Todays Moon - Its Tropical & Its Sidereal Location & Effect On Sign Ruler Influence

JUPITERASC

JUPITERASC

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Re: Todays Moon - Its Tropical & Its Sidereal Location & Effect On Sign Ruler Influen

david starling said:
Let's try this link
https://cura.free.fr/cura2/901meira.html
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alternatively
https://www.csus.edu/indiv/r/rileymt/Vettius Valens entire.pdf
david starling said:
No need, since you've presumably read it for yourself. :biggrin:
Says "page not found".
Must be Plutonian interference!
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12/12 probably :smile:
david starling said:
No, Russian hacking is most likely. :biggrin:
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Siriusly
and so on ad infinitum
Q.E.D.
 
JUPITERASC

JUPITERASC

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Re: Todays Moon - Its Tropical & Its Sidereal Location & Effect On Sign Ruler Influen

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Assuming local skies are clear

then
by visual observation at night
and using ALDEBARAN 15

MOON TODAY is visibly observed in local skies worldwide :smile:
petosiris said:
Actually, it is impossible to observe the Moon in the next few weeks at the south pole, so not worldwide :smile:


You also can't see some constellations for thousands of years.
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MOON IS CURRENTLY INGRESSING the CONSTELLATION of TAURUS
albeit not visible for the next few weeks at the south pole :smile:





TAURUS is the domicile aka home of VENUS



transiting MOON just entered FIRST DECAN of the CONSTELLATION of TAURUS


in assembly with SIDEREAL TAURUS MARS


tetragon SIDEREAL AQUARIUS MERCURY VENUS assembly


diameter SIDEREAL SCORPIO JUPITER




VIDEO ANIMATION OF TROPICAL & SIDEREAL PERSPECTIVE
WITH DESCRIPTIVE NARRATIVE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82p-DYgGFjI



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Quote:
Originally Posted by petosiris
1. The gods send signs to all nations, but they are not interpret the same for the different lands,
for one they signify hot weather, for another they signify cold weather,
and for third they signify temperate weather.


2. In the same way, the like-principles of rising times and daylight
become less discernible and causative in the equatorial zones.


3. Therefore another celestial influence is causative for nativities,
rather than the terrestrial effect of weather.
Otherwise, there would be no domicile, no exaltation
and no depression for the equatorial lands.


4. The rationale of the sidereal zodiac is compatible with this hypothesis,
the rationale of the tropical zodiac is not.


MOON travels each SIGN once a month aka "moonth"
and
IS NOT ALWAYS IN SAME SIGN BOTH TROPICALLY AND SIDEREALLY
because
although Astrologers
– whether Tropical or Sidereal
 – are commenting on and making predictions
regarding THE IDENTICAL MOON in the skies :smile:
computer generated Tropical Chart differs by DEGREE OCCUPIED BY THE MOON
from Sidereal DEGREE OCCUPIED BY MOON
Sidereal location of Moon may be confirmed BY VISUAL observation of local skies

there is a minimum difference of 20° up to a maximum of approximately 24°
between TROPICAL AND SIDEREAL MEASUREMENT
ANY planet at 0° OF any TROPICAL SIGN
 is SIDEREALLY between approximately 6° - 10°
to a maximum 24° of the PREVIOUS SIGN
dependent on the ayanamsha


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AN ILLUSTRATION OF DECANS
- EACH SIGN HAS THREE DECANS OF TEN DEGREES EACH
EACH DECAN IS RULED BY ONE OF THE SEVEN VISIBLE CLASSICAL PLANETS
and so
EACH DECAN IS DEMARCATED WITH THE SYMBOL OF A PLANET



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JUPITERASC

JUPITERASC

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Re: Todays Moon - Its Tropical & Its Sidereal Location & Effect On Sign Ruler Influen

for those who have not noticed


608532-46720-38.jpg


siderealsynodic.jpg






WETtZVc.jpg




Assuming local skies are clear

then
by visual observation at night
and using ALDEBARAN 15

MOON TODAY is visibly observed in local skies worldwide :smile:
petosiris said:
Actually, it is impossible to observe the Moon in the next few weeks at the south pole, so not worldwide :smile:


You also can't see some constellations for thousands of years.
Click to expand...





MOON IS CURRENTLY INGRESSING the CONSTELLATION of TAURUS
albeit not visible for the next few weeks at the south pole :smile:





TAURUS is the domicile aka home of VENUS



transiting MOON just entered FIRST DECAN of the CONSTELLATION of TAURUS


in assembly with SIDEREAL TAURUS MARS


tetragon SIDEREAL AQUARIUS MERCURY VENUS assembly


diameter SIDEREAL SCORPIO JUPITER




VIDEO ANIMATION OF TROPICAL & SIDEREAL PERSPECTIVE
WITH DESCRIPTIVE NARRATIVE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82p-DYgGFjI



mCycles_prec.png






Quote:
Originally Posted by petosiris
1. The gods send signs to all nations, but they are not interpret the same for the different lands,
for one they signify hot weather, for another they signify cold weather,
and for third they signify temperate weather.


2. In the same way, the like-principles of rising times and daylight
become less discernible and causative in the equatorial zones.


3. Therefore another celestial influence is causative for nativities,
rather than the terrestrial effect of weather.
Otherwise, there would be no domicile, no exaltation
and no depression for the equatorial lands.


4. The rationale of the sidereal zodiac is compatible with this hypothesis,
the rationale of the tropical zodiac is not.


MOON travels each SIGN once a month aka "moonth"
and
IS NOT ALWAYS IN SAME SIGN BOTH TROPICALLY AND SIDEREALLY
because
although Astrologers
– whether Tropical or Sidereal
 – are commenting on and making predictions
regarding THE IDENTICAL MOON in the skies :smile:
computer generated Tropical Chart differs by DEGREE OCCUPIED BY THE MOON
from Sidereal DEGREE OCCUPIED BY MOON
Sidereal location of Moon may be confirmed BY VISUAL observation of local skies

there is a minimum difference of 20° up to a maximum of approximately 24°
between TROPICAL AND SIDEREAL MEASUREMENT
ANY planet at 0° OF any TROPICAL SIGN
 is SIDEREALLY between approximately 6° - 10°
to a maximum 24° of the PREVIOUS SIGN
dependent on the ayanamsha


Synodic-and-Sidereal-3.png
 
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SunConjunctUranus

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Re: Todays Moon - Its Tropical & Its Sidereal Location & Effect On Sign Ruler Influen

david starling said:
Tropical, unless it can be shown otherwise.

Please cite sources if attempting to prove he used sidereal Sign locations.
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Absolutely sidereal zodiac! :biggrin:

QUOTE
"...

Book 13: The Proper Natures & Strengths of the Individual Planets & the Fixed Stars

Translator's preface

Section 1: The elemental, etheric & celestial nature of the planets:
Preface
1. That Ptolemy, Cardin & the other old astrologers made many errors in handing down the elemental nature of the planets

..."

http://www.astroamerica.com/morin.html

Would you buy Morin's book for me, ds? Plz!? :crying:
 
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SunConjunctUranus

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I believe Jean Baptiste Morin is a person who singlehandedly summarizing the greatness of Ancients, Hellenistic, and Medieval era pertaining to Astrology. Because he explained naturalistic view on astrology which lacking in Valens book.

He might be the reicarnation of Valens!

Ds, plz! Purchase his book! :crying:

Btw, he is tropical Sun sign Pisces! Just like yourself! :smile:

SunConjunctUranus said:
Absolutely sidereal zodiac! :biggrin:

QUOTE
"...

Book 13: The Proper Natures & Strengths of the Individual Planets & the Fixed Stars

Translator's preface

Section 1: The elemental, etheric & celestial nature of the planets:
Preface
1. That Ptolemy, Cardin & the other old astrologers made many errors in handing down the elemental nature of the planets

..."

http://www.astroamerica.com/morin.html

Would you buy Morin's book for me, ds? Plz!? :crying:
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SunConjunctUranus

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Re: Todays Moon - Its Tropical & Its Sidereal Location & Effect On Sign Ruler Influen

david starling said:
Tropical, unless it can be shown otherwise.

Please cite sources if attempting to prove he used sidereal Sign locations.
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QUOTE
"...
Book 15. Holden writes:

In this Book, Morin explains the various classifications & subdivisions of the signs & gives his opinion as to why some of them should be changed or rejected altogether. He gives what seems to him to be logical reasons for these features of the zodiac. And as usual he quotes Holy Scripture from time to time. We should be aware that he was also primarily motivated by two things in astrology: (1) a dislike of anything that did not have a definite relationship to astronomy; and (2) a distrust of anything that seemed to him to have been originated by Arabian astrologers.
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http://www.astroamerica.com/morin.html

petosiris said:
Argument 3: The Shift to the Tropical Zodiac Was Sudden and Not Well-Considered
• ''Palchus'' and Masha’alah still used a sidereal zodiac.
• Ptolemy is the originator of the tropical zodiac who is definitely not nearly as cool as the ancient Babylonians and Egyptians.

Why Did Ptolemy decide to implement the Tropical Zodiac In Astrology?
• Almagest (Geocentric and Northern Hemisphere Temperate Climate) naturalistic thinking which today is proven beyond any doubt to be total BS conceptualization of how the universe works.
• The two zodiacs roughly coincided at his time which made it easier to mislead, like a Trojan Horse.
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SunConjunctUranus

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He even had few tables of FIXED STARS. :smile:

QUOTE

"...

Appendices:
1. Table of the bright fixed stars for 1 January 1600
2. Table of the bright fixed stars for 1 January 2000

..."


http://www.astroamerica.com/morin.html

SunConjunctUranus said:
QUOTE
"...
Book 15. Holden writes:

In this Book, Morin explains the various classifications & subdivisions of the signs & gives his opinion as to why some of them should be changed or rejected altogether. He gives what seems to him to be logical reasons for these features of the zodiac. And as usual he quotes Holy Scripture from time to time. We should be aware that he was also primarily motivated by two things in astrology: (1) a dislike of anything that did not have a definite relationship to astronomy; and (2) a distrust of anything that seemed to him to have been originated by Arabian astrologers.
..."

http://www.astroamerica.com/morin.html
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david starling

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Re: Todays Moon - Its Tropical & Its Sidereal Location & Effect On Sign Ruler Influen

SunConjunctUranus said:
Absolutely sidereal zodiac! :biggrin:

QUOTE
"...

Book 13: The Proper Natures & Strengths of the Individual Planets & the Fixed Stars

Translator's preface

Section 1: The elemental, etheric & celestial nature of the planets:
Preface
1. That Ptolemy, Cardin & the other old astrologers made many errors in handing down the elemental nature of the planets

..."

http://www.astroamerica.com/morin.html

Would you buy Morin's book for me, ds? Plz!? :crying:
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Ask J.A. :biggrin:

Are you aware that the fixed stars are used as influences by tropical astrologers? Holden didn't say Morin was using sidereal Signs. Notice that there's nothing about Morin's opinion about the correct ayanamsa. THAT would have been proof of his use of a sidereal zodiac.
 
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SunConjunctUranus

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Re: Todays Moon - Its Tropical & Its Sidereal Location & Effect On Sign Ruler Influen

david starling said:
Ask J.A. :biggrin:

Are you aware that the fixed stars are used as influences by tropical astrologers? Holden didn't say Morin was using sidereal Signs. Notice that there's nothing about Morin's opinion about the correct ayanamsa. THAT would have been proof of his use of a sidereal zodiac.
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How about Holden thought on this

(1) a dislike of anything that did not have a definite relationship to astronomy;
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Intellect person like him knows that Aldebaran is in TAURUS. :smile:
 
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david starling said:
Here, I'll try another link:

https://sites.google.com/site/tradmorinus/morinus

Okay, notice the Sun's position in this Morinus horoscope is tropical, not sidereal.
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That's software promotion bruh! :biggrin:

I have Morinus software myself, there is sidereal options in for this software too.

And it's not citations from the translation of his book or preface from translators. :smile:
 
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david starling

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Re: Todays Moon - Its Tropical & Its Sidereal Location & Effect On Sign Ruler Influen

SunConjunctUranus said:
That's software promotion bruh! :biggrin:

I have Morinus software myself, there is sidereal options in for this software too.

And it's not citations from the translation of his book or preface from translators. :smile:
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They're ALL using tropical for Morinus. Nothing in his biography about an astronomically-located ayanamsa, which is crucial to an accurate sidereal zodiac. As for Aldebaran and Taurus, that's not about astronomy, it's about the history of astrology. Which is why it's not something astronomy can decide. On the other hand, astronomy CAN determine the location of the Vernal Point.
 
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david starling

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Look, I would have no problem with Morin being a sideralist. I just can't find any evidence he was. There must be at least ONE horoscope existing that he constructed himself. Find that, and we'll know for certain. But all the Traditionalists citing Morinus are using tropical with his methods.
 
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david starling

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Morinus used his astrology to determine his own time of death, accepted his fate, and died of illness on the day he predicted!
 
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SunConjunctUranus

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Your last few posts are NOT citation from any traditional astrologer to support your claim pertaining to his tropical usage. :smile:

On the contrary, I already cited Holden. Obviously, astronomers agree with me that Aldebaran is in TAURUS [not in GEMINI] and as Holden said that Morin primarily motivated by a dislike of anything that did not have a definite relationship to astronomy in book 13 :smile:



JUPITERASC said:
then cite soruces proving your own claim :smile:
david starling said:
You first. Doubt you'll find any. :biggrin:
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david starling said:
Look, I would have no problem with Morin being a sideralist. I just can't find any evidence he was. There must be at least ONE horoscope existing that he constructed himself. Find that, and we'll know for certain. But all the Traditionalists citing Morinus are using tropical with his methods.
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david starling said:
They're ALL using tropical for Morinus. Nothing in his biography about an astronomically-located ayanamsa, which is crucial to an accurate sidereal zodiac. As for Aldebaran and Taurus, that's not about astronomy, it's about the history of astrology. Which is why it's not something astronomy can decide. On the other hand, astronomy CAN determine the location of the Vernal Point.
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david starling said:
Morinus used his astrology to determine his own time of death, accepted his fate, and died of illness on the day he predicted!
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