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Do you have a stellium?

I'm curious about stelliums and the energies that play out in real life when they are present in your natal chart. Also, how are the current astral alignments playing in with your stellium?
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I'm curious about stelliums and the energies that play out in real life when they are present in your natal chart. Also, how are the current astral alignments playing in with your stellium?
Please feel free to share anything
How many planets do u consider to be a stellium? I have four in Cancer and the last few years have been very interesting.
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Re: Do you have a stellium?

I wonder what will happen in the next few years when Neptune squares most of my planets and asc...
Saturn will be transiting through my stellium and that will take a few years...
Huh, I dunno, I guess I'll find out!

I know when Uranus squared my Asc (and a few other planets aspecting it at that time) my entire appearance changed due to a hair accident, but for the better at least!
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I wonder what will happen in the next few years when Neptune squares most of my planets and asc...
Saturn will be transiting through my stellium and that will take a few years...
Huh, I dunno, I guess I'll find out!

I know when Uranus squared my Asc (and a few other planets aspecting it at that time) my entire appearance changed due to a hair accident, but for the better at least!
Its sounds like u must have planets in sag if neptune will be squaring them. Neptune is spiritual and sag is religous could u be questioning these beliefs? Also as astrologers I think we tend to view transits and progressions with fear. I think u have to look at ur individual chart and the kind of energy it has. For example, my progressd moon is going into Scorpio suppossdly not a good place but i have mars in scorpio and four planets in Cancer so I comfortable with that. R U comfortable with Neptune and Saturn?
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Re: Do you have a stellium?

Yes four planets is a stellium. In cancer That sounds interesting
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Re: Do you have a stellium?

Changes for the good then! Thats awesome ? Something linked to your asc?
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Re: Do you have a stellium?

I guess with stelliums:

1) House rulerships mean that one area of life dominates the others;
2) Most transits mean nothing, but when they hit the stellium your whole life can change;
3) Not much changes by progression in your early life unless the stellium planets are all very fast moving;
4) You end up with one very powerful stellium ruler which may or may not be in the stellium;
5) It can be hard to click with other people unless they trigger stellium issues;
6) There will generally be a lack of an element etc. as so many planets are in one place;
7) You get a paradox of the native's life being in one sense very complicated because of all the underlying conjunctions and rulership combinations. But at the same time the native is actually quite simple because of the emphasis on one sign / house.

I have a Scorpio stellium from the 12th crossing over my Asc. I'm very introspective. Saturn is currently transiting across and 2013 has been life changing. I've noticed all of the above apply to me. Except 5) above. I generally click with lots of people and not just with other Scorpionic nerds.
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I guess with stelliums:

1) House rulerships mean that one area of life dominates the others;
2) Most transits mean nothing, but when they hit the stellium your whole life can change;
3) Not much changes by progression in your early life unless the stellium planets are all very fast moving;
4) You end up with one very powerful stellium ruler which may or may not be in the stellium;
5) It can be hard to click with other people unless they trigger stellium issues;
6) There will generally be a lack of an element etc. as so many planets are in one place;
7) You get a paradox of the native's life being in one sense very complicated because of all the underlying conjunctions and rulership combinations. But at the same time the native is actually quite simple because of the emphasis on one sign / house.

I have a Scorpio stellium from the 12th crossing over my Asc. I'm very introspective. Saturn is currently transiting across and 2013 has been life changing. I've noticed all of the above apply to me. Except 5) above. I generally click with lots of people and not just with other Scorpionic nerds
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Unread 12-30-2013, 05:23 AM
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Re: Do you have a stellium?

Yes, I have 2 stelliums with 3 planets each in 9th house Gemini and 1st house Libra.

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Unread 12-30-2013, 05:47 PM
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Re: Do you have a stellium?

I have a stellium in my 2nd house

Saturn RX
Uranus RX
Mars
Neptune


and I've spent my adult life after graduating college (22 through now (27) trying to basically get on my feet, worrying about money and when I'm finally going to be able to be financially stable, get my career together & make steady money. I'm very cheap and my whole life is kinda based around that. Despite all the hard work…….I still seem to be stuck.

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Re: Do you have a stellium?

My stellium would be in my 1st House in Capricorn:
Mars conj Mercury conj Neptune conj Uranus

But the stellium is continued by Neptune and Uranus conjuncting Moon and Venus, in Aquarius, in the 1st House too.

Also, Mars, Mercury and Neptune conjunct ASC.

Could this be considered a 6 planets stellium?
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My stellium would be in my 1st House in Capricorn:
Mars conj Mercury conj Neptune conj Uranus

But the stellium is continued by Neptune and Uranus conjuncting Moon and Venus, in Aquarius, in the 1st House too.

Also, Mars, Mercury and Neptune conjunct ASC.

Could this be considered a 6 planets stellium?
No. A stellium is 3 or more planets in the same sign.
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Re: Do you have a stellium?

I have five in Capricorn, including Sun. It's...odd, since I don't really identify with Capricorn much. Once I figure out my houses ill have more to say.
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Re: Do you have a stellium?

May I suggest that a stellium is composed of

Four or more planets in one sign (or house...not as strong) of which at least two are not Sun, Mercury or Venus. Sun, Mercury and Venus are constant companions and frequently inhabit the same sign, which is why a true stellium demands that at least two of the planets be other than these three.

Three planets do not constitute a stellium, but a very strong multiple conjunction. But this conjunction does not (normally) exercise the overwhelming influence of a true stellium. If there are three planets in one sign and a fourth in the opposing sign it is of very similar effect as the stellium, with the emphasis and power given to the single planet and its sign. The same stricture on which planets participate applies.

Planetary formations represent psychological complexes (I do not use this term with the negative implications often associated with it). A stellium is a planetary formation just like the t-square, grand cross, grand trine, yod and the others. In most formations there is a quality of simultaneity: the involved planets are triggered at more or less the same time by transits, and possibly directions, depending on the orbs present in the formation. Activation of the first element of the formation, provided it is connected by effective natal orbs, will stimulate the entire complex and sets off a chain of action-reaction-further reaction within the personality and environment in a pattern of circularity. The parts of the formation-complex act as one, that is, directly affect one another through the resonance set up by their proximity (by degree) and intimate relationship. If one of the planets tends to predominate in the formation, the effects will probably be most noticeable (strongest) when this planet receives direct stimulation from a transit or direction because it "commands" the formation.

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Re: Do you have a stellium?

Many astrologers and books I've read say three planets within 5 degrees in the same sign constitute a Stellium, so I guess it's a matter of personal preference.

Anyway I have Venus-Saturn-Uranus all within 5 degrees of each other in Sag in my first house. I consider it a Stellium.
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May I suggest that a stellium is composed of

Four or more planets in one sign (or house...not as strong)
I have to disagree about the house not being as strong. I have a 4 planet libra stellium in the 8th, and for better or worse, 8th house issues and themes have dominated my life! Unless you mean that 4 planets split across two signs in a single house is not as strong, in which case I misunderstood you.

Stelliums can create a lot of vulnerability - I remember reading an astrology post (can't remember who, but I could find the link) about the vulnerability a stellium creates, especially when triggered by transits.

I'm going through the single most trying period of my life with Pluto squaring my stellium and uranus opposing. It's a roller-coaster and is testing me to the max, with a lot of internal pressure...
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Re: Do you have a stellium?

Indeed, although I wrote about my Mars conj Mercury conj Neptune conj Uranus, the Mars Uranus one reaches 10 degrees, and yet, I am as uranian as I can be in my actions sometimes (although, yeah, predominantly through the way I speak & think). But I think my actions do come more as an expression of my feelings, which are guided (although I will never believe that planets guide us integrally) by my other yet stronger stellium, also in the First house: Neptune conj Uranus conj Moon conj Venus (last two in Aqua :-) ). I completely agree that transits are pretty challenging for the amount of energy they create. My Pluto transiting through my 12th house sun conj jupiter and then through my loaded 1sr house with 6 planets wasn't and isn't too easy for me, while also having that jupiter oppose everything and nepture square a great deal ... I was also talking about intensity because I have no discordant natal aspect (squares or oppositions), which isn't cool, so I basically have to create challenges for myself in order not to start feeling like 'exploding' sometimes :-)), This is my view as someone with a stellium :-?

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I used to think stellium seem special but not really as many will have the same configurations especially when involving outer planets. To disappoint those thinking themselves as special and important...Stellium is only a term, the principles of interpretation remaining the same. Look at the sign the planets are in, which house? then ruler in sign and house, strength and aspects. Overly fussing about this term doesn't give you better clarity on understanding the chart.
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Re: Do you have a stellium?

Moon,Mercury and Jupiter conjunction in Gemini 1st house, all at 22 degree's.

How does this play out? Im extremely adaptable to my environment and i have an eternal restlessness.. (I have been on the road for almost 18 months) I constantly express myself through words and writing, i thrive in social circles and i struggle with patience and concentration.

The combination of these three planets in my experience allows me to see both the details (Mercury) and the big picture (Jupiter) with a deep sense of understanding (Moon). I can always see both sides of an argument and often take on the role of the diplomat.. i am fascinated with information, finding similarities between science (Mercury) and religion/philosophy (Jupiter).. and bringing them into an integral understanding.
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Re: Do you have a stellium?

I have a stellium in Libra, all Rx. Mars, Saturn and Pluto. They occupy my 8th and 9th house in the Placidus system. My Saturn Return was very 8th house focused, which was not fun at all, but I got through it. I've been told that I am very intense at times, which I'm not surprised by based on all three of those planets being clumped together. However, I don't feel I'm corrupt at all and while Pluto and Mars conjunct could make someone be power hungry, I am not. I attribute that to Libra and am thankful for that. I am definitely someone who values equality and balance in all human relationships.
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I have five in Capricorn, including Sun. It's...odd, since I don't really identify with Capricorn much. Once I figure out my houses ill have more to say.
That would be the Sign of Saturn and where Saturn is will give out more importance. But Saturn expresses itself through these five planets in the house they are at.
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Re: Do you have a stellium?

MJ82...you misunderstood.

I was distinguishing 4 in one sign from 4 in one house but not same sign.

The reason 4 in one sign is powerful is because the same element and mode is emphasized, an emphasis on the essential rather than circumstantial. Circumstances can be changed, while the essence of a thing (person) does not change.

And of course, if 4 planets are found in both one sign and one house, the stellium's power is enhanced.

Erulastiel: I really don't think it's a matter of personal preference. The definition of stellium that I offered is old; the "three planets within 5 degrees" is a modernist's re-definition of the stellium. Also, the planets in a stellium do not have to be in actual within-orb conjunction. A planet at 1 degree and a planet at 29 degrees with 2 more in between at any degrees of the sign constitute a stellium.

The reason a grouping of planets is called a "stellium" (or satellitium) -- which is a "formation" -- is due to its incredibly enhanced power, the power of concentration.
The stellium is a concentration both of Element and Quality (Mode). Three planets are not sufficient to produce this heavy imbalance of power.

It is the same idea as with Preponderance, of which there are many types: Element, Quality, House Triad, Cross, Retrogradation..... All of these preponderances require a majority of planets to qualify as a preponderance. A stellium is an exceptional preponderance, focalized in one place.

I submit that the authors who say three planets form a stellium are in error. Just because someone wrote a book does not mean they may not be mistaken. And then what happens, if indeed they are in error, is that students and followers come behind them and propagate the error.

A stellium is composed of 4 or more planets, at least 2 of which are not Sun, Mercury or Venus.

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MJ82...you misunderstood.

I was distinguishing 4 in one sign from 4 in one house but not same sign.

The reason 4 in one sign is powerful is because the same element and mode is emphasized, an emphasis on the essential rather than circumstantial. Circumstances can be changed, while the essence of a thing (person) does not change.

And of course, if 4 planets are found in both one sign and one house, the stellium's power is enhanced.

Erulastiel: I really don't think it's a matter of personal preference. The definition of stellium that I offered is old; the "three planets within 5 degrees" is a modernist's re-definition of the stellium. Also, the planets in a stellium do not have to be in actual within-orb conjunction. A planet at 1 degree and a planet at 29 degrees with 2 more in between at any degrees of the sign constitute a stellium.

The reason a grouping of planets is called a "stellium" (or satellitium) -- which is a "formation" -- is due to its incredibly enhanced power, the power of concentration.
The stellium is a concentration both of Element and Quality (Mode). Three planets are not sufficient to produce this heavy imbalance of power.

It is the same idea as with Preponderance, of which there are many types: Element, Quality, House Triad, Cross, Retrogradation..... All of these preponderances require a majority of planets to qualify as a preponderance. A stellium is an exceptional preponderance, focalized in one place.

I submit that the authors who say three planets form a stellium are in error. Just because someone wrote a book does not mean they may not be mistaken. And then what happens, if indeed they are in error, is that students and followers come behind them and propagate the error.

A stellium is composed of 4 or more planets, at least 2 of which are not Sun, Mercury or Venus.
I've seen you mention before that a stellium is four planets, but most things I've read have said three. Could you clarify why three is not a stellium?

Also, that is interesting about Sun, Venus and Mercury. My boyfriend has those three planets together in his 12th house in Pisces. I always thought the reason I did not FEEL or even notice that energy was because it was Pisces. I guess it is just because it is not that powerful and not actually a stellium. I am going to read more about that. Thank you.
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I've seen you mention before that a stellium is four planets, but most things I've read have said three. Could you clarify why three is not a stellium?

Also, that is interesting about Sun, Venus and Mercury. My boyfriend has those three planets together in his 12th house in Pisces. I always thought the reason I did not FEEL or even notice that energy was because it was Pisces. I guess it is just because it is not that powerful and not actually a stellium. I am going to read more about that. Thank you.
Stelliums are 3 planets conjuncting one sign I have venus moon and pluto conjunct in scorpio in sixth house plus mercury in virgo in sixth house, trust me when I say a stellium consist of 3 planets not 4, 3 planets in the same sign and house placement as for I know what it's like to have such intense tensions & burdens...
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Re: Do you have a stellium?

Would the Lunar Nodes contribute to a stellium? How about Chiron? since some astrologers treat it as a legitimate planet.

Also, the ASC and MC? perhaps vaguely a quasi-stellium effect?
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