A Voyage of Discovery: Astrological Ages for the Tropical Zodiac

david starling

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In astrology you are working with the powers of nature. There will be a very certain influence if the geocentric assumption is correct. There will be a very uncertain influence if the heliocentric assumption is correct. In fact, astrology nearly died out when the second assumption was adopted.

I don't understand the clock analogy - American isn't my first language. :smile:

The analog clock has 12 numbered divisions which remain stationary while the hour, minute, and seconds hands rotate through them in "clockwise direction". You may be too young to remember it, since it's been largely replaced by digital watches and clocks.
 

petosiris

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The analog clock has 12 numbered divisions which remain stationary while the hour, minute, and seconds hands rotate through them in "clockwise direction". You may be too young to remember it, since it's been largely replaced by digital watches and clocks.

No, we still have those. Well the model of this clock is built upon the ancient sundial, in which the shadow made by the gnomon relative to the revolution of the Sun reveals the hour. I don't see what this has to do with the precession of the constellations, which has an opposite movement of the daily rotation.
 

david starling

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No, we still have those. Well the model of this clock is built upon the ancient sundial, in which the shadow made by the gnomon relative to the revolution of the Sun reveals the hour. I don't see what this has to do with the precession of the constellations, which has an opposite movement of the daily rotation.

Astronomers refer to it as "precession" in either direction.

The constellations "precess" in direct-motion through the tropical Signs.
 

david starling

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Since the Industrial Revolution, which led to the era of High Technology we're in now, is so obviously not what could be expected from the sidereal Age of Pisces, there had to be some other explanation.

It was the tropicalists who intuitively sensed the oncoming Age of Aquarius, not the siderealists, for whom the sidereal Aquarian Age is still too far from beginning to have an impact on our civilization.

Without knowing about these tropical Ages, tropicalists had no choice but to muck with the sidereal Zodiac to get a much earlier start to the sidereal Age of Aquarius than the siderealists will allow, given their placement of the sidereal Sign-boundaries.

Once these tropical Ages become known, the explanation becomes clear as a bell: The culminating phase of the tropical Age of Capricorn gets the credit and/or blame for the current state of the world.

And, tropically, the Aquarian Age really is "dawning", which means it was within 6 degrees of ingress into tropical Aquarius in the year 1800, when the initial effects of the oncoming tropical Aquarian Age were just beginning to show, and will be within only 2 degrees from ingress in the year 2033..

We're still living in the culminating era of the tropical Age of Capricorn, but the preliminary effects of the oncoming tropical Age of Aquarius are now an important, and increasing influence on our collective existence.
 
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CapAquaPis

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The 3 most other planets in their ruling signs (last year, Jupiter was in Sagittarius, now in capricorn and heading into Aquarius, then in Pisces in 2022):

The last time Saturn was in Aquarius was during the L.A. (Rodney King) riots happened.

The last time Pluto was in Capricorn was during the American revolution.

And Neptune was in *Pisces* when Rome fell.

We have all 3 right now!

Well...a look at the ephemeris in 476 AD and the internet meme about what sign Neptune was in during the fall of Rome, it turns out was NOT in Pisces, it's actually in Libra...oh, internet, you claim to be so right when you're proven not.
 

david starling

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Well...a look at the ephemeris in 476 AD and the internet meme about what sign Neptune was in during the fall of Rome, it turns out was NOT in Pisces, it's actually in Libra...oh, internet, you claim to be so right when you're proven not.

For something as widely and permanently eventful as the Fall of Rome, the Ages are your best bet for the correlation.

Both the sidereal Age of Pisces and the tropical Age of Capricorn were just beginning at the time Rome fell, and the Christian and Islamic religions were taking power in the West and in the Middle East, replacing the Greco-Roman religions of the Hellenistic Age that was ending.
 
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david starling

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Although the (retrograde) sidereal Age of Pisces and the (direct) tropical Age of Capricorn both began around 400 A.D., they are determined using different astronomical markers. The sidereal Ages last about 2150 years, the tropical Ages last about 1750 years. So, the sidereal Aquarian Age won't begin until about 400 years after the tropical Aquarian Age.
 

petosiris

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The Huns had a lot to do with the Fall of Rome.

The Goths allowed the continuous existence of the Roman senate and legislation for at least another century.

They freely accepted a different Christian doctrine from the Roman bishop, but ruled over him for centuries. This is contrary to your statements that the Romans had some kind of absolute authority over the age.

The age of Pisces can't be beginning with Christianity and Islam at the same time since they are removed by 600 years. The Persians and later Muslims also didn't take the entire Eastern Empire, but only parts of it.
 
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david starling

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The Goths allowed the continuous existence of the Roman senate and legislation for at least another century.

They freely accepted a different Christian doctrine from the Roman bishop, but ruled over him for centuries. This is contrary to your statements that the Romans had some kind of absolute authority over the age.

The age of Pisces can't be beginning with Christianity and Islam at the same time since they are removed by 600 years. The Persians and later Muslims also didn't take the entire Eastern Empire, but only parts of it.

Ancient Rome was polytheistic, with Jupiter as its king of the gods. That was during the tropical Age of Sagittarius. The transitional period out of the Age of Sagittarius up to the tropical Age of Capricorn lasted for about 400 years. The Mean-setting ingress reached Capricorn in 405 A.D.

Then, there was a transitional period into the Age of Cap for about another 400 years. By about 800 A.D., the Age was firmly in place, including its Anno Domini dating system with the addition of "B.C." notation, although its intrinsic results didn't start taking full effect until the last decant during the 16th Century. The halfway point at about 1300 A.D. ushered in the Renaissance.

It's the Fixed-sign tropical Ages that begin intrinsically and effectively in an immediate way, not the Mutable-sign or Cardinal-sign Ages.
 
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david starling

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What a better way to start the age of Scorpio than a six day creation amirite? :smile:

Tropical Age of Libra supplied everything the Age of Scorpio needed for a quick start intrinsic to its own Sign-qualities and rulership.

This tropical Age of Capricorn will supply the Age of Aquarius in the same manner. No holding back.
 

petosiris

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Tropical Age of Libra supplied everything the Age of Scorpio needed for a quick start intrinsic to its own Sign-qualities and rulership.

This tropical Age of Capricorn will supply the Age of Aquarius in the same manner. No holding back.

How did Scorpio begin differently from the next two ages in your opinion, and how is Aquarius related to it?
 

david starling

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How did Scorpio begin differently from the next two ages in your opinion, and how is Aquarius related to it?

It's about the Seasonal quadrants, and a one-Sign overlap.

The Cardinal-sign Age overlaps the previous quadrant's Mutable-sign Age, which interferes with its developments, pushing them to the end of the Cardinal-sign Age.

Christianity is a continuation of the visionary Age of Sagittarius, armored against the Saturnian rulership of the overlapping Age of Capricorn, and prophecizing (in its own terms) Saturn's loss of power once the Age is over.

A Fixed-sign Age overlaps a Cardinal-sign Age of the same quadrant, which ensures a fast start will very little interference. The Fixed-sign intensity makes it unstoppable in that context.
 
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petosiris

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It's about the Seasonal quadrants, and a one-Sign overlap.
The Cardinal-sign Age overlaps the previous quadrant's Mutable-sign Age, which interferes with its developments, pushing them to the end of the Cardinal-sign Age.

Christianity is a continuation of the visionary Age of Sagittarius, armored against the Saturnian rulership of the Age of Capricorn, and prophecizing Saturn's loss of power once the Age is over.

Fixed-sign Ages overlap a Cardinal-sign Age of the same quadrant, which ensures a fast start will very little interference. The Fixed-sign intensity makes it unstoppable in that context.

Ok, I am asking you what start did Libra allow Scorpio in terms of your analogy with Capricorn to Aquarius.
 

petosiris

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City-state civilization, including writing and artistic ability, along with technological and scientific advancements.

None of these things had a quick start in secular chronology.

What you said of two quick starts makes sense with the biblical model of two creations. But I believe that there wasn't ever an age before Taurus/Scorpio nor will there ever be.
 
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david starling

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None of these things had a quick start in secular chronology.

What you said of two quick starts makes sense with the biblical model of two creations. But I believe that there wasn't ever an age before Taurus/Scorpio nor will there ever be.

What's your time-frame for the Age of Taurus/Scorpio?
 

CapAquaPis

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Saturn conjunct Moon, Mercury and Venus (and Chiron) in Taurus close to Neptune in Aries on Apr 15, 2029 - the date asteroid Apophis flies by too close for comfort over earth. Again, Saturn represents a great disaster to the world every 28 years (1917, 1945, 1973, 2001 and 2029). Eris is another "Aquarian" planet to depict disasters when it aspects other planets in the sign of Aries, it has been in 20-25' range of Aries from 2001 for about 22 years (until 2023) from 9/11 (2001) to the 2008-11 Great Recession to 3 novel coronavirus diseases.
 
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