david starling
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Velikovsky was convicted of fraud. He was a con man.
It's a great read though. With a lot of Biblical connections included. Very imaginative!
Velikovsky was convicted of fraud. He was a con man.
SiriuslyOkay, I'm going with modern archeologists and their hard evidence.
The one thing modern science is good for is studying the material world.
I just read a summary, you are correct, I would probably enjoy this.
I checked at abebooks.com I will order it. Thank you David!
Siriusly
New research shows, that
some estimates based on carbon may have erred by thousands of years.
Since the rate of depletion has been accurately determined
half of any given amount of carbon 14 decays in 5,730 years
scientists can calculate the time elapsed since something died from its residual carbon 14.
ERRORS ARE FEARED IN CARBON DATING https://www.nytimes.com/1990/05/31/us/errors-are-feared-in-carbon-dating.html
It's a great read though. With a lot of Biblical connections included. Very imaginative!
Velikovsky was convicted of fraud. He was a con man.
Velikovsky was convicted of fraud. He was a con man.
They carbon-dated the material the Sphinx was fashioned from. If you use ancient stone to build your fireplace, does that make it an ancient fireplace, built by ancients?
david you have several faults in your logic.
first off carbon dating can not used on stone past a few thousand years.
there is artifact called narmers palette that shows the unification of the two Egypt's by the first king of both lower and upper Egypt . this artifact is on one side a geological representation of Egypt. this artifact predates the age of pyramids by many centuries. on the back side there is a pyramid on the geological representation at near the delta and giza. so how could there be a pyramid noted when pyramids were not existent then?
the ancient Egyptians did not know how to make a pyramids with a slope of 51 degrees. all Egyptian pyramids have a slope of 43.5 degrees, except the Giza pyramids.
The bent pyramid was created at the same time as the collapsed pyramid of King Sneferu .
These pyramids had a slope of over 51 degrees. After the collapsed pyramid collapsed….. the bent pyramid ‘s slope was changed to 43.5 degree slope. The bent pyramid had sated with a slope of over 50 degrees but when the first pyramid collapsed the bent pyramids slope was change from over 50 degrees to 43.5 degrees.
There are no hieroglyphs in the giza pyramids so there no evidence that the Egyptians built the pyramids. These are the only Egyptian pyramids that have no hieroglyphs.
No sarcophagus was found in any of the pyramids, but there was fraud involved in the identification of the kings with the pyramids.
The only reference to Cheops is a stela in front of the sphinx in which he acknowledges that he cleared the sand away from the sphinx in return he was made king.
the geological fact is that on the sphinx there is evidence of a great amount of water erosion.
water erosion tends downward and wind erosion gives stratified levels of erosion./ the water erosion is severe.. thousands of years. but there has not been enough precipitation in the nile valley to cause this much erosions for over 10,000 years when the Sahara desert was an vast inland sea.
these are geological facts. the sphinx has to be over 10,000 at the very least.
of course 300 gallons of kerosene brought down a 100 story building so.....so any fraud can be pasted off.
and of course, there is the small problem that using modern technology, the pyramids could not have been built except maybe within the last 50 years of modern technology.,
rahu
Good evidence the pyramids at Giza were built using concrete, poured into plywood forms. No modern technology needed.
That's how they determined the age of the Sphinx material as being far older than the Egyptian civilization. So, maybe they got that wrong.
There are Egyptian records concerning the building. But, hey, why not say they were built by ETs or Atlantians? Way more esoteric, right!?
you totally off line, the material is the least of the problem.
the orientation of the axis, the nearly exact orientation of the sides of the pyramid. these are all archeological standards that could not have been built in modern times until the advent of laser's. the sides which extended over 400 yards were nearly perfectly aligned to a fraction of a inch. this is simply impossible to achieve with out modern technology.
the mathematics of the pyramid are as much an enigma as the actual construction.
modern concrete has a life of just a little over 100 years before it decays. the romans that a better concrete that we do in modern times. the roman coliseum is nearly 2 thousand years old, some aqueducts are that age and still are functional. I have read the theory that the "Egyptians"used concrete but the quarries that match the rock used in the pyramids are known.
rahu
Thanks to all of you esp. Opal and david starling for this discussion! I wonder if Velikovsky was familiar with any non-monotheistic scriptures? Anyway his work sounds very interesting psychologically.
This book sounds fun:
Baillie, Mike (1999). Exodus to Arthur: Catastrophic Encounters with Comets
velikovsky's father was a eminent Talmudist and there are books older than the torah. velikovsky believed that true monotheism did not come into being until the reign of king Hezekiah
worlds in collision by velikovsky is the source book that these other collision theorists write from.
rahu
I can't find any reference to a Velikovsky fraud conviction.