y are the planets 30 degrees out

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ugvar

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when they say the moon is in taurse its in aries in the sky?

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ugvar
 
Moog

Moog

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It's actually (currently) closer to 24, give or take a few minutes here or there, depending on which ayanamsa you use.

There's tons of material out there, just google 'sidereal and tropical zodiac' or similar
 
Frank

Frank

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Here's something I wrote up a few years ago that briefly covers the subject:
Frank said:
Astrology 101 – A Zodiac Explanation

An area of confusion amongst inexperienced astrologers and those totally ignorant of how astrology is practiced is the difference amongst tropical signs, sidereal signs and constellations.

Heres an overview:

Tropical Zodiac Is 12-fold division of the Ecliptic (the apparent path of the Sun around the Earth) which starts with the Vernal Equinox as 0 degrees Aries with each sign having 30 degrees - used in Western Tropical astrology.

Sidereal Zodiac Is 12-fold division of the Ecliptic based on an ayanamsa value as the projected from the Vernal Equinox for the 0 Aries point to supposedly correct for precession, each sign having 30 degrees. These are mostly used in Vedic astrology, also known as Jyotish. There are several ayanamsas currently in use by different schools of Vedic astrological thought, such as Lahiri ( the official Indian government ayanamsa), the Fagan-Bradley, the Rahman, and the Khrisnamurti. All of these are around 24 degrees forward of the Vernal Equinox. Thus, someone who has the Sun placed at 1 degree Aries in the Tropical Zodiac, the Vedic position would be 6 degrees Pisces.

Constellations The zodiacal constellations do not really have specific, completely agreed upon boundaries. They are not each 30 degrees in length. Most astrologers (except for some Western Siderealists) do not use the constellations to measure planetary movement. Due to precession, the constellations do not correspond with the Tropical Zodiac, nor do the constellations fit into Sidereal Signs due to the inexact and varied size of the constellations. Astrology debunkers frequently set up a Straw Man argument about this because they dont know how astrology is really practiced.

One must realize that no one of these ways of measuring planetary positions against the background of the Ecliptic is correct or incorrect - they are just different ways of measuring the same thing. They all describe the 360 degrees of the Ecliptic. One may use different tools or markers an objects length, the length itself remains the same. Just as 4 inches equals 10.16 centimeters equals 1 hand, its all the same length - just a different measuring system.
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JUPITERASC

JUPITERASC

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ugvar said:
when they say the moon is in Taurus its in aries in the sky?
peace
ugvar
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fwiw IMO ugvar, that's because not all astrologers use the same methods. Some astrologers calculate charts on a Tropical/“sign” based method which - using the example you have chosen - would say Moon is symbolically in Taurus and not Aries.

Meanwhile other astrologers calculate charts on the sidereal or “star related” zodiac which - using the example you have chosen - would say the Moon is in Aries in the sky and not Taurus. :smile:

An online dictionary definition of the word 'Sidereal' = “Of or with respect to the stars (i.e., the fixed stars, not the sun or planets)”

There has been discussion on this topic in the past e.g. Rebel Uranian's thread: “Sidereal Astrology Is More Accurate” http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=45142

The following is a helpful 88 word quote from http://www.westernsiderealastrology.com/cyrilfagan/cyrilfagan.asp

“Western sidereal astrology is the rediscovery of ancient Babylonian astrology, the original form of astrology. Sidereal, from the Latin, sidus, (star) is the type of astrology that reckons celestial longitude from the positions of the stars, rather than the vernal equinox.

Western sidereal astrology is both new in the West and the revival of an ancient art. Babylonian astrology was introduced to the West in 1944 by Cyril Fagan, an Irish astrological scholar, after he had examined the ancient astronomical materials excavated from the Near and Middle East”
 
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