Astrologers' Community  

Go Back   Astrologers' Community > Anything Else... > Chat

Chat For posts that don't have to do with astrological chart interpretation, but they're still important to you. Gossip, show off, hot topic, spiritual thoughts, Sun sign astrological discussions, chit chat: come in and share!


Reply
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #8351  
Unread 12-12-2019, 08:59 AM
david starling david starling is online now
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2015
Location: Yes
Posts: 20,694
Smile Re: Random Thoughts, strictly Text

Quote:
Originally Posted by petosiris View Post
I don't understand the question.
In the O.T., Satan was an angel working for God as His "prosecuting attorney".
In the N.T., Satan is the Adversary against God's Creation.

Reply With Quote
  #8352  
Unread 12-12-2019, 09:14 AM
petosiris's Avatar
petosiris petosiris is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2017
Posts: 3,338
Re: Random Thoughts, strictly Text

Quote:
Originally Posted by david starling View Post
In the O.T., Satan was an angel working for God as His "prosecuting attorney".
In the N.T., Satan is the Adversary against God's Creation.
You realize that ha-satan means ''the adversary'' in Hebrew right? I don't see the difference between Satan in Job and Satan in the New Testament.
Reply With Quote
  #8353  
Unread 12-12-2019, 09:32 AM
david starling david starling is online now
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2015
Location: Yes
Posts: 20,694
Smile Re: Random Thoughts, strictly Text

Quote:
Originally Posted by petosiris View Post
You realize that ha-satan means ''the adversary'' in Hebrew right? I don't see the difference between Satan in Job and Satan in the New Testament.
Satan is working for God in the O.T., and against Him in the N.T.
Reply With Quote
  #8354  
Unread 12-12-2019, 09:37 AM
petosiris's Avatar
petosiris petosiris is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2017
Posts: 3,338
Re: Random Thoughts, strictly Text

Quote:
Originally Posted by david starling View Post
Satan is working for God in the O.T., and against Him in the N.T.
He works for him as adversary for his people.
Reply With Quote
  #8355  
Unread 12-12-2019, 09:52 AM
david starling david starling is online now
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2015
Location: Yes
Posts: 20,694
Smile Re: Random Thoughts, strictly Text

Quote:
Originally Posted by petosiris View Post
He works for him as adversary for his people.
You mean Satan puts everyone to the test for God, to see if they measure up to God's standards?
Reply With Quote
  #8356  
Unread 12-12-2019, 09:54 AM
petosiris's Avatar
petosiris petosiris is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2017
Posts: 3,338
Re: Random Thoughts, strictly Text

Quote:
Originally Posted by david starling View Post
You mean Satan puts everyone to the test for God, to see if they measure up to God's standards?
Yes, only Jesus has measured up to God's standards. That is why God raised him from the dead, and gave him all authority in heaven and earth.
Reply With Quote
  #8357  
Unread 12-12-2019, 10:12 AM
david starling david starling is online now
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2015
Location: Yes
Posts: 20,694
Smile Re: Random Thoughts, strictly Text

Do you believe in absolutely Free Will?
Reply With Quote
  #8358  
Unread 12-12-2019, 10:20 AM
petosiris's Avatar
petosiris petosiris is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2017
Posts: 3,338
Re: Random Thoughts, strictly Text

Quote:
Originally Posted by david starling View Post
Do you believe in absolutely Free Will?
Philosophically, it doesn't make sense, there are causes everywhere. Theologically, it doesn't make much sense either, God alone is absolute. Practically, it doesn't make a difference if it is absolute or just practical, and God has granted us the latter.
Reply With Quote
  #8359  
Unread 12-12-2019, 10:30 AM
petosiris's Avatar
petosiris petosiris is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2017
Posts: 3,338
Re: Random Thoughts, strictly Text

Bible says this - somethings are predetermined before the foundation of the world - like the Messiah and his kingdom. Other things are left to our rational choice - people could choose the Lord or Baal - 1 Kings 18:21.
Reply With Quote
  #8360  
Unread 12-12-2019, 10:40 AM
david starling david starling is online now
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2015
Location: Yes
Posts: 20,694
Smile Re: Random Thoughts, strictly Text

Quote:
Originally Posted by petosiris View Post
Bible says this - somethings are predetermined before the foundation of the world - like the Messiah and his kingdom. Other things are left to our rational choice - people could choose the Lord or Baal - 1 Kings 18:21.
I would say, people could be CAUSED to "choose" .
Reply With Quote
  #8361  
Unread 12-12-2019, 10:46 AM
petosiris's Avatar
petosiris petosiris is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2017
Posts: 3,338
Re: Random Thoughts, strictly Text

Quote:
Originally Posted by david starling View Post
I would say, people could be CAUSED to "choose" .
Previous choices always influence the latter. That is why the Bible says to stay away even from the appearance of evil.
Reply With Quote
  #8362  
Unread 12-12-2019, 10:59 AM
conspiracy theorist's Avatar
conspiracy theorist conspiracy theorist is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: clearing
Posts: 14,624
Re: Random Thoughts, strictly Text

@Osa

Said poster could easily respond to our disparaging comments. They are public domain. There has been similar sort of posting in this thread, but no mod action. Why the inconsistency?

I started a lot of important business during the last retrograde period. Signed a couple of contracts, too. Only one of the many partnerships have fell through from that time, but others are still going strong. In the world we live in, a lot happens in one month. I don't think it's realistic to stop activity because of the Mercury transit
Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to conspiracy theorist For This Useful Post:
petosiris (12-12-2019)
  #8363  
Unread 12-12-2019, 11:13 AM
petosiris's Avatar
petosiris petosiris is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2017
Posts: 3,338
Re: Random Thoughts, strictly Text

Quote:
Originally Posted by conspiracy theorist View Post
@Osa

Said poster could easily respond to our disparaging comments. They are public domain. There has been similar sort of posting in this thread, but no mod action. Why the inconsistency?

I started a lot of important business during the last retrograde period. Signed a couple of contracts, too. Only one of the many partnerships have fell through from that time, but others are still going strong. In the world we live in, a lot happens in one month. I don't think it's realistic to stop activity because of the Mercury transit
My faith in astrologers has been restored.
Reply With Quote
  #8364  
Unread 12-12-2019, 02:44 PM
Cold Fusion's Avatar
Cold Fusion Cold Fusion is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Arizona
Posts: 1,376
Re: Random Thoughts, strictly Text

Quote:
Originally Posted by petosiris View Post
Bible says this - somethings are predetermined before the foundation of the world - like the Messiah and his kingdom. Other things are left to our rational choice - people could choose the Lord or Baal - 1 Kings 18:21.
Why can't people choose a moral code, like say the Golden Rule instead of a master?
__________________
The Golden Rule:The principle of treating others as one wishes to be treated. It involves empathizing and perceiving others also as "I" or "self". The Golden Rule will never inspire a Psychopath. Psychopathy is characterized by persistent antisocial behavior, impaired empathy and remorse, and bold, disinhibited, egotistical traits.

Reply With Quote
  #8365  
Unread 12-12-2019, 02:46 PM
petosiris's Avatar
petosiris petosiris is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2017
Posts: 3,338
Re: Random Thoughts, strictly Text

Quote:
Why can't people choose a moral code, like say the Golden Rule instead of a master?
Because we are limited creatures that will never be lords as false religions will have it. A simple look at the vastness of the universe and reasoning will immediately humble people before the Creator - Romans 1.
Reply With Quote
  #8366  
Unread 12-12-2019, 03:05 PM
Cold Fusion's Avatar
Cold Fusion Cold Fusion is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Arizona
Posts: 1,376
Re: Random Thoughts, strictly Text

Quote:
Originally Posted by petosiris View Post
Because we are limited creatures that will never be lords as false religions will have it. A simple look at the vastness of the universe and reasoning will immediately humble people before the Creator - Romans 1.

I didn't say anything about being a lord. It's about free will. Everyone should have free will.
__________________
The Golden Rule:The principle of treating others as one wishes to be treated. It involves empathizing and perceiving others also as "I" or "self". The Golden Rule will never inspire a Psychopath. Psychopathy is characterized by persistent antisocial behavior, impaired empathy and remorse, and bold, disinhibited, egotistical traits.

Reply With Quote
  #8367  
Unread 12-12-2019, 03:11 PM
petosiris's Avatar
petosiris petosiris is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2017
Posts: 3,338
Re: Random Thoughts, strictly Text

Quote:
I didn't say anything about being a lord. It's about free will. Everyone should have free will.
No, you said

Quote:
Why can't people choose a moral code, like say the Golden Rule instead of a master?
We are either slaves to God, or we aren't, in that case we are slaves to evil. We choose in either case.
Reply With Quote
  #8368  
Unread 12-12-2019, 03:13 PM
passiflora's Avatar
passiflora passiflora is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2016
Posts: 997
Quote:
Originally Posted by petosiris View Post
Because we are limited creatures that will never be lords as false religions will have it. A simple look at the vastness of the universe and reasoning will immediately humble people before the Creator - Romans 1.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cold Fusion View Post
I didn't say anything about being a lord. It's about free will. Everyone should have free will.
I agree with petosiris - code, a rigid instrument designed for the human mind, would never be able to approximate a vast, dynamic entity.
Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to passiflora For This Useful Post:
petosiris (12-12-2019)
  #8369  
Unread 12-12-2019, 03:15 PM
Cold Fusion's Avatar
Cold Fusion Cold Fusion is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Arizona
Posts: 1,376
Re: Random Thoughts, strictly Text

Quote:
Originally Posted by petosiris View Post
No, you said



We are either slaves to God, or we aren't, in that case we are slaves to evil. We choose in either case.

So you think The Golden Rule is evil?
__________________
The Golden Rule:The principle of treating others as one wishes to be treated. It involves empathizing and perceiving others also as "I" or "self". The Golden Rule will never inspire a Psychopath. Psychopathy is characterized by persistent antisocial behavior, impaired empathy and remorse, and bold, disinhibited, egotistical traits.

Reply With Quote
  #8370  
Unread 12-12-2019, 03:22 PM
Cold Fusion's Avatar
Cold Fusion Cold Fusion is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Arizona
Posts: 1,376
Re: Random Thoughts, strictly Text

Quote:
Originally Posted by passiflora View Post
I agree with petosiris - code, a rigid instrument designed for the human mind, would never be able to approximate a vast, dynamic entity.

Provided one associates "God" as everything and everything as "God". OT, NT and the Quran do not assert such a philosophy.
__________________
The Golden Rule:The principle of treating others as one wishes to be treated. It involves empathizing and perceiving others also as "I" or "self". The Golden Rule will never inspire a Psychopath. Psychopathy is characterized by persistent antisocial behavior, impaired empathy and remorse, and bold, disinhibited, egotistical traits.

Reply With Quote
  #8371  
Unread 12-12-2019, 03:49 PM
petosiris's Avatar
petosiris petosiris is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2017
Posts: 3,338
Re: Random Thoughts, strictly Text

Quote:
Originally Posted by Cold Fusion View Post
So you think The Golden Rule is evil?
The most golden rule, or rather commandment, is to love God, from this comes the love of the neighbour, and from these, all the rest of godly ethical codes.
Reply With Quote
  #8372  
Unread 12-12-2019, 03:57 PM
Cold Fusion's Avatar
Cold Fusion Cold Fusion is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Arizona
Posts: 1,376
Re: Random Thoughts, strictly Text

Quote:
Originally Posted by petosiris View Post
The most golden rule, or rather commandment, is to love God, from this comes the love of the neighbour, and from these, all the rest of godly ethical codes.

O.K. your just here to preach your personal view, not discuss. I'm putting you on ignore.
__________________
The Golden Rule:The principle of treating others as one wishes to be treated. It involves empathizing and perceiving others also as "I" or "self". The Golden Rule will never inspire a Psychopath. Psychopathy is characterized by persistent antisocial behavior, impaired empathy and remorse, and bold, disinhibited, egotistical traits.

Reply With Quote
  #8373  
Unread 12-12-2019, 03:59 PM
passiflora's Avatar
passiflora passiflora is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2016
Posts: 997
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cold Fusion View Post
Provided one associates "God" as everything and everything as "God". OT, NT and the Quran do not assert such a philosophy.
? Itís been a long time since I was in Sunday school, but the monotheistic God of those books is omnipresent, omniscient, and eternal. Omnipresence gets to all matter.
Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to passiflora For This Useful Post:
petosiris (12-12-2019)
  #8374  
Unread 12-12-2019, 04:15 PM
Cold Fusion's Avatar
Cold Fusion Cold Fusion is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Arizona
Posts: 1,376
Re: Random Thoughts, strictly Text

Quote:
Originally Posted by passiflora View Post
? It’s been a long time since I was in Sunday school, but the monotheistic God of those books is omnipresent, omniscient, and eternal. Omnipresence gets to all matter.

But "God" is one, hence monotheistic.

pan∑the∑ism
/ˈpanTHēˌizəm/
noun
noun: pantheism
  1. 1.
    a doctrine which identifies God with the universe, or regards the universe as a manifestation of God.
  2. 2.
    worship that admits or tolerates all gods
__________________
The Golden Rule:The principle of treating others as one wishes to be treated. It involves empathizing and perceiving others also as "I" or "self". The Golden Rule will never inspire a Psychopath. Psychopathy is characterized by persistent antisocial behavior, impaired empathy and remorse, and bold, disinhibited, egotistical traits.

Reply With Quote
  #8375  
Unread 12-12-2019, 04:42 PM
passiflora's Avatar
passiflora passiflora is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2016
Posts: 997
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cold Fusion View Post
But "God" is one, hence monotheistic.

pan∑the∑ism
/ˈpanTHēˌizəm/
noun
noun: pantheism
  1. 1.
    a doctrine which identifies God with the universe, or regards the universe as a manifestation of God.
  2. 2.
    worship that admits or tolerates all gods
Petosiris might have had a pleasing response, but you ignored him. Personally I see no conflict between monotheism and pantheism.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump



All times are GMT. The time now is 12:14 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.2
Copyright ©2000 - 2020, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright © 2005-2018, AstrologyWeekly.com. Boards' structure and all posts are property of AstrologyWeekly.com and their respective creators. No part of the messages sent on these boards may be copied without their owners' explicit consent.