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Re: Love with foreigners or in foreign land

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Well, I thought of a few...

Johnny Depp and Vanessa Paradis
John Lennon and Yoko Ono
Julie Delpy (French actress) married to a German guy I think
Tom Cruise was married to Nicole Kidman (Australian, but I think she was born in the USA)
Brilliant, thanks, they'll be a good start.

Don't know why I couldn't think of at least one of those.

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Re: Love with foreigners or in foreign land

Per Astro Databank, Johnny Depp has Jupiter in Aries in his 9th, Aries on the house cusp. Mars is conjunct Uranus (ruler of 7th) in his First, in Virgo.

Vanessa Paradis' chart gets a DD rating, but on that chart, Cancer is on her 9th house cusp, no planets within; Moon is in Cancer near the 9th cusp (with Koch or another system, it might be inside the 9th).

I have a client who LOVES to travel abroad, has been pretty much all over the globe in 20+ years. She has been involved with several foreigners, as well as several men who are from very different backgrounds than hers... which I would characterize as "foreign", in a way. Her Moon in Libra is in mid-9th house, and Cancer rules her 7th.
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Brilliant, thanks, they'll be a good start.

Don't know why I couldn't think of at least one of those.
You're welcome!

Just out of interest Moog, as I noticed that on another thread you read my 9th house planets (placidus) as being in the 10th house...do you use whole sign house system?
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Re: Love with foreigners or in foreign land

i wouldn't necessarily study celebrities' charts for this. after all, they tend to travel a lot because of their fame and hang out with other celebrities.
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Just out of interest Moog, as I noticed that on another thread you read my 9th house planets (placidus) as being in the 10th house...do you use whole sign house system?
Yes. Whole signs. The sidereal zodiac tends to shift things around as well. It makes all the difference when determining houses and rulers and whatnot. In the majority of cases, the ascendant slips back into an entirely different sign.
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i wouldn't necessarily study celebrities' charts for this. after all, they tend to travel a lot because of their fame and hang out with other celebrities.
well sure you can. it would indicate a broader interest in the world.
look at nativities of cross-cultural celeb partnerships and surely you'll find indicators of jupiter and 9th house in their charts. same with business and industry leaders and intellectuals.
while many internationals settle in same country with peers, marry peers, i would guess that the ones who marry/mate/settle into foreign lands is due to jup / 9th.
if someone is willin, chart johnny depp & french partner, living in france.
antonio banderas & melody griffith
princess grace kelly of monaco
queen norr and past jordanian husband.
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Re: Love with foreigners or in foreign land

also want to add that "intellectualsm" & "street smart" relations are common, as each has a broad outlook and world view, jupiter prominence.
i'm glad for this thread. thanks! because it is helping me understand my 9th house neptune rulership ~ dissolving differences.
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i wouldn't necessarily study celebrities' charts for this. after all, they tend to travel a lot because of their fame and hang out with other celebrities.
I imagine that would also be reflected in the chart somewhere?
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I imagine that would also be reflected in the chart somewhere?
yes, i'd imagine that, too. however, it becomes rather 'complicated'. i find it more interesting to study 'regular' people's charts to solve the riddle of loving foreigners
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yes, i'd imagine that, too. however, it becomes rather 'complicated'. i find it more interesting to study 'regular' people's charts to solve the riddle of loving foreigners
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I take it that these are birth data for people who married foreigners?

First marriages?
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Well I whacked this one in.

In this chart we have Jupiter Ruling the 9th, and Saturn ruling the 7th, both together in the 6th, Rahu aspecting

To read the South Indian chart, you count houses clockwise from 'AS'

The ascendant is Cancer, the 7th is Capricorn, and the 9th is Pisces.

The green squares are houses Rahu aspects.

So that one seems to match the hypothesis. Pretty cool.

I'll look at the other one in a bit.
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Re: Love with foreigners or in foreign land

This one has Virgo Ascending.

The 7th and 9th rulers (Jupiter and Venus) are together, but Rahu does not aspect them.

Still pretty interesting. Need more data
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Re: Love with foreigners or in foreign land

John Lennon.

9th ruler (Mars) is in the 7th (Virgo) with Rahu

I'll probably stop now, for fear of being prosecuted for spamming.

Hope this has been of interest.
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Re: Love with foreigners or in foreign land

My parents married foreigners. Both have Jupiter in the 7th, in my mum's case her 7th house is aquarius. My dad was a professional, another manifestation of jupiter but my mum wasn't. Both did well financially out of it.

I have sagittarius on the 4th, ruler of the 7th (neptune) in sagittarius, old ruler of 7th (jupiter) in the 9th and moon in the 9th. I've lived abroad before but presumably going by what other people have said here I've got that coming again in the future, and hopefully with a foreign partner.

I have more friends who are foreign than from my own country, but I always assumed that was because I have the ruler of the 11th house in the 9th.
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I know some aspects that could make you marry a foreigner or getting married far a way from your birth place:

Are there other aspects besides this ones?
-ruler of the 7th in the 9th
-Ruler of the 9th in the 7th
-Ruler of the 7th in Sagittarius.

I find this all quite interesting, as it appears that love and marriage with a foreigner is indicated in my chart (using Placidus house system).

I have:

- the ruler of my 7th (Mercury) in the 9th
- the ruler of my 7th (Mercury) in Sagittarius

Although, it would seem that just as many people who have loved/married foreigners do not have these indicators!? I guess, as always, the whole chart needs to be factored in

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Re: Love with foreigners or in foreign land

moog ~thank you for taking time with that.
the data was for a love affair, not a marriage.
in placidus system, my natal 9th venus pisces.
his natal jupiter conjunct his neptune and mars in sag. his venus sag. he is in u.s.
but of course, even among one's own countrymen/women, having these aspects or placements could indicate different relgious or cultural or class differences of the two, which could count for love with "foreigners"

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moog ~thank you for taking time with that.
the data was for a love affair, not a marriage.
in placidus system, my natal 9th venus pisces.
his natal jupiter conjunct his neptune and mars in sag. his venus sag. he is in u.s.
but of course, even among one's own countrymen/women, having these aspects or placements could indicate different relgious or cultural or class differences of the two, which could count for love with "foreigners"
My pleasure, I needed an astro research project for the day.

The thing about love affairs vs. marriage is that love affairs might be more properly a 5th house matter.

I like making things complicated

I agree that 'foreign' could symbolise something 'unusual' rather than simply referring to foreign nationals.
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The thing about love affairs vs. marriage is that love affairs might be more properly a 5th house matter.

I like making things complicated
Great! Sometimes you need to get complicated!

I was thinking the same thing about the 5th and love affairs vs. 7th and marriage...

So, for example, if you had ruler of 5th (Moon) conjunct ruler of 9th (Pluto)...would that be an indication, do you think?
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That's awesome my dad married a foreigner too!
I feel that I am going to marry a foreigner too by the looks of my chart, she may be artistic - 9th house ruled by Libra - Ruler of 9th house- Venus in 5th house - Ruler of 11th house in 12th must be a spiritual/12th friend turn gf. Ruler of 7th, Leo in 5th house conjunct Venus. So yeah pretty much sums it up for me.
What about me? I read somewhere that i will marry in foreign country. I am also to NewZealand and US girls mostly. My Venus is in gemini in 5th house, Jupiter in 4th in gemini, Libra in 9th house, Venus conjuct jupiter, Venus opposition uranus, Uranus in eleventh house, Seventh house leo, Eleveth in sag?
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Re: Love with foreigners or in foreign land

My last relationships have been with foreigners, or men who were different races, and that's who I've always been attracted to the most!

I have;

  • Venus in Sagittarius, in the 5th house
  • 5th house ruler Jupiter in its own 5th house, trining my Moon in 9th.
  • Moon in 9th house
  • 7th house (Aquarius), ruler Uranus in my 4th house ---- (foreigners in my home!)


My chart has "foreign relationships/love" written all over it!
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Re: Love with foreigners or in foreign land

moog -
i once had a brief love affair for a month with an italian while i was astaying in rome. that was 5th house for sure.
a love affair with obligations and reciprocity is 7th, a relationship.
but anyway, we're talking about loving a foreign person and/or living in foreign land and i looked at my natal 9th ruler posited in my 4th, corroborating natal 4th ruler, neptune ruling of 9th house.
I have lived entire life on west coast of u.s.
but both point to home in foreign territory at end years. .i reckon that could even be in some kind of spiritual or religious territory.
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Re: Love with foreigners or in foreign land

I have :
- Venus in Sagittarius in the 4th house ( Venus is the ruler of the 9th house)
- Neptune in Sagittarius in the 4th house ( Neptune is the ruler of the 7th house)
- Jupiter, the co-ruler of the 7th house and ruler of the 4th house squaring my Moon in the 8th house.

When I moved on a foreign land, my Pr Moon trined Jupiter ( repeated the natal contact) , Uranus arced IC and opposed MC ( exact aspect). Pluto in transit conjuncted Neptune in the 4th house, was in separate conjunction with IC cusp, squaring Asc. Saturn shifted houses, Progressed Mars changed sign some months before the relocation. Saturn squared Moon and Jupiter was on the Asc.

In my Solar Return all the return houses were on the same natal houses, but the Ascendant had the 2nd natal sign ( SR Asc on the 1st natal, 2nd on the 2nd natal, MC SR on MC natal, etc). . All SR angles were in cardinal signs - changes.
The return ruler of the SR Asc was angular ( conjunct the 7th natal house cusp). Saturn, ruler of the SR 4th was in the 9th SR house conjunct SR MC , SR Moon in the 9th SR house ( ruled the SR MC), Jupiter was angular ( conjunct natal Asc), Lilith was in the 9th SR house on the 9th natal house. Mercury, the natal Asc ruler was in the 4th SR house and ruled the 9th SR house and the 12th SR house. Pluto was the first natal planet to rise ( a major shift, a “first time” event) and the apex of a T-square with Venus and Jupiter.

My partner has natally:

- Ruler of the 5th in Sagittarius in the 2nd house squaring Jupiter in the 11th house
- Ruler of the 4th in the 1st house sextile Jupiter in the 11 th house and trine North Node in the 9th house
- Ruler of the 7th in 7th house - Venus in Taurus – final dispositor of the chart- squaring North Node in the 9th house
- North Node in the 9th house sextile Jupiter and Saturn, the co-ruler of the 4th house
- Moon , the 9th house ruler, trine Venus in the 7Th house, the 7th house ruler

We are engaged ( foreigners from different countries). My Progressed Sun on Desc, transiting Venus on the MC, transiting Mars exact conjunction with Solar return Asc. My SR Moon in the degree of the Nodes, Nodes on the IV-X axis ( conjunct IC- MC) the year of the engagement.
My partner has the Progressed Moon in the 4th, Moon in the degree of the Nodes for the engagement.

I can see that my Solar Return chart for our marriage ( next year) has the same angles as my partner’s natal chart ( 1 degree of difference), SR Vertex is in exact aspect on natal MC. My SR 7th house has his Sun sign. His solar return chart has my Sun sign on the 7th, and his SR MC is in the degrees of the Nodes. The Nodes are angular, too, in the both solar returns, NN –SN on 1-7 axis for both of us ( SR or natal axis).

I haven’t finished yet these analyses.
I like Solar Returns, but I have to find the natal aspects repeated in transits and progressions.

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Re: Love with foreigners or in foreign land

Hi Forgive me for entering.
Just like to also make a comment.
I have always seemed to have made contact
with and (for good or ill) been attracted to
places far away and I find men from other
cultures more appealing ~ Cultural Anthropology was one
of my University majors.

I have none of the above placements anywhere in
my natal chart.Gemini on the 9Th, Sag is in on the cusp of my 3rd house with Mercury there snuggled up against my IC.

However,Jupiter is in my 6th house in Aries which rules my 7th
house cusp of partnerships and other people= All of my friends
from the time I was able to be with others Independantly have been
from other countries.

whats interesting though and why I wanted to post this reply
is ~ My North Node is directly IN the 9Th House

Just wanted to share and be helpful
Thanks
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Hi Forgive me for entering.
Just like to also make a comment.
I have always seemed to have made contact
with and (for good or ill) been attracted to
places far away and I find men from other
cultures more appealing ~ Cultural Anthropology was one
of my University majors.

I have none of the above placements anywhere in
my natal chart.Gemini on the 9Th, Sag is in on the cusp of my 3rd house with Mercury there snuggled up against my IC.

However,Jupiter is in my 6th house in Aries which rules my 7th
house cusp of partnerships and other people= All of my friends
from the time I was able to be with others Independantly have been
from other countries.

whats interesting though and why I wanted to post this reply
is ~ My North Node is directly IN the 9Th House

Just wanted to share and be helpful
Thanks
Hi,

as you could see, my partner has North Node in the 9th house, too.
The NN here broaden the perspective, it is an auspicious placement for travels, long distance affairs or studying, publishing ( in function of the aspects).
I think NN in the 9th house is important.
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