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I really don't know how to explain this to you any clearer than I have before. To repeat: The stars are not the constellations! The constellations are an imaginary arrangement of stars that is peculiar to western civilisation. Other civilisations arrange the same stars in different constellations. The stars are real, the constellations are a construct of the mind.
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IMO it is common knowledge that at that ancient time when most people thought the universe was a living being, it was "The Norm" to imagine tiny points of light they saw in the night sky as being grouped into separate, distinct sets of 'Images'. These 'Images' were made up of separate stars which - in the opinion of the ancient people of this planet - seemed to be grouped together. Thousands of years ago, on various parts of the planet Earth, different cultures imaginatively 'connected the dots' of the tiny points of light that they thought were close to each other and personified them as 'Mythical Beings' and narrated stories about the lives of these Mythical Beings. The Mythical Beings and the stories of their lives varied from culture to culture. Different cultures imagined different images in the patterns of the stars of the night sky. The ancient people of this planet did not know that these tiny points of light were hundreds - perhaps even thousands - of light years distant from each other.

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Former constellations are constellations that are no longer recognized by the International Astronomical Union for various reasons. Many of these constellations existed for long periods of time, even centuries in many cases, which means they still have a large historical value and can be found on older star charts.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Former_constellations

THE FOLLOWING ENCAPSULATED INFORMATION MAY BE FOUND AT http://www.physics.csbsju.edu/astro/...ation.faq.html

The oldest description of the constellations as we know them comes from a poem called Phaenomena written by Greek poet Aratus 270 B.C. and it is clear from the poem that the constellations mentioned originated long before Aratus' time. Some detective work reveals a plausible origin. Firstly, Aratus' constellations excluded any near the south celestial pole because that was always below the horizon of the ancient constellation-makers. From the size of this uncharted area of the sky, we can determine that the people responsible for the original constellations lived near a latitude of 36° north which is south of Greece and north of Egypt but similar to the latitude of the ancient Babylonians and Sumerians.

Because of a "wobble" of the Earth's axis of rotation, the position of the celestial poles changes slowly with time - which is a phenomenon known as precession. The constellation-free zone is not centered exactly on the south celestial pole, instead the uncharted area is centered on the place in the sky where the south celestial pole would have been around the year 2000 B.C. This date matches the time of the Babylonians and Sumerians. So it seems likely that the Greek constellations originated with the Sumerians and Babylonians. From there, knowledge of the constellations somehow made its way to Egypt - perhaps through the Minoans on Crete who had contact with the Babylonians and settled in Egypt after an explosive volcanic eruption destroyed their civilization, and from there early Greek scholars first heard about the constellations and wrote about them.

When most ancient cultures looked at the night sky they saw 'pictures' aka 'Images' in the stars. The earliest known efforts to catalogue the stars date to cuneiform texts (i.e. Sumerian/Babylonian/Assyrian texts and artefacts)and artefacts dating back roughly 6000 years. These remnants, found in the valley of the Euphrates River, suggest that the ancients observing the heavens saw the lion, the bull, and the scorpion in the stars.

here's a link to an interesting British Museum web page regarding the origins of writing in Mesopotamia
http://www.mesopotamia.co.uk/writing/story/sto_set.html

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I found out about the two different natal charts when I consulted an astrologist about my solar return. She explained it to me in the following way: the tropical natal chart (most commonly used in Western society) reflects how an individual sees him/herself, while the sidereal natal chart is a factual chart that explains the way the individual interacts with the external environment. Basically, a person may see him/herself in a certain way, while in situations s/he might act and respond in a way that is not characteristic of the personality depicted in the tropical chart. The astrologist placed greater emphasis on the sidereal chart because it gave better insight into the way I act, and is a more factual representation. Ultimately, the two can be used in conjunction. The take-home message for me was that I may have been underestimating myself in certain ways, and that the sidereal natal chart can allow a person to learn about his/her potential, and ultimately evolve beyond the levels s/he thinks s/he's capable of.
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I'm experimenting with tropical again.
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I'd say this is a must read for anyone interested in the sidereal/tropical issue;

http://www.vedic-astrology.net/Artic...the-Zodiac.pdf
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Hi Community!
This is the deal with sidereal astrology, or Fagan-Bradley system. Most of you think that tropical astrology is the only option, that its inaccuracies and ambiguity are part of the astrological heritage. Most people are told the wrong signs, using tropical, and ALL the planet's and Moon signs are completely unfounded by reality. Astrology, as practiced my 99% of American and European astrologers, has become a pathetic joke. In other words, we accept astrology to be irrelevant, and that's why astrology has been banned to the funny pages, along with the comics and word games.

Sidereal astrology corrects Ptolemy's error in ignoring the precession of the equinoxes; the astronomical Zodiac discards the entire misogynist Roman truncation of the eponymous constellations to 12, mostly male-represented signs. Ptolemy and the Romans sabotaged astrology with their revisionist 12-sign system, and intercepted signs, and, of course, the 27 degree error present in all tropical astrology charts.

So, anyone using the tropical, 12-sign system is essentially pulling any delineations out of their butt. There is NO WAY that tropical readings are worth the endless supply of time and energy that astrologers spend on them. Astrologers are not only wasting their time and their client's time, but mocking themselves and all astrology, as the entire astronomical and scientific community rightly poits out that all our numbers are bogus.

What do numbers matter? A surprising number of astrologers answer the doubts with an esoteric word salad that avoids the salient point: tropical astrologers are full of s**t.

If you are interested in an accurate astrology, where readings are meaningful and transits work, please go to my website for a complete explanation of the superiority of sidereal/13-sign astrology. You'll NEVER go back to the bootsy tropical gab fest! http://siderealist.com
Fb: https://www.facebook.com/siderealsigns

I'll be happy to answer emails to clarify my position. If you want, however, to find your true sign, using the sidereal/13-sign Zodiac, you can find out the dates on my website free. Personal readings, however, start at $10.

Thanks for your attention,
Eric (the only sidereal astrologer in New York City)
Hi Siderealist! Discussion on this thread highlights the usual quandry a newbie member seeking answers regarding the Sidereal Tropical issue is experiencing http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum...ad.php?t=41281

My signature has link to a helpful brief video clearly illustrating the rationale of Sidereal and Tropical
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82p-D...eature=related
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Hello Everyone, I, too, am unsure about whether to choose sidereal or tropical. I *like* my sidereal chart better - just because the intercepted houses (6 and 12) contain two signs in their entirety, while the tropical version of my chart is quite different. A moon in Sagittarius (sidereal) seems positive to me, however a moon in Capricorn seems negative (tropical)... because the New Moon in Capricorn of 1 Feb 2003 has particular significance for me with regards to the past. I will try and post both charts.

Tropical
http://www.astro.com/cgi/chart.cgi?c...&ast=4581%2C+5

Sidereal
http://www.astro.com/cgi/chart.cgi?c...&ast=4581%2C+5

I've been looking at my 12th house where I have Chiron. Incidentally, Chiron was discovered on or around my birthday which is just great (not). From the 12th house on the sidereal chart I have something like: the house of secrets, the subconscious... but Chiron is there so there is an injury to this house, a secret injury to the house of the subconscious, self-inflicted (like the self-inflicted wound of Chiron), Astrea brings in the idea of "all the way to the end" or "holding on for too long", strife and discord, a struggle for survival... I have gone "down to the bottom of the sea" like Sedna. I speak but I am not believed. What's more, it's an intercepted house... I've read about a *way through* the strife and discord being indicated by a "duplicate house". Any thoughts on this? Thank you

PS. Also, any thoughts on the place of birth? I may have been born below sea level.

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Hello Everyone, I, too, am unsure about whether to choose sidereal or tropical. I *like* my sidereal chart better - just because the intercepted houses (6 and 12) contain two signs in their entirety, while the tropical version of my chart is quite different.

Hello XenaSharon - Using Whole Sign house system
TOTALLY solves the dilemma
of intercepted houses
http://www.librarising.com/astrology...ignhouses.html

Extended Chart Selection page of astro.com offers a selection of fourteen different house systems to choose from
INCLUDING whole sign



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'...In no other area of astrology is there so much mess and confusion than in the area of the so-called "houses". There are at least twenty or thirty different house systems or means of dividing the so-called "birthchart" into twelve segments of life activity. In astrology, houses, mansions, or domains, represent general areas of life activity and are the grounding areas or arenas of expression for planets. Originally, the words "houses" and "signs" were interchangeable or meant the same thing. A planet in Aries was also a planet in the house of Aries, so that in effect. there were no real houses as we know them today....'


'….Artificial divisions now known as houses were attempts by early Greeks and Hindus to measure strength "points" in the horoscope, which during 7th and 8th centuries AD were construed or confused as means of dividing the birth chart. The ascendant and midheaven degrees and their opposites, for example, were definite power points or areas of intense focus, but not necessarily the beginnings of a house or quadrant. In fact, there is no real basis for the astrological houses at all. They derive from a misunderstanding of the true nature of the Ascendant and Midheaven factors in astrology, Ascendant representing Earth/terrestial sphere, and Midheaven representing Sky/Heaven /celestial sphere....'


'...If any house system should be used at all, it should be the Whole Sign House system, where the ascendant sign becomes the whole first house and the others follow. Ascendant point can then fall anywhere in the first house and the midheaven point anywhere in the upper half of the chart. The Whole Sign House system was used by the ancient Greeks and the Hindus(who still use it today). It is the oldest and simplest house system in existence, and immediateley eliminates the awful mess astrologers have made on the issue over the last 1300 years or so....'

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A moon in Sagittarius (sidereal) seems positive to me, however a moon in Capricorn seems negative (tropical)... because the New Moon in Capricorn of 1 Feb 2003 has particular significance for me with regards to the past. I will try and post both charts.

Tropical
http://www.astro.com/cgi/chart.cgi?c...&ast=4561%2C+5

Sidereal
http://www.astro.com/cgi/chart.cgi?c...&ast=4561%2C+5

I've been looking at my 12th house where I have Chiron. Incidentally, Chiron was discovered on or around my birthday which is just great (not). From the 12th house on the sidereal chart I have something like: the house of secrets, the subconscious... but Chiron is there so there is an injury to this house, a secret injury to the house of the subconscious, self-inflicted (like the self-inflicted wound of Chiron), Astrea brings in the idea of "all the way to the end" or "holding on for too long", strife and discord, a struggle for survival... I have gone "down to the bottom of the sea" like Sedna. I speak but I am not believed. What's more, it's an intercepted house... I've read about a *way through* the strife and discord being indicated by a "duplicate house". Any thoughts on this? Thank you
You can use both Sidereal and Tropical
- they're just different methods of measurement of Earth's journey around our Sun from our perspective

- as illustrated visually on brief video
EARTH'S MOTION AROUND THE SUN NOT AS SIMPLE AS I THOUGHT
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82p-D...eature=related

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Thanks JUPITERASC,

I wasn't really concerned so much about resolving that aspect of the chart but I will have a look at using Whole House Signs.

Tropical (intercepted)
http://www.astro.com/cgi/chart.cgi?c...&ast=4581%2C+5

Sidereal (intercepted)
http://www.astro.com/cgi/chart.cgi?c...&ast=4581%2C+5
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Why choose between such two systems when you can enjoy rejecting them both...! (kidding...partly...)


Regardless of the actual truth (learnable in some afterlife), the continued non-resolution of this zodiac issue causes (for adherents like me who have not delved as deeply as the above comments) a perennial, silent state of pre-embarrassment in case any overly-curious client/layman urges an explanation devoid of a perceived hocus-pocus component.

...and since, deep down, I prefer to believe this avocation works primarily because of energy(?) flows(?) rather than primarily because of some species-generated unconscious mythology, the embarrassment seems best escapable by reducing reliance on sign-based analysis and analogies in favor of refilling the data coffers to a level required to feed the synergistic blender with something else (e.g., asteroids, fixed stars and/or minors).

Among them, perhaps minors appear least embraced because they mostly don't play-by-the-rules of sign-based analysis and analogies (e.g., elements and whole sections of the sky that get along vs. those that don't) but I swear by them (now after 4 years of refocusing on aspects instead of signs) and perceive an appreciable improvement (say from 70% to 90%) in my right:wrong guess ratio (both in remote and face-to-face mini-reading), compared to the 40 years prior sign-based experience.

So I'm wondering whether some of the heat poured-in to justifying belief in either of these systems could be productively spent on loosening reliance on sign-based analysis of either tradition and, instead, selecting another source to fill up the data bank from which synergistic analysis is performable.

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In the East (India), before sign/rashi systems arose, they had an entire system based on the nakshatras (Lunar Mansions), planets placed in them, planets transiting through them, etc etc; remnants of that system are found still in Vedic astrology (their dasha periods, the use of various 28 and 27 nakshatra based chakras, etc) and also to a certain extent in tthe West through the continued use by some, of the 28 Lunar Mansions (aka "Arabic Mansions")...so, in fact, one could work with these ancient matrices in preference to or even in place of the 12 signs (or constellations)-certainly the literature is availlable to do so (if one looks for it)
...me? I think the signs are of maximum importance and would not care to give them up (although as "Fixed star Farr" I pay considerable attention to stars-individual ones especially-but also constellations and Lunar Mansions/nakshatras as well)...
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Thank you Everyone for commenting.

So, would the reading of my chart as sidereal be drastically different from the tropical one?

I saw my natal chart for the first time about a year ago and was fascinated (as was my astrologer) by the emphasis in the intercepted 6th house of health, in opposition to Chiron, which was discovered on or just after my actual birthday, 18 October 1977. For this reason, I think that the idea of 'intercepted' houses has some weight.

Can anyone see any strengths in the chart or am I completely doomed? (This is not what my astrologer said, it is just what I think.) Keeping in mind this is a "night chart" so what is below the horizon is illuminated by the sun, which is flanked by Athena and Mercury on either side in conjunction.

BTW there was a boy born around the same time as me in the same hospital, carried shortly after birth by the same nurse who tripped and stumbled without injuring us. His natal chart would be almost identical to mine. I think it might be interesting to compare lives if only I could find the person. Then it might be clearer as to whether to use tropical or sidereal, or intercepted or whole houses.
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Thank you Everyone for commenting.

So, would the reading of my chart as sidereal be drastically different from the tropical one?

I saw my natal chart for the first time about a year ago and was fascinated (as was my astrologer) by the emphasis in the intercepted 6th house of health, in opposition to Chiron, which was discovered on or just after my actual birthday, 18 October 1977. For this reason, I think that the idea of 'intercepted' houses has some weight.

Can anyone see any strengths in the chart or am I completely doomed? (This is not what my astrologer said, it is just what I think.) Keeping in mind this is a "night chart" so what is below the horizon is illuminated by the sun, which is flanked by Athena and Mercury on either side in conjunction.

BTW there was a boy born around the same time as me in the same hospital, carried shortly after birth by the same nurse who tripped and stumbled without injuring us. His natal chart would be almost identical to mine. I think it might be interesting to compare lives if only I could find the person. Then it might be clearer as to whether to use tropical or sidereal, or intercepted or whole houses.
There's an online Western Sidereal Astrology website
that gives guidance
as well as example chart delineation
plus an online forum
http://www.solunars.com/ now you can learn both Tropical and Sidereal
and delineate your chart using BOTH
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Hi! I am in the same boat as you. However, I have been studying Tropical Astrology since my mom had first showed it to me (since I was 6 or 7). But, as I grew older (Im turning 17 early December), I began to grow curious of other astrological systems since Sagittarius, Aqua Moon & Virgo Rising just didnt seem to fit me. Maybe a little - but not quite, you know? There isn't that "Aha!" moment. Then, I discovered Sidereal Astrology. At first I was very uneasy. "Me? A Scorpio? Psssh." Then I began to research a bit, and although many people might not particularly like Sidereal, I found that my results were scary accurate. However, when I read my families' charts for them in that system - they found it didn't describe them much at all. So I would say, yes, it's a very personal thing. However as long as it's accurate to YOU and you enjoy it, then you can partake in it and who cares what others think. I hope this helps and good luck on your endeavors.
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Based upon my own experiences and predictive experiments, I must state that I consider the tropical model (the zodiac of signs) to be more reliably and consistently accurate than the sidereal model (the zodiac of constellations)...
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ANY planet at 0° OF any TROPICAL SIGN

is SIDEREALLY between approximately 6° - 10°
up to a maximum 24°
of the PREVIOUS SIGN

dependent on the ayanamsha






a practical way to check that information is to view transiting MOON
at your locality
because
MOON is the swiftest moving celestial body from our perspective on planet Earth
and since

MOON visits each SIGN once a month aka "moonth"
it is therefore a simple matter to confirm that MOON
IS NOT ALWAYS IN SAME SIGN BOTH TROPICALLY AND SIDEREALLY
because
although Astrologers
whether Tropical or Sidereal
are observing THE IDENTICAL MOON in the skies
there is a minimum difference of 20° up to a maximum of approximately 24°
between TROPICAL AND SIDEREAL MEASUREMENT

so
when local skies are clear of clouds
and local Moon is seen above the local horizon
then
by visual observation at night
todays Moon locality is clearly observed with a CONSTELLATION in the background
i.e.so that's todays SIDEREAL location of the Moon

BUT
in contrast
todays computer generated tropical chart shows that
todays TROPICAL Moon
is up to a maximum of
24° AHEAD of Sidereal Moon
even though it is the same Moon on the same day and at the same time

once each month, Tropical AND Sidereal measurement places MOON in SAME SIGN
but always in a DIFFERENT DEGREE OF THAT SAME SIGN


VISUAL ANIMATION CLEARLY ILLUSTRATING
TROPICAL & SIDEREAL PERSPECTIVE
WITH DESCRIPTIVE NARRATIVE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82p-...eature=related











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Based upon my own experiences and predictive experiments, I must state that I consider the tropical model (the zodiac of signs) to be more reliably and consistently accurate than the sidereal model (the zodiac of constellations)...
How about natal? That's where I see tropical fail. Predictive astrology isn't a reliable source because of free will. There I find both systems do equally well/bad.
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Ryan Kurczak is a Vedic astrologer who used to use the sidereal zodiac but then switched to tropical.

Here is a video of him talking about this

While testing the tropical zodiac in his practice, his readings became so much more accurate that his client based doubled within a few months due to clients being astonished and recommending him by word of mouth.

Quote from the video:

"I have to admit that over the 10 years that I was doing sidereal vedic astrology, I never used the signs. I would just look at what the planets meant in the houses and where the interchanges were and yogas... but I never used the signs because it never seemed to fit. And that was one thing that a number of astrologers had told me.
...
So as soon as we switched... [to tropical] ...the planets in signs all made sense.
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Sidereal should be more scientific, astronomical and accurate to the very degree the sun or planet is located on the ecliptic. For example, Sep 1st is when the Sun is 20' Leo instead of 10' Virgo (tropical). I don't exactly understood why there are 360 degrees in a 365-day calendar (an extra day every four years, example: since 2000, known as leap year).
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Ryan Kurczak is a Vedic astrologer who used to use the sidereal zodiac but then switched to tropical.

Here is a video of him talking about this

While testing the tropical zodiac in his practice, his readings became so much more accurate that his client based doubled within a few months due to clients being astonished and recommending him by word of mouth.

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"I have to admit that over the 10 years that I was doing sidereal vedic astrology, I never used the signs. I would just look at what the planets meant in the houses and where the interchanges were and yogas... but I never used the signs because it never seemed to fit. And that was one thing that a number of astrologers had told me.
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So as soon as we switched... [to tropical] ...the planets in signs all made sense.
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Kenneth Bowser correctly predicted Trumps winning US Presidency
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KENNETH BOWSER
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Kenneth Bowser correctly predicted Trumps winning US Presidency
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is one of vew astrologers who managed to do so
Kenneth Bowser published the prediction on his website Sunday 16 May 2016

https://www.westernsiderealastrology...-election-news
Sorry, JupAsc, but this article isn’t relevant to the whole tropical/sidereal zodiac debate at all! The author only makes use of such things as aspects, angles and transits, but not of signs and other features exclusive to the sidereal zodiac. You could literally get the exact same result if you used the tropical zodiac. Good for Kenneth that he managed to get the right result, but his prediction is utterly irrelevant to this debate.
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Sorry, JupAsc, but this article isn’t relevant to the whole tropical/sidereal zodiac debate at all! The author only makes use of such things as aspects, angles and transits, but not of signs and other features exclusive to the sidereal zodiac. You could literally get the exact same result if you used the tropical zodiac. Good for Kenneth that he managed to get the right result, but his prediction is utterly irrelevant to this debate.
That's not entirely true. For someone of Trump's age, there will be more or less a whole days difference for the time of the returns if one is using its sidereal position as compared to its tropical position.

So naturally the angles and the moon will be significantly different in their aspects. Western sidereal astrologers rely highly on those angles in timing and choosing which planets to consider significant etc.

That said, predicting the president - while everyone loves those kind of "big" predictions and makes a big deal of them - really isn't a statistically marvelous prediction compared to many other things astrologers are called upon to predict. By the time a lot got around to doing it, it came down to a coin flip.
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That's not entirely true. For someone of Trump's age, there will be more or less a whole days difference for the time of the returns if one is using its sidereal position as compared to its tropical position.

So naturally the angles and the moon will be significantly different in their aspects. Western sidereal astrologers rely highly on those angles in timing and choosing which planets to consider significant etc.

That said, predicting the president - while everyone loves those kind of "big" predictions and makes a big deal of them - really isn't a statistically marvelous prediction compared to many other things astrologers are called upon to predict. By the time a lot got around to doing it, it came down to a coin flip.
God dammit. That’s good to know, I guess. The author actually mentions the exact same thing you said about solar returns under his article, but I didn’t notice it. But oh well, at least my argument is still valid about the inauguration and relocation charts (right?).

I agree with you about all those predictions about the election, here the choice was only between two candidates, so you could actually flip a coin and go along with it... Also I think the problem was that many astrologers had a candidate they favored so naturally they mixed the objective use of different techniques with wishful thinking and got the incorrect result, but it still doesn’t mean they’re bad at what they’re doing. I mean, it’s still pretty cool that some astrologers can get predictions like this right but I think astrology is capable of much, much more than that especially if we remove our subjective interests from our predictions.

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How about natal? .
I have found tropical MUCH more consistently reliable and closer in accuracy in natal delineation than sidereal, indeed, its in natal (rather than in predictive) astrology that I have seen (by my experiences) the significant superiority of tropical over the sidereal model.

Remember that I am only talking about my own experiences in astrological delineation over the past 54 years; I am only expressing my own conclusions.
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I have found tropical MUCH more consistently reliable and closer in accuracy in natal delineation than sidereal, indeed, its in natal (rather than in predictive) astrology that I have seen (by my experiences) the significant superiority of tropical over the sidereal model.

Remember that I am only talking about my own experiences in astrological delineation over the past 54 years; I am only expressing my own conclusions.
What is your method in natal?
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Tropical, largely Modernist, with inclusion of Manilius Decans, certain Lots, and examination of Fixed Star connections, using the whole sign house format.
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