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Having psychic ability does not mean someone has a moral core.
Like any other ability, it can be used for good or evil.
I personally believe that psychic ability is a channel by means of which people from the other realm pass on messages to this one. But i feel one should rather wait for the messages and pass them on when the time is appropriate. We are only a 'tool'. One should not try to take things 'into the own hands'. Thats where the Cleveland psychic must have gone wrong. Ego overpowered the psychic.

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Yes Edgar Cayce has a remarkable chart. He has his Sun, Mercury, Venus, North Node, Saturn all in Pisces. The Saturn gave him the intense discipline and work ethic that was a defining trait. He also had a wonderful Moon/Pluto/Neptune on the MC. Moon/Pluto (Hades Moon) is the rare sign of a direct clairvoyant. Edgar Cayce was the greatest psychic of the 20th century.

I have a Pisces Sun, Moon, Mercury and North Node. And I have good mediumship skills.
You might look to see if your Pisces Sun/Mercury has any connection to Pluto or your 8h, perhaps also 12h.

I think you raise a really good point about fear and psychic skills. People not only ridicule those with psychic skills, but fear them as well. If we understood it is just another human trait, and most of us have some psychic ability, it would be less scary. The majority of the American people in polls state that they have had contact with a deceased relative, we know all these people are not mentally ill.

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Julia,

I put up my chart a few months ago about Neptune on ASC square sun/Mercury in Pisces and you nailed it with your reading! You probably don't remember as you help loads of people here with their charts! 😊 you are so talented!
It's so nice to talk to like minded people, and there is a huge stigma attached to having any abilities like that when it comes to your daily life, and it's not fair that's true. I know people are getting more open nowadays but it's taking a long time 😊 I remember a few deaths in past lives because of this gift and I have an inherent reluctance to show my hand so to speak in this life either, though I kind of feel like my 12h nn and 6h south node in Gemini is telling me to be myself. Plenty of time to go when my kids are grown up..
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I personally believe that psychic ability is a channel by means of which people from the other realm pass on messages to this one. But i feel one should rather wait for the messages and pass them on when the time is appropriate. We are only a 'tool'. One should not try to take things 'into the own hands'. Thats where the Cleveland psychic must have gone wrong. Ego overpowered the psychic.
Hi RaRohini!

I agree that ego is the downfall of many a psychic.
That is why some very successful psychics lose their abilities.
Ego, fame all begin to cloud their judgement and talent.

I think that psychic information comes from a number of sources. It can be from from entities from the other side, such as guides or discarnate beings. Some people can tap into the Akashic Records which is another source of information. Another source is something I call the River of Time. Time is a river, and we can jump in and out to get information.

And yes, we are just the go between, everything comes from the Other Side.

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Julia,

I put up my chart a few months ago about Neptune on ASC square sun/Mercury in Pisces and you nailed it with your reading! You probably don't remember as you help loads of people here with their charts! 😊 you are so talented!
It's so nice to talk to like minded people, and there is a huge stigma attached to having any abilities like that when it comes to your daily life, and it's not fair that's true. I know people are getting more open nowadays but it's taking a long time 😊 I remember a few deaths in past lives because of this gift and I have an inherent reluctance to show my hand so to speak in this life either, though I kind of feel like my 12h nn and 6h south node in Gemini is telling me to be myself. Plenty of time to go when my kids are grown up..
Hi Lainey,

Oh yes, I recall now. Sorry not to remember. When I am looking at a chart, I am totally into it. When I am finished, I don't remember much about it and start the next chart with a clean slate. Yes your Neptune on the Asc is the source of communication with discarnate beings. I have a 12h Pluto, which I think is the source of mine, along with my Pisces and water placements.

I enjoy communication with discarnate beings, it is one of my favorite psychic abilities. It is fun, easy and quite interesting.

Yes your 12/6 Nodal Axis is an important part of your chart. When your children are grown you can dive into some interesting things! There are so many psychic topics to explore.

Yes indeed, very good point, most of us have suffered in past lives for our abilities. So there is a reluctance to speak out now. We don't want to get burned at the stake again.

Yes it is important for us to talk with others about these topics. The spirituality sub-forum here seems to be under utilized and perhaps, if there is interest, we could start posting there about psychic abilities, etc. ??

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Hi RaRohini!

I agree that ego is the downfall of many a psychic.
That is why some very successful psychics lose their abilities.
Ego, fame all begin to cloud their judgement and talent.

I think that psychic information comes from a number of sources. It can be from from entities from the other side, such as guides or discarnate beings. Some people can tap into the Akashic Records which is another source of information. Another source is something I call the River of Time. Time is a river, and we can jump in and out to get information.

And yes, we are just the go between, everything comes from the Other Side.

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Thats a very interesting observation that you made Julia. Time is a river. Its a beautiful analogy. As per Hinduism (Garuda Purana) one has to cross the Vaitarini river to go to the realm of the dead and the journey is dangerous !
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There are some other threads where we are making comments about psychic ability shown in the natal chart. It is thought that psychic talent will be shown by Moon/Venus/Mercury aspects to the Neptune, Pluto and Uranus. So inner to outer planet aspects.

I believe that psychic ability is quite common in the general population. And like other human abilities it is evenly distributed, a bell shaped curve. Unfortunately, these abilities don't easily manifest, given that in our society such talents are not developed or encouraged. In fact they are denigrated and ridiculed. So for most people, the talent is dormant. And for those who are aware of their talents, they keep a low profile. Someon with talent is either mocked or made a new age guru, neither option desirable for those with a moral core.

It is also well known in the psychic community that there are many kinds of psychic talent. Just like those with athletic or musical talent, it manifests in different areas. One can be quite athletic, be good at football, but not tennis, etc. Psychic talents are the same kind of thing.

I have been trying to identify general psychic markers in a chart, and then the markers for specific psychic talents. Neptune aspects, and water planets indicate general ability, clairvoyance, etc. I think that Pluto/Mercury would indicate mediumship ability, the ability to communicate with discarnate beings. Uranus may indicate healing ability, along with Chiron.

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My sister has a Mercury-Pluto conjunction and is a medium. I'm not quite sure she can communicate with other beings - she says she can hear them - but she certainly can see them. Has had this ability since childhood.
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I believe in dreams and that dreams tell us the future as it is mentioned in religions, but I don't know still about people "automatic" ability to look into the future. I believe this psychic abilities can occurs as form of visions like dreams when the mind state is awake but not fully aware. Like you are sleep and receiving those messages in shape of dream, you can be awake and still receives them but I'm not sure if you can control them.

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Thats a very interesting observation that you made Julia. Time is a river. Its a beautiful analogy. As per Hinduism (Garuda Purana) one has to cross the Vaitarini river to go to the realm of the dead and the journey is dangerous !
Thank you for sharing this RaRohini.
I don't know much about the River of Time.
It is just what I see in my head, and what I call it.
It looks like a river.

I also see events looking like a large mosiac tile picture, with some of the tiles still spinning. Free will has not yet gelled things is some cases.

When I communicate with discarnate beings, I do not see a river, it feels like they are quite near by. And I sense no danger at all. But then nothing in the psychic world has ever alarmed me in the least. So I tend to be fearless when it comes it comes to other realms. The human realm is much more scary by far!

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@Julia, do you study psychic abilities in natal charts? Do you have any thoughts on transits and déjà-vu?

(Not trying to derail from the OT. Some interpret déjà-vu as a part of clairvoyance, when you're immediately reminded of something already predicted but before forgotten )

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@Julia, do you study psychic abilities in natal charts? Do you have any thoughts on transits and déjà-vu?

(Not trying to derail from the OT. Some interpret déjà-vu as a part of clairvoyance, when you're immediately reminded of something already predicted but before forgotten )
Yes, I have been working on identifying psychic abilities in the natal chart for some time now, and have compiled a list of psychic markers. There is another thread where we have been talking about this topic, looking at the charts of known psychics and forum members.

I think transits could definitely trigger deja vu. I would look for transits to the 12 house and Uranus transits. Uranus is known to trigger deja vu experiences.

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What about named asteroids? I have my named asteroid square Pluto and Sedna...is this an indicator, as it shows a preoccupation with such themes like truth and death?
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What about named asteroids? I have my named asteroid square Pluto and Sedna...is this an indicator, as it shows a preoccupation with such themes like truth and death?
Hi Bluebell,

I think it would be interesting to take a look at some of the asteroids and psychic ability. Truth and death would seem to make sense as appropriate psychic themes. Have you taken a look at Edgar Cayce's chart for these asteroid placements?

The only asteroid/comet/planet I work with is Chiron, and with certain placements it can indicate healing ability or a healing vocation, which could involve psychic ability.

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Interesting thread - I'm keen to follow this topic, and visit the past thread that was mentioned.

Similarly to evolutionary astrology, where individuals reflect the archetypes of the chart differently depending on the state of being they are enacting, an aspect reflective of psychic ability could manifest as something else depending on the person.

For example, I have a Mercury (12H) on my AC in a square to a Uranus/Neptune conj. (3H). My Mercury is also in a trine to Saturn (4H). It's clear that Saturn provides an eloquence and structure to my voice, as I provide astrological guidance and compose music seemingly coming from outside of myself.

A different person with this same configuration could have a speech impediment, eventually corrected by a surgery performed by a family friend. This isn't to say that the second individual doesn't have clairvoyant abilities, but they may just be dormant or disregarded, or not necessary in their current mode of being.

The archetypes will help the individual's life regardless, as that is their energetic signature, yet I don't think it's possible to exactly say how someone is using the energies without getting a feeling for who they are as a person. Does anyone disagree on this? I'd be interested in hearing your thoughts.

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Hi,

You might find the following thread interesting: http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum...ad.php?t=97579
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Interesting, aquarius7000. Seems like we're moving closer to our niche, moving from the chat sub-forum to modern astrology .

You mentioned similar aspects that you shared with Bluebell. I have many similarities to the ones you mentioned - Mercury (rules 12H) tightly aspecting Neptune, Venus in water sign (Pisces, not Scorpio) conjunct Moon. Although I'm not much of a dreamer (at least at night), I think that I could take the differences in my chart, and account for them in terms of clarevoyance. It's incredible, all of the different types of sensitivity that there is, and the way it presents itself according to the chart.

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I have experienced clairvoyance, specifically prophetic dreams. I'm also able to read people very accurately in person. I don't know if that's a touch of clairvoyance or just perceptiveness. I have no idea what in my chart might indicate those things. Feel free to look if you're interested.
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I have experienced clairvoyance, specifically prophetic dreams. I'm also able to read people very accurately in person. I don't know if that's a touch of clairvoyance or just perceptiveness. I have no idea what in my chart might indicate those things. Feel free to look if you're interested.
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Had a quick glance, and you have a Piscean Moon in a square to Neptune. The ruler of your Asc. is in the 12th house (house of Pisces) and in a sextile to a Piscean Jupiter. I think these could account for the quality.
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Witchyone:

Your north node is in Sag. It's ruler, Jupiter is located in a square from Pisces (11H), as well as being trine the ruler of the south node, Mercury in Cancer (2H). Coming from a place of emotional stability, you are able to experience others energetically in regard to their own potential and connection to the greater vision - do they feel safe? How are they working toward their higher purpose? There is a catch, however, in that you need the experiences of other people as gauges to recognize how in tune you are feeling emotionally. The Sun (1H) on the south node accentuates this idea. Your sense of inner purpose acts as a battery for you to reflect the emotional needs of people back to themselves. When you are able to feel safe and driven, you act as a mirror to inspire others to feel the same, and to see themselves in a clearer light.

In regards to the clairvoyance as a whole, I see Jupiter in Pisces (11H) as really driving your chart - the mystic, social architect, dreamer. It also has a lovely sextile to Venus (12H), which aquarius7000 mentioned in the previous post.
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Your north node is in Sag. It's ruler, Jupiter is located in a square from Pisces (11H), as well as being trine the ruler of the south node, Mercury in Cancer (2H). Coming from a place of emotional stability, you are able to experience others energetically in regard to their own potential and connection to the greater vision - do they feel safe? How are they working toward their higher purpose? There is a catch, however, in that you need the experiences of other people as gauges to recognize how in tune you are feeling emotionally. The Sun (1H) on the south node accentuates this idea. Your sense of inner purpose acts as a battery for you to reflect the emotional needs of people back to themselves. When you are able to feel safe and driven, you act as a mirror to inspire others to feel the same, and to see themselves in a clearer light.

In regards to the clairvoyance as a whole, I see Jupiter in Pisces (11H) as really driving your chart - the mystic, social architect, dreamer. It also has a lovely sextile to Venus (12H), which aquarius7000 mentioned in the previous post.
Thanks so much, Merlyn! There's a lot here to digest here, but you've hit on a familiar energy that I haven't explored much before (the north node in sag is very difficult to understand.)

So, it seems consensus is that Pisces, Neptune, other watery planets and the 12th house are important when considering clairvoyance.
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I've got my north node in Sag as well, and I agree, it's difficult to understand. I think that the position of a teacher is it's clearest manifestation, so it sounds like you're in a good place.

Uranus is often described as the higher octave of Mercury, so that's going to be a signifier of our sensitivities to outside planes as well. Pisces, Neptune, and water signs/houses is a good list . . . to me, Mercury in one of these placements is going to be the most telling, as that's how we intuit and communicate information.

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I've got my north node in Sag as well, and I agree, it's difficult to understand. I think that the position of a teacher is it's clearest manifestation, so it sounds like you're in a good place.

Uranus is often described as the higher octave of Mercury, so that's going to be a signifier of our sensitivities to outside planes as well. Pisces, Neptune, and water signs/houses is a good list . . . to me, Mercury in one of these placements is going to be the most telling, as that's how we intuit and communicate information.

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Regarding North Node in Sagg...sometimes I feel like I'm everyone's parent. Not mom, not dad, because it doesn't feel gendered. I just feel parental and protective of people, in general. Does that resonate with you?

I've heard that about Mercury before, actually. I had just forgotten. If you consider the mythology surrounding Mercury as the god who was able to move back and forth between all the planes of being to carry messages, it makes a lot of sense.

Uranus is the planet I understand least at this point. It's useful to me to start with a simplistic description and then get more complex from there. I just found something that called Uranus the planet of rebellion. Do you think that's a good starting point for understanding Uranus?
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That seems more to do with the south node influence - ruler conjunct Saturn in Cancer, with your Sun located right on the node.

With the nodes, I see them as representing a polarity which is constant in each of our lives - one of abundance (north node) or one of lack (south node). They each exist simultaneously, depending on where we habitually place our focus. We can either act in service to our own security and egoic needs, or serve something greater than ourselves, acting as a conduit for that sense of spirit.

My nodal axis is interesting in that the signs fall in opposite houses (Gem in 9H, Sag in 3H). I can't really relate to the parent feeling you mentioned, but there is definitely an innate teacher in the way that I relate to others. I think that I'll make another thread related to the topic of the north node in Sag.

Interestingly enough, I have Jupiter square my axis as well. We can talk about that more, and I can point you toward some reading material if that interests you.

'Planet of rebellion' definitely describes Uranus, but there is a much greater depth to each of the transpersonal planets. On the surface we see eccentricity, extra-sensory perception, genius, rebellion . . . The energy of the planet is going to be something which connects each of these ideas. I guess I see what you mean by that. Can you explain more what you feel from Uranus? Maybe we can take it apart and see how it connects to clairvoyance.

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I have multiple psychic markers in my natal chart but being raised Catholic, I was told that talking to spirit was "demonic". I stomped my abilities down deep inside. Throughout my life I continued to have contact with spirit but was afraid to open to the experience.
Years later after a really traumatic event (family member disappearing) my husband contacted reliable psychics who work with law enforcement. I became friends with one of them. She told me, "Look, what I am, you are too." She lovingly helped me to develop this part of who I am.
Ever since then, I have remained connected to my gift. I do not charge for readings and only share with people who ask for info. I get communications from time to time. I have precognitions which have been profound.
I am honest and not interested in charging for info. Most of my professional life has been as a Registered Nurse and with that exposure I have been able to help many, many people.
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Interesting thread - I'm keen to follow this topic, and visit the past thread that was mentioned.

Similarly to evolutionary astrology, where individuals reflect the archetypes of the chart differently depending on the state of being they are enacting, an aspect reflective of psychic ability could manifest as something else depending on the person.

For example, I have a Mercury (12H) on my AC in a square to a Uranus/Neptune conj. (3H). My Mercury is also in a trine to Saturn (4H). It's clear that Saturn provides an eloquence and structure to my voice, as I provide astrological guidance and compose music seemingly coming from outside of myself.

A different person with this same configuration could have a speech impediment, eventually corrected by a surgery performed by a family friend. This isn't to say that the second individual doesn't have clairvoyant abilities, but they may just be dormant or disregarded, or not necessary in their current mode of being.

The archetypes will help the individual's life regardless, as that is their energetic signature, yet I don't think it's possible to exactly say how someone is using the energies without getting a feeling for who they are as a person. Does anyone disagree on this? I'd be interested in hearing your thoughts.

Cheers, Merlyn
Hi Merlyn,

In the past, I have thought a lot about your basic point, and I agree that psychic abilities interact with a person's specific persona, education, interests, talents, world view, etc.

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Re: Clairvoyance in a chart

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Interesting, aquarius7000. Seems like we're moving closer to our niche, moving from the chat sub-forum to modern astrology .

You mentioned similar aspects that you shared with Bluebell. I have many similarities to the ones you mentioned - Mercury (rules 12H) tightly aspecting Neptune, Venus in water sign (Pisces, not Scorpio) conjunct Moon. Although I'm not much of a dreamer (at least at night), I think that I could take the differences in my chart, and account for them in terms of clarevoyance. It's incredible, all of the different types of sensitivity that there is, and the way it presents itself according to the chart.

Merlyn

LOL I was hoping we were moving closer to the spirituality sub forum, our niche.

The Mercury/Neptune gives a strong right and left brain for you? Would you say that you use your intelligence in an intuitive way?

And can you tell me more how you think your Pisces Venus conjunct Moon manifests? Is there an artistic, beauty, people slant to the psychic talents? So you have a Pisces Moon?
If so, a psychic moon.

Julia
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