurus is on the ascendant and it is a Ying sign and a Venusian and Lunar sign. Your ascendant ruler is Venus conjunct the Moon quite closely and it cannot regard the ascendant from its sign placement - both rulers of the sign in an averse condition to the sign ruled shows that the house will have a hard time with manifestating in a way that's beneficial to the native. Further, the conjunction occurs in the sign of Gemini - a sign which is double-bodied and is therefore not inclined to the robustness of fixed signs or the direct and swift action of cardinal signs.

Your Mars is cadent and in detriment, and while you do have your Saturn in exaltation, this Saturn is out-of-sect and afflicting your Mars - Saturn overpowers your Mars and as this Saturn isn't inclined toward you , it might have the effect of paralysing/freezing your martial tendencies - your self-assertion, your desires, your actions.

You also have a decent amount of Cancer going on - which leads back to the Venus/Moon conjunction that is a very powerful force in your chart.

The chart has to be read holistically. Of the persons that I noted with the Libra preponderance were Vladimir Putin, Adolf Hitler, Margaret Thatcher, Dwight Eisenhower and Ghenghis Khan (really speculative chart mark you). Libra preponderance but configured quite differently from your chart.

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@conspiracy theorist

Thank for valuable time for reading my chart. So basically to know the story we have to see the whole chart. That's why my Libra Stellium fail. Sadly I will never be able to become Hitler II. 😉

Yea, I am too soft and fickle too.
You mentioned that Venus and Moon Combination is good. But I don't know where to put this to get better results for myself. 😖
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Re: What is your mars like and how assertive are you?

The last time we spoke about your chart, you basically said that you wished you could do something with your aspects but you couldn't tell me the reason why you didn't take action.

The ball is in your court my man. Nothing will change without your consent.
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Still failed to take any action yet. 😟
I'm always feel myself as Fatalist.
Only major event and time can change me.
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Iím not totally surprised about what you wrote of Libra. Just from my personal experience with Libras they never seem to be doormats, but often use fairly sophisticated manipulations to achieve their power. Pretty aggressive in their own way, just not in the Aries way.

The main difference appears to be that they are more socially integrated and aware. A lot of what they do is for the good of the larger community or with the benefit of more than themselves in mind. So I guess I like to think of learning Libra lessons in that way, possibly more than my own sense of being vulnerable and yielding or not, but just in keeping more than myself and my own needs at the forefront

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Unread 09-21-2018, 11:55 PM
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Re Saturn and Libra - you underestimate just how much a force Libra can be when it decides to take on its less yielding aspects....There was a thread on here in recent memory that asked about which signs had the most success in warfare and political power/hegemony and among the markers there seemed to be a preponderance of Libra/Libra stelliums - which personally I didn't find surprising.
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I am not surprised either. Libra is traditionally viewed as all sugar, spice, beauty and all the superficial elements mainstream astrology attributes it to.

But Libra is also the cardinal sign of strategy, and strategy underpins both Politics and Business. Law and Warfare. And Chess. To succeed in a complex venture, you must have a strong strategy in place that has analyzed many elements, moves and possibilities, all without emotional bias.

The reason people underestimate the archetype of Libra is because of covert versus overt energy. Archetypical Aries energy is overt, brash and confrontational, relying on brunt attack. It's displayed in our face, so we assign strength and power to that sign. But Libra energy is more covert, it's assets and power isn't so bluntly displayed. It relies on analysis and a strategic plan of action. The moves are smooth and harmonious, seemingly like nothing, but part of a much bigger picture, with ample results.

In Warfare, Aries would be the soldiers, marching on courageously. But Libras would be the generals and consultants, that analyzes the landscape, the enemy, both party's strength and weaknesses, thens draws up a plan that maximize its own strength and counter's the enemy's, and leads the enemy to where they want them to go.

The ability to see all sides of the equation, and the opposing parties point of view are assets. It allows you to see beyond yourself, and to predict what the other party will do. Thereby allowing you to counter, control and manipulate the situation at hand.

When we add Saturn to the picture (Saturn in libra) you also get farsightedness. One who not only can comprehend the high level summary of an existing situation in the short-range, but also project into the future how decisions and actions will affect longer-range goals and objectives.

Those skills are critical for complex ventures, especially involving an opposing party (politics, law, business, war).

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Unread 09-22-2018, 10:48 AM
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Re: What is your mars like and how assertive are you?

My mars is in Virgo with Venus in 11th house at the top of the chart. I can't stand any injustice or fighting or cruelty. Virgo is weak with health. It needs a very vitamin rich diet with physical activity. Lots of allergies and sensitivities with any toxins. Has to be natural. This in itself is a weakness, because if conditions were poor, and mars in Virgo couldn't get their rich food supply, their bodies would fall apart.
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Re: What is your mars like and how assertive are you?

Oh and as for assertiveness, I find it doesn't work on many types like Pisces dominant types because they delude themselves regarding boundaries, authority, restrictions and discipline. For instance with me and mother in law. I give a consequence and she claims I'm deluded and she walks away (projection). She has Venus mars and sun in Pisces. The police once caught her for not having her seat belt on and she said it was her daughters fault because she pressed the button whilst she was driving. She then stated how much she cares for her children and makes sacrifices (all Pisces) and then plays the victim as a helpless woman (all Pisces), and then gets away with. Sometimes as a mars Virgo I also find that when I give consequences these Pisces/neptunian/Jupiter ppl tell u what u want hear and then go do something else. Then when u confront them they play dumb and say they had no idea or they give vague responses or they simply say they like it better their way.. So assertion doesn't work for everyone.
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Unread 11-04-2018, 06:39 PM
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Mars in Gemini. In real life, I am quite timid and reserved (Pisces ascendant), however, I am very verbally aggressive online. I get mixed up with people on forums very frequently.
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Re: What is your mars like and how assertive are you?

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Mars in Virgo 1st house....conjunct moon and AC, square MC and Venus, sextile Mercury and Pluto, trine Uranus and Neptune...so it has a lot of energy loaded onto it

In my Mars-moon conjunct, Mars leads so my actions are very much loaded with the emotional tides of the moon. But I was never very assertive as a child. I had some incidents tho and I was very very argumentative. I, even more so than other children, didn't want to listen to anyone in 'authority'. I was my own authority. But at some point I became shy and assertiveness is something I've had to develop as I've gotten older

Assertiveness hasn't only been about my interactions with people, tho. My mom instilled in me from a very very young age the ideals of a fighter and as I've gotten older, they've been adopted into my basal being. Assertiveness to me is about how we go about life and achieving what we want and in that sense, I'm extremely assertive. I guess being cardinal heavy also helps

If I want something and know intuitively it's right for me, I'll get it. It doesn't matter the obstacles or who tries to get in my way, I will get it. I won't say 'I hope' or 'I'll try'..I'll say 'I will'. Since my moon is there supporting my Mars, a lot of this is about passion. I let my passion take the wheel as much as I let my intuition take the wheel in my actions. So everything I do comes from a place of intuition and passion. Because my actions come from such a deep place, I can be strikingly assertive. But when I don't feel them deep inside me, I'm likely not to be that assertive

Despite how demure I may seem, I'm actually very selfassured, sure of what I want and that I'm worthy of it and I'm not submissive. I'm very dominant. It's just that I'm very quiet until someone does something that crosses my boundaries

I wouldn't say I'm a leader, tho. I'm more of a lone wolf. I prefer to do things alone, but being an 11th houser, I see the value in bringing people into my 'crusade' since we all have unique abilities

I've been told that my emotions can be seen in my eyes since I tend to hold them in, anger being the most visible one, so my eyes will smolder and in my face, it's quite evident when I'm angry and cannot be pushed further lest I burst. I don't have a lot of patience. I'm very sweet generally, but I really don't have a lot of patience at all

Oh yeah...Anger tends to build up and explode to the point of breaking and throwing things
Upon deeper analysis, the ruling sign Mercury is gonna play its part. That's where I think the real friction comes in since it's in opposition to Uranus and Neptune, trining Pluto, and back around sextiling my Mars. Since Pluto's in my 3rd house in addition, I think there's more a tendency for me to fight with words or the mind, but with the Earthiness of Virgo, there's this frustration, a need for physical release. There may be a tendency toward manipulation(which I believe comes from Scorpio/Pluto), but I know my weaknesses

I feel like that Uranus opposition in particular adds an unpredictable nature to me. I don't know how my reactions will manifest, how my anger will express itself. I'm typically able to assert myself and my boundaries in a very selfassured fashion, but other times there's a marked madness to my energy

I find myself very much in need of something physical despite my cerebral nature. I'm both cerebral and physical with that Earthiness, but there's that frustration still in finding the right means of expression which I think may be typical with the Virgoishness. That's why my emotions may be so visible in my eyes and the energy I'm projecting through the brooding. Plus, I find myself gathering that anger and acting out against myself more often than against others so it becomes very self destructive

I mentioned there's a connection to the 8th house since Aries rules it so I think that adds another layer for me. On one hand, I can be manipulative and obsessive. On another, intense emotions are incredibly transformative for me

Assertiveness isn't something that came easily to me as a child, but it's something I've had to grow as I've gotten older and I've done it and still am

I have a tough time figuring myself out as I'm many, many things. But I don't think my mars energy is expressed as beneficially as one would assume with it being in the 1st house. But then, that's the beauty of astrology. We find our soft spots and we make them hard


Overall, I think the path of transformation has been finding the right means of expression, appropriate and creative rather than destructive and obsessive and so intense I get swept away and lose myself

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Mars Scorpio in 11th square Venus, semi square Jupiter and Neptune. I'm not assertive at all. Don't like confrontation. Anger explodes like a volcano occasionally. Likes cars and driving.
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Unread 11-18-2018, 02:53 AM
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Mars Scorpio in 11th square Venus, semi square Jupiter and Neptune. I'm not assertive at all. Don't like confrontation. Anger explodes like a volcano occasionally. Likes cars and driving.
Do you have a bad tolerance for societal injustice and stupid standards, large structures/groups/organizations? Or atleast find yourself at the unfavorable end of these areas?

I'm trying to figure out if Mars points towards wounded areas. I also have it in the 11th house and I'm not assertive, don't like confrontation, but because of who I am I am easily triggered by injustice or petty nonsense in 11th house matters. I also have Chiron in the 11th though so its hard to see how my Mars energy plays into my persona
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Unread 11-18-2018, 11:22 PM
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Re: What is your mars like and how assertive are you?

I'm a Scorpio 12th Sun conjunct Scorpio Rising, Sag Mars 13 degrees conjunct Sag Jupiter 17 Degrees in the 1st house, both square 4th house Saturn in Pisces. Mars Inconjunct Cap Uranus in the 3rd.

So, I'm a person with a pretty dual outward personality. I can be very assertive(Strong Mars, Sun Conj. Asc), or too imaginatively observant to care(12th Sun, Cap Uranus), or straight up fumbling/vacuous with my words and footing(Square Saturn). I'm naturally friendly and bubbly even with some people or perturbed or phlegmatic by the energy of other people. I can also directly offer clear advice to people in very hard times. I'm Scorpio Rising 18 degrees.(Pisces Decanate) I am generally pretty intently driven and very full of energy that cant wait to be released, however I usually discipline and reserve that energy because I have trouble making the direction in my mind mapped out to expand the way i'd like(Square Saturn) I also have a lot of nervous Saturnian energy that causes me to feel stiff in this regard.

However when I let go of restrained thoughts + behavior(Incjt Uranus, Squ Sat, Con Jupiter) in favor of my free-leaving and explorative energy(Mars-Jup), my Mars bounds in happiness and full-body waves, and I speak very loudly and wittily with people(Sag, Jup Trine Midheaven).

I also have Venus 7degre Conj. Mars in 1st. Attentively Assertive yet nimble sensuality in that aspect.


However, I also have Scor. Pluto in the 1st Conj Venus. Aggression runs in my veins like the streams of a river at times. My stature would fool you but I am ready to war and battle with the things and people that oppose me in life or threaten my affections. I feel it like the impending/expounding roar of a warrior in some regards. The Mars is complimentary in this aspect, esp as a Scorpio-born. I've been known as a Commander type, or as a Soldier. but as i said, I have a polarizing and shifting personality

Lots of Factors!

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Re: What is your mars like and how assertive are you?

My Mars is... strange. It's my chart ruler, the focal point of a T-square with Sun and Pluto, and in 5H. But it's also at 0 degree Virgo. It's a constant struggle between wanting to be the center of attention and blending into the crowd.



I also have the urge to provide practical help to people. I don't do well with soft words (retrograte Mercury squares Saturn and inconjuncts MC). I help people by solving the problems at hand. If I can't find any solution, I just move back and leave people alone. I may put off people who just want reassurance.
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I like my mars better these days, i don't know maybe it's because it's currently transiting in Aquarius which is its draconic position. I have mars in leo and even though i don't like showing it i do like showing off lool just for fun. I like having fun.
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Unread 11-23-2018, 08:11 PM
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Re: What is your mars like and how assertive are you?

Mars Sag/2, conj. Sun Cap/3. A "bit" OTT. A softer sell should be a goal of mine. Often seems to push for something other than what I really want. I'm not very fixed in my assertiveness because I can become distracted and lose interest or randomly change objective. I don't really understand myself well enough to explain this.

My oldest son compared me to a guy who when fighting for something, even something I'm passionate about, will go into battle and throw my shield and spear at whoever/whatever opposes me. Then I'll have nothing left to fight with for what I want, *stomp off!* "okay; fine!" and go do something stupid that now creates a "situation" and I still didn't get what I want.

He's disturbingly observative.

Even though I have no aspect between Mercury and Mars, I say the damnest things when I'm upset, frustrated or stressed. Mercury trine Jupiter. As you all know, Jupiter rules Sag, so maybe that aspect functions like Mercury/Mars in Sag aspect?!

I can really, really want something and not be able to stop thinking and talking about it, but (and I'm not proud of this) when I get *that* I want another one or something else or something else would make it better and all the options of them together!

Since I recall a time where I was more reflective, easier to please with no expectations and generally more careful with my words, I wonder if something in my natal chart was holding the expression of my Mars back before? When and why did that change? That's obviously something I should look into. But I'm already trying to do too many things.

Oh, someone with Mars in Gemini said they get mixed up in forums quite frequently - I tend to shy away from conflicts online. I don't instigate conflict offline/irl but face-to-face I'm NOT quiet and won't easily back down!
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Mars in Scorpio and not very. I hate conflict and will do what I can to avoid it.
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Mars in Cancer. Stubborn, avoids confrontation, and utterly passive-aggressive
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Mars Sag/2, conj. Sun Cap/3. A "bit" OTT. A softer sell should be a goal of mine. Often seems to push for something other than what I really want. I'm not very fixed in my assertiveness because I can become distracted and lose interest or randomly change objective. I don't really understand myself well enough to explain this.

My oldest son compared me to a guy who when fighting for something, even something I'm passionate about, will go into battle and throw my shield and spear at whoever/whatever opposes me. Then I'll have nothing left to fight with for what I want, *stomp off!* "okay; fine!" and go do something stupid that now creates a "situation" and I still didn't get what I want.

He's disturbingly observative.

Even though I have no aspect between Mercury and Mars, I say the damnest things when I'm upset, frustrated or stressed. Mercury trine Jupiter. As you all know, Jupiter rules Sag, so maybe that aspect functions like Mercury/Mars in Sag aspect?!

I can really, really want something and not be able to stop thinking and talking about it, but (and I'm not proud of this) when I get *that* I want another one or something else or something else would make it better and all the options of them together!

Since I recall a time where I was more reflective, easier to please with no expectations and generally more careful with my words, I wonder if something in my natal chart was holding the expression of my Mars back before? When and why did that change? That's obviously something I should look into. But I'm already trying to do too many things.

Oh, someone with Mars in Gemini said they get mixed up in forums quite frequently - I tend to shy away from conflicts online. I don't instigate conflict offline/irl but face-to-face I'm NOT quiet and won't easily back down!
Omg this is my mother in law to a t. She has mars conjunct sun in Pisces.
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Re: What is your mars like and how assertive are you?

Mars in gemini, I love debating for fun. But my moon is in gemini also so I find conflict makes me wanna run away and hide haha. Also, if I go after something aggressively and get rejected, I take it too personally.
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Unread 11-27-2018, 02:14 AM
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Re: What is your mars like and how assertive are you?

I'm rather new to interpreting things so bear with me...my Mars (and Venus) are both 19 degrees in Cancer in the 5th...and I have a grand water trine...so...I feel my assertiveness comes from the Sagittarius I have in my chart...midheaven and in black moon Lilith. I will fight to great extreme for what is right and if I'm crossed.
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Re: What is your mars like and how assertive are you?

Mars in Capricorn in the 1st, conj. Asc, Merc, Neptune. Sextiles Saturn in the 2nd.

Not sure if assertive by nature, but I have a great deal of energy. I like respect. I notice people want to be led oftentimes, for some reason, and will sometimes look up to me.

I notice it but I usually don't play that role. I believe in making people independent while maintaining respect through concepts and "superiority of thoughts" rather than telling them what to do. If what I say falls in place and helps them, that's great.

I am very combative though and I will protect what I believe in. It's pretty spiritually/natural linked and time is modifying it accordingly, so I'm not worried about the "correctitude" of what I feel or if it's real or not. These are things one should solve by the time they get past 22 (age). I just instinctively know what sort of things are off and can track back their origins (Sun Jupiter in the 12th of Sagi). This is literally the secret of "interpreting the future". You track the conflicts and trends of present times and judge whether they are being solved or worsened while leaving enough room for "change" or interpretation.

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Now that I look back, all the ppl I knew with harmonious aspects to mars had no problem or opposition asserting themselves. In my chart I have a few squares to my mars. Those planets squaring mars represent ppl in my life. The problem I find is not in being able to assert myself. Its that those ppl choose not to respect any of my needs and choose to oppose me. That's the difference I find. Its not so much that there is anything wrong with my style. Its more that those ppl are opposed me for their own personal reasons and choose not to respect me. So I find my mars has to isolate itself quite abit. Far away from those disrespectful ppl. My mars has one harmonious aspect to my 3rd ruler. I find my brother and cousins have a high level of respect for me and in fact they idolise me. So its just how it happens to be. It doesn't help that mars is in Virgo with these squares cos it adds a lot of stress. Like I said, as a result, I really have to keep away from them and protect myself.
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And as an example of what I mean by ppl choosing not to respect my mars. With those in laws if I assert myself they just don't care. They don't care about any consequence or ultimatum. They don't even care when my HB does it. However, my 6 year old son would use his mars in the same way as me, yet those in laws listen to him. Why? Because they actually care about him and care about whether he likes them or not. So again, it may not be how you assert yourself, but a lot to do with whether those ppl give a sh*t about u. If its the latter, then it's best to walk away and be with other ppl.
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Re: What is your mars like and how assertive are you?

I'm an Aries rising and my mars is in gemini squaring saturn in virgo. I feel that square very strongly in the sense that I want to go into things forcefully and quickly, but saturn limits that expression and frustrates me, forcing me to be more thorough and structured. Given that my mars is in gemini, I assert myself better when communicating an idea and I tend to enjoy debates where I can prove that my ideas are better. But I am not as assertive in normal daily life.
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