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Have you noticed that it is cooler when the Sun is at the Ascendant
than when it is at the Descendant?
Have you noticed also that the Sun begins to dry out things there?
Dryness + cold make the earthy element,
which controls our heavy bodies for the most part.
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The same is true for the so-called Lot of Fortune, except that
the Moon is used instead of the Sun,
and that distinction is made based on their powers,
so that the Lot provides the necessary subsistence to the body
in the form of wealth and resources, and it is, as it were, more changeable and external
even compared to the appearance of the body.
The Midheaven is hot and dry, and it indicates actions and occupations
along with the Sun for this reason,
this is also perceptible to the senses every day,
unlike the powers of the five planets
(and what about Pluto that is 126 times smaller than Mercury?).
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You don't have to make up complicated excuses for not including the Outermosts. You're perfectly entitled not to include them, just as Modernistic astrologers are perfectly entitled to use them.
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Complicated excuses? What is so unreasonable about them? -> ->
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David, you have to be able to FEEL it, not just think it.
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Feelings are subjective. If you've convinced yourself of something, you feel it's right.
We all do that.
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Sorry, but the average increase of temperature at and after noon is not subjective,
same as what I mentioned about the Ascendant and the Lot of Fortune.
They are objective, and you have to accept them in order to live with REALITY.
Exactly

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Hi passiflora,

Have you read my thread, and especially points 22., 23., 40. and the commentary on them? - https://www.astrologyweekly.com/foru...d.php?t=130820

I can't give more help than that, you are free to look for help elsewhere.
I appreciate your willingness to do cold reading, which I wouldn't do. But no help is required!! It's a question to YOU since you are avidly defending a theory in the abstract, which didn't square with observable physical reality when applied to my own case
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I appreciate your willingness to do cold reading, which I wouldn't do.
But no help is required!!
It's a question to YOU since you are avidly defending a theory in the abstract,
which didn't square with observable physical reality when applied to my own case
would you listen
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Still only half-listening
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I appreciate your willingness to do cold reading, which I wouldn't do. But no help is required!! It's a question to YOU since you are avidly defending a theory in the abstract, which didn't square with observable physical reality when applied to my own case
I thought you found my free reading that I gave to you in private accurate in most respects? But now you say it is all cold reading? OK.
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Sorry, but the average increase of temperature at and after noon is not subjective, same as what I mentioned about the Ascendant and the Lot of Fortune. They are objective, and you have to accept them in order to live with REALITY.
We each have our own version of Reality.
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''In these points the ignorant go astray and therefore I must mention these same points so often: it is better to repeat, even to be verbose, and so keep this treatise free from criticism than to present an opportunity for abuse to envious and small-minded persons. These persons are pained by the success of others and revile work that is well done; they cannot follow what is being said nor think critically about what they say. The following story applies to such persons: they say that a young man was critically revising the plays of Euripides. The playwright was standing by and said, If it is badly written, you write it better. The youth said, I do not know how to write poetry, but I can revise what has been badly written. Euripides then said, So then, write something badly and then revise your own composition to make it good.'' - https://www.csus.edu/indiv/r/rileymt...s%20entire.pdf
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Ok ynnest, so it's feminized men who partake of vicious gaming to amass masculine power. Makes total sense.
Men who hold on to small d syndrome are from my perspective making a choice to feminize themselves, which in one way or another from my perspective inevitably leads to suppression of their full masculinity which could lead to misdirected, uncontrolled and/or unresponsible acts of violence and/or aggression, but I cannot say if vicious gaming is one aspects of that because its from where someone is coming from when playing such games that is more important/dominates the specific act itself of playing the game in my view.

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I believe Reality as it's generally known, is subject to change.
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We each have our own version of Reality.
for example

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Reality is flat.

Some are camping out on the edge of Reality, and
some have gone over the edge.
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I believe Reality as it's generally known, is subject to change.
Quite
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for example


The humorous intent escaped you!

Even though I included "" .

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We each have our own version of Reality.
for example

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Reality is flat.

Some are camping out on the edge of Reality, and
some have gone over the edge.
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I believe Reality as it's generally known, is subject to change.
Quite
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The humorous intent escaped you!

Even though I included ""
apparently
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I appreciate your willingness to do cold reading, which I wouldn't do. But no help is required!! It's a question to YOU since you are avidly defending a theory in the abstract, which didn't square with observable physical reality when applied to my own case
Maybe I missed some predomination in my quick cold reading. I didn't ask for nationality, which is also important in this matter. Finally, the Ascendant seemed a bit off, and I told you I am going to use the 15 minute earlier birth time. Any of these factors could have affected the infallibility of physical prognostication, which isn't something I strove for necessarily.
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Maybe I missed some predomination in my quick cold reading. I didn't ask for nationality, which is also important in this matter. Finally, the Ascendant seemed a bit off, and I told you I am going to use the 15 minute earlier birth time. Any of these factors could have affected the infallibility of physical prognostication, which isn't something I strove for necessarily.
Fair enough. Perhaps it would be resolved by using my given birth time, which Im certain of for various reasons - definitely Libra rising. Does nationality change the size of the eyes?
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Fair enough. Perhaps it would be resolved by using my given birth time, which Im certain of for various reasons - definitely Libra rising. Does nationality change the size of the eyes?
Not much, but nations near the arctic circles have 20% larger eyes than those from near the equator. That would be warm reading, not cold.
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But then it would seem that more testosterone concentration in human males increases status seeking behaviour.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5068300/

Kind of contradicts your contention, ynnest.
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But then it would seem that more testosterone concentration in human males increases status seeking behaviour.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5068300/

Kind of contradicts your contention, ynnest.
I always imagined a simple relationship between testosterone and aggression, but this is another instance that correlation does not imply causation.
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Yep, the simplistic link between aggression and testosterone might work for rats, but not us.

It puts into perspective an astrological axiom that when Mars predominates for profession that it gears toward leadership and social climbing. According to one astrologer's testing, many of the popes have a prominent Mars.
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What specifically are you directing that comment toward, passiflora?
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Who would I be if I didn't fall off the face of the map every once in awhile?
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I wouldn't say I am out of the cave yet, but I think it's fine to occasionally look out from the cracks.
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I wouldn't say I am out of the cave yet, but I think it's fine to occasionally look out from the cracks.
How's it looking out there?
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What's your theory on what inspired the knowledge of astrology?
Not my theory:

''The science of astrology was developed in, most probably, the late 2nd or early 1st century B.C., as a mean to predict, from horoscopic themata draw up for the moment of an individual's birth (or conception), the fate of that native. This form of astrology, called genethlialogy, is rooted in Aristotelean physics and Hellenistic astronomy, but also borrowed much from Mesopotamia and some elements from Egypt as well as developing many theories of its own... All of these types of astrology depend on the notion that the planets, in their eternal rotations about the earth, transmit motion (change) to the four elements and to the assemblages of elements, animate or inanimate, in the sublunar world. This theory is completely different from that of celestial omens, in which the gods, whose physical manifestations are the constellations and planets send messages concerning their intentions regarding kings and countries by means of celestial phenomena.'' - Pingree, D. E. (1997). From astral omens to astrology: from Babylon to Bīkāner
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''The science of astrology was developed in, most probably, the late 2nd or early 1st century B.C., as a mean to predict, from horoscopic themata draw up for the moment of an individual's birth (or conception), the fate of that native. This form of astrology, called genethlialogy, is rooted in Aristotelean physics and Hellenistic astronomy, but also borrowed much from Mesopotamia and some elements from Egypt as well as developing many theories of its own... All of these types of astrology depend on the notion that the planets, in their eternal rotations about the earth, transmit motion (change) to the four elements and to the assemblages of elements, animate or inanimate, in the sublunar world. This theory is completely different from that of celestial omens, in which the gods, whose physical manifestations are the constellations and planets send messages concerning their intentions regarding kings and countries by means of celestial phenomena.'' - Pingree, D. E. (1997). From astral omens to astrology: from Babylon to Bīkāner
This isn't off thread in the original discussion.
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This isn't off thread in the original discussion.
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