Thoughts about my tradtional chart
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sinhtheslumberingdragon
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It seems there is some level of eminence in my chart, sun in 11th house lord of 11th house in 2nd house, 2nd house lord in 10th house, 10th house lord in first house (right on asc).
However, my lumanires are in fem signs, and my sun is aspected by saturn. My moon is seemingly well aspected (aspect to Jupiter+mc) but also aspected by saturn.
I'm not sure if my mercury counts as doryphory for sun.
I'm not sure how those saturn aspects play out (if they block eminence or if they just delay it)
I'm also not sure how the sun/moon opposition works out for eminence as well.
JUPITERASC
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Advanced Considerations on Judging Eminence in a Birth Chart
© 2010 Curtis Manwaring
http://www.astrology-x-files.com/x-files/advancedeminence.html
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sinhtheslumberingdragon
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Advanced Considerations on Judging Eminence in a Birth Chart
© 2010 Curtis Manwaring
http://www.astrology-x-files.com/x-files/advancedeminence.html
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My trigon lords are pretty poorly placed.... 12th 8th and 5th... (venus mars moon)
that kind of ruins my eminence
JUPITERASC
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House location is dependent on reliable time of birthMy trigon lords are pretty poorly placed....
12th 8th and 5th... (venus mars moon)
that kind of ruins my eminence
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sinhtheslumberingdragon
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My time is birth is quite reliable, unless I was born 2+ hours before or after... which I find to be unlikelyHouse location is dependent on reliable time of birth
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JUPITERASC
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2 hours of time = thirty degrees of a sign
ascendant of the chart posted
is MERELY TWO DEGREES from the following sign
one degree = FOUR MINUTES OF CLOCK TIME
and so
IF time of birth were EIGHT MINUTES AFTER that stated
then ascendant would have been following sign
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sinhtheslumberingdragon
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2 hours of time = thirty degrees of a sign
ascendant of the chart posted
is MERELY TWO DEGREES from the following sign
one degree = FOUR MINUTES OF CLOCK TIME
and so
IF time of birth were EIGHT MINUTES AFTER that stated
then ascendant would have been following sign
.
Wow, if you move the asc sign my chart becomes 100000x better
pretty funny joke if you ask me lol
JUPITERASC
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NEVERTHELESS
I have illustrated
easily
how important it is
to have a reliable time of birth
because
clearly
when time of birth is not reliable
natal chart is not reliable
sinhtheslumberingdragon
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NEVERTHELESS
I have illustrated
easily
how important it is
to have a reliable time of birth
because
clearly
when time of birth is not reliable
natal chart is not reliable
Sadly, I think my birth time is quite accurate, unless you have another rectification method you want to try.
sinhtheslumberingdragon
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NEVERTHELESS
I have illustrated
easily
how important it is
to have a reliable time of birth
because
clearly
when time of birth is not reliable
natal chart is not reliable
Actually, is my moon rising or decreasing in light?
http://www.rosicrucian.com/zineen/pamen034.htm
This has more rules than the article posted with the merchant chart
JUPITERASC
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sinhtheslumberingdragon
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Decreasing in light.... so I did my rectifcation all wrong... I need to try again
sinhtheslumberingdragon
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So I remade my epoch chart with the proper rules....
des is at 2 degrees sag.... recitfying my chart forward to 2 degrees gemini rising...
JUPITERASC
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Decreasing in light.... so I did my rectifcation all wrong... I need to try again
well done for persevering, you are clearly genuinely interested
and so the following chart
is your Epoch chart
when following method at
http://www.rosicrucian.com/zineen/pamen034.htm
des is at 2 degrees sag....
recitfying my chart forward to 2 degrees gemini rising...
which indicates
that according to this particular rectification method
birth occurred approximately sixteen minutes later
than the original given time
which is entirely possible
sinhtheslumberingdragon
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well done for persevering, you are clearly genuinely interested
and so the following chart
is your Epoch chart
when following method at
http://www.rosicrucian.com/zineen/pamen034.htm
which indicates
that according to this particular rectification method
birth occurred approximately sixteen minutes later
than the original given time
which is entirely possible
Do you have any other method so I can check that this one is accurate?
JUPITERASC
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compare with
rectification using THRASYLLUS method
https://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showpost.php?p=894943&postcount=343
With many thanks to petosiris
for providing it originally on another thread
Another example, with the newly elected Mexican President - https://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Lopez_Obrador,_Andres_Manuel
According to the AA source, the birth occurred at 2:00, quite unlikely, like most rounded off births. Let's use Thrasyllus' method again.
1) We determine the ascensional degrees from the Sun to the Moon. We mark 81 as the solar gnomon.
2) We determine the ascensional degrees from the degree opposite the Sun - this is 23.
3) We multiply 23 by 12 and again by the hour of the nativity, with the fractions. Since the birth occurred at the beginning of the ninth hour - 23 x 12 x 8 - 360 x 6 = 48 which is less than the solar gnomon.
4) We add 7 minutes to the time of birth and with 23 x 12 x 8.12 - 360 x 6 = 81 and we get the ''real'' Ascendant.
Jupiter is Lord of the Year and in the place of Good Daimon with Fortune. The Lightbringer also profects to its exaltation. Note that he was not elected with the same profections 12 years ago. Since the Ruler of the Peak was in the place of the Bad Daimon in the 2005 solar revolution, in this Revolution she is with Jupiter to the degree making a phase.
Since the rising time of Libra is 32.5, doubled it makes the stellium operative. And since the rising time of Gemini is 33 and of Virgo is 31.25, it makes the Jupiter square Mars productive of rank, politics and authority (as are the rising times of Virgo and Capricorn for that partile trine). And since half of the rising time of Gemini is 16.5 and 4 times the years of Jupiter = 64.5, it makes it even more operative.
And since the year is multiple of 5, which is the special interval point of Venus (inferior trine), it makes the profection of Jupiter and Fortune even stronger than the last one, and according to Valens ''The configurations of the stars and their aspects with each other (especially the aspects with the Lot of Fortune) are effective in the chronocratorships which are in harmony. (The whole is seen and arises from the aspects of the Lot of Fortune and from its ruler'' - https://www.csus.edu/indiv/r/rileymt/Vettius Valens entire.pdf
sinhtheslumberingdragon
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compare with
rectification using THRASYLLUS method
https://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showpost.php?p=894943&postcount=343
With many thanks to petosiris
for providing it originally on another thread
While I would love to use that method, I require some clarification on how petosiris is counting.
https://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?p=900794#post900794
In the post above, he says that the degrees from the sun to the moon (sloar gnomon) is 81 degrees. However, when I try and count I get 77 degrees (2 signs (60 degrees) +17 degrees, sun in libra @ 27 degree to moon in cap at 14 degrees).
how does he get 81 degrees?
JUPITERASC
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sinhtheslumberingdragon
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pm petosiris for clarification
I was looking through some other methods of rectification and found this
http://www.skyscript.co.uk/gl/animodar.html
The method is based upon consideration of the degree of the previous syzygy (lunation). If the chart was preceded by a new Moon, it considers which planet has the most essential dignity at the degree of the New Moon; if it was a full Moon it considers which planet has the most essential dignity in the degree of the luminary above the earth.
Degree of luminary: 19 degree pisces
essential diginity: jupiter by face (? not sure, could you confirm)*
which moves my ascendant to 4 degrees Gemini (where my jupiter is)
most likely not as accurate as epoch, however more confirmation that my rising is likely gemini rather than taurus.
reference for face:
Jupiter also has essential dignity in the degrees of his “Face” or “Decan.” These are the spans of degrees for Jupiter’s Face (or “decan” or “decanic faces”):
- Gemini 1°–10°.
- Leo 11°–20°.
- Libra 21°–30°.
- Capricorn 1°–10°.
- Pisces 11°–20°.