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Re: Debate about exaltation of Pluto: Aries, Pisces or Leo?

Pluto concerns itself with power, Leo is naturally a power-hungry sign due to it being associated with the throne and royalty. I often feel like the things used to describe the negative traits of Scorpio such as vengefulness apply even more-so for Leos who have a sensitive pride. That with the fact that Leos are the kind of sign that will fight to the last breath for power and validation....

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Re: Debate about exaltation of Pluto: Aries, Pisces or Leo?

According to the Ptolemaic familiarity chart, Venus is term of 19-20' (my Moon placement in Aquarius) and Mars is 25-26' (my sun in the same sign). This is a combination of lunar-feminine and solar-masculine, with the sun and Mars dom instead. I should have a term Jupiter for both degrees were in the 20' range.
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Re: Debate about exaltation of Pluto: Aries, Pisces or Leo?

I read astrological information on the revised planetary ruler chart (called the New Millennial Astrology). The asteroid Eros could rule Aquarius and the rising sign/Ascendant node can rule Pisces. Personally, the traditional method works best in astrological composites, even though on my post in the thread's first page, I prefer Eris to co-rule Aquarius and Sedna may be too weak to co-rule Pisces. On this thread's title, the exaltation of Pluto makes perfect sense in Aries, because I don't see anything for Pluto to affect Leonians and Pisceans.
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Re: Debate about exaltation of Pluto: Aries, Pisces or Leo?

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I read astrological information on the revised planetary ruler chart (called the New Millennial Astrology). The asteroid Eros could rule Aquarius and the rising sign/Ascendant node can rule Pisces. Personally, the traditional method works best in astrological composites, even though on my post in the thread's first page, I prefer Eris to co-rule Aquarius and Sedna may be too weak to co-rule Pisces. On this thread's title, the exaltation of Pluto makes perfect sense in Aries, because I don't see anything for Pluto to affect Leonians and Pisceans.
Pluto cannot function in Aries. Aries is a forgive and forget, quick action, head-first type of sign. It isn't as slow moving and calculated as a Leo.
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Pluto cannot function in Aries. Aries is a forgive and forget, quick action, head-first type of sign. It isn't as slow moving and calculated as a Leo.
Pluto is too small compared to the other planets anyway, but it is an octave of Mars. The two planets go perfectly together as rulers of Scorpio, a sign of war, anger, negativity and death. I doubt Pluto will have anything to do with Leo.
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Re: Debate about exaltation of Pluto: Aries, Pisces or Leo?

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Pluto is too small compared to the other planets anyway, but it is an octave of Mars. The two planets go perfectly together as rulers of Scorpio, a sign of war, anger, negativity and death. I doubt Pluto will have anything to do with Leo.
I don't associate Scorpio with war, that is more of the realm of Aries and Capricorn. Scorpio is more about secrecy. As for Leo, well a fixed fire sign has its anger and the sun scorches as much as it gives life. For me, Leo and Scorpio ruling Pluto would be the yin yang of the planet.

Scorpio being the secret side of power while Leo is more of the charismatic outward side of it.
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Re: Debate about exaltation of Pluto: Aries, Pisces or Leo?

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Rulers are of stronger Chart-influence, and better express their innate natures in some Signs than in others. I refer to "Exalted" as a type of rulership , and have Pluto as Exaltation-ruler of Gemini, Domicile-ruler of Scorpio, and Beneficial-ruler of Aries. Different types of rulerships, rather than Domicled as the only meaning of Sign-rulership.
Pluto is not exalted in Gemini, that makes zero sense.
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Re: Debate about exaltation of Pluto: Aries, Pisces or Leo?

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According to the Ptolemaic familiarity chart, Venus is term of 19-20' (my Moon placement in Aquarius) and Mars is 25-26' (my sun in the same sign). This is a combination of lunar-feminine and solar-masculine, with the sun and Mars dom instead. I should have a term Jupiter for both degrees were in the 20' range.
I wanted to let you know that none of your posts make sense on this forum, English please.
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Re: Debate about exaltation of Pluto: Aries, Pisces or Leo?

I can see Pluto in Pisces helping someone with total ego-death, or enlightenment. I think it's better individually to have Pluto in Pisces, or the 12th house, than collectively! Personally, I always saw Pluto in Aquarius as more of an exaltation, because Aquarius loves change, and the transformation of Pluto goes with that. But, I can also see Pluto in Aquarius's pitfalls.

I'd like to believe that Pluto goes best with some sign between Sagittarius and Pisces. Just my two cents!
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I can see Pluto in Pisces helping someone with total ego-death, or enlightenment. I think it's better individually to have Pluto in Pisces, or the 12th house, than collectively! Personally, I always saw Pluto in Aquarius as more of an exaltation, because Aquarius loves change, and the transformation of Pluto goes with that. But, I can also see Pluto in Aquarius's pitfalls.

I'd like to believe that Pluto goes best with some sign between Sagittarius and Pisces. Just my two cents!
makes no sense to have it in the same element as Scorpio
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makes no sense to have it in the same element as Scorpio
Pluto belongs with a Yin sign (earth and water) more than a Yang sign, in my opinion!
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Re: Debate about exaltation of Pluto: Aries, Pisces or Leo?

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Pluto is too small compared to the other planets anyway, but it is an octave of Mars. The two planets go perfectly together as rulers of Scorpio, a sign of war, anger, negativity and death. I doubt Pluto will have anything to do with Leo.
I still disagree with this. Aries is more blunt mars and short-term thinking. I'd argue that Leos are far better at long-term warfare than both Aries and Scorpio.
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I still disagree with this. Aries is more blunt mars and short-term thinking. I'd argue that Leos are far better at long-term warfare than both Aries and Scorpio.
Some people believe that Pluto is exalted in Leo, what do you think?

For me, Leo is fixed and stable, but may lack the secretiveness that Pluto's energy needs, Leo is very open and Yang energy! What do you think?
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Re: Debate about exaltation of Pluto: Aries, Pisces or Leo?

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Some people believe that Pluto is exalted in Leo, what do you think?

For me, Leo is fixed and stable, but may lack the secretiveness that Pluto's energy needs, Leo is very open and Yang energy! What do you think?
Leo is associated with the crown, the king, and power. It should be exalted in Pluto because it is not domiciled in any other sign than the sun itself. Unlike Aries, I'd say Leo is very calculated and long-term thinking with some serious staying power.

The best football player of all time? A Leo in Tom Brady.

The youngest president in US History who defied all the odds? A Leo in Barack Obama.

Napoleon? A Leo.

I think Pluto should be right at home in Leo.

Even the boomers, though they messed up, were darn darn fortunate people.
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Re: Debate about exaltation of Pluto: Aries, Pisces or Leo?

If power is a good fit for Pluto, then why not Pluto in Capricorn?

Other good fits!

-Pluto in Aries
-Pluto in Cancer (Cancer is Yin energy)! America won WWI, and the roaring 20's happened during Pluto in Cancer!
-Pluto in Leo (power, monarchy)
-Pluto in Scorpio (already a home placement, but another good position)!
-Pluto in Aquarius- Aquarius is change, Pluto is also change! One thing why it may not be a good fit is that Pluto is slow, gradual, change, but Uranus is abrupt, fast, change! This may be a problem for Pluto and Aquarius!
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Re: Debate about exaltation of Pluto: Aries, Pisces or Leo?

I think Pluto is more of the opposite expression in Leo than in Scorpio. Scorpios in reality just want what others want but are more discreet about it. Leos go for what they want and are blunt about it. A Scorpio is your typical "nice guy" trope who is super kind to a girl when he really wants to get in her pants. A Leo is your typical bad boy biker type who she gets with, as the saying goes, "nice guys finish last".

Scorpio is the more discreet expression of power, the underworld that attempts to get it through covert means. Leo is the more blunt expression of power.
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I think Pluto is more of the opposite expression in Leo than in Scorpio. Scorpios in reality just want what others want but are more discreet about it. Leos go for what they want and are blunt about it. A Scorpio is your typical "nice guy" trope who is super kind to a girl when he really wants to get in her pants. A Leo is your typical bad boy biker type who she gets with, as the saying goes, "nice guys finish last".

Scorpio is the more discreet expression of power, the underworld that attempts to get it through covert means. Leo is the more blunt expression of power.
The19thLaw, yes! Scorpio is covert, LMAO!
Fire signs are blunt, I would know, I'm a Sagittarius!
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