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Unread 07-30-2011, 04:23 PM
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equivalent of Scorpio to Chinese Zodiac

OK. so both the western and the chinese zodiac have 12 signs for both of them and I intuitively understand that they are equivalent of each other and last time I checked, they are indeed equivalent of each other.

http://jongkeun.wordpress.com/2007/0...n-equivalents/

but what i'm getting at is the chinese zodiac description for Pig. It seems...very odd that the Pig is equivalent to Scorpio. But if you go to this link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pig_(zodiac)

it says there:

“In Japanese culture, the animal is specifically a wild boar. In Japanese, the character <the japanese character for pig visible in that wikipedia article> is pig and the character <the japanese character for wild boar visible in that wikipedia article> denotes the wild boar, though Chinese does not make such a differentiation.”

I have a feeling that the chinese zodiac is actually pertaining to a wild deadly boar, not a tame Pig.

so do you guys have any thoughts about this? and did you happen to get into wild boar descriptions instead of a pig in any chinese zodiac sites that you can perhaps link me to? I believe that as time passed by, the modern chinese astrologers have mistakenly believed that the Wild Boar is actually just a Pig, and so when comparing the equivalents of western to chinese, it becomes odd that Scorpio is to Pig (and having read the modern descriptions of the chinese zodiac, it seems rather tame compared to scorpio.)

This should be interesting.

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Unread 07-31-2011, 05:07 AM
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Re: equivalent of Scorpio to Chinese Zodiac

Yes, from my studies (moderate level) into the various forms and branches of Chinese astrology, I believe that the Wild Boar was the original "form" intended, and that later it morphed simply into "Boar" and later, to the (domesticated) "Pig".
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Re: equivalent of Scorpio to Chinese Zodiac

what are the original descriptions for the Wild Boar? Many chinese zodiac sites would describe the Pig as someone who is naive, gullible, blah blah ... something very different from a Wild Boar and probably to its western zodiac counterpart, Scorpio.

and can u cite me to any chinese zodiac websites that still retain the form of the Wild Boar along with its original descriptions? it should be interesting to see.
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Re: equivalent of Scorpio to Chinese Zodiac

In chinese astrology there are the 4 pillars:the sign of the year/the month/the day and the hour.
Yes,most people say that the pig is the equivalent to the Scorpio but actually 15.degrees Scorpio to 15.degrees Sagittarius is the Pig month.
So theoretically the Pig is the exactly mixture of Scorpio and Sagittarius.

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If you count the months, Scorpio would most likely be associated to the Boar, since Scorpio spends most of its time in November, and the Boar rules November.

But if you count the equinoxes and the solstice of both Winter and Summer, you will see that the Boar most likely would be associated to Sagittarius. Since the equinoxes fall under the Rabbit and Rooster, meaning Aries and Libra, you would count up, like so:

Rooster = Libra
Dog = Scorpio
Boar = Sagittarius

And then go on from there. So like someone said here, the descriptions may be a bit of both. The Boar being a mix of Scorpio and Sagittarius.
A good example would be that the Boar ,in characterism, is Aggressive, Impulsive and sometimes Rashful. Terms that fit Scorpio. But the Boar is also Generous, Faithful and Optimistic; terms that fit Sagittarius.

So in general, it may be a mix of both, who knows?
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Re: equivalent of Scorpio to Chinese Zodiac

@SniperBomber328
Each chinese zodiac sign is the exactly mixture of to western zodiac signs.
Because it's always 15 till 15 degrees.
So like I said the Pig is 15.degrees Scorpio till 15.degrees Sagittarius.
That's it.It's totally easy.

So the Spring Equinox is rabbit because the month of the rabbit lasts from 15.degrees Pisces till 15.degrees Aries- so the 0 degree lies in the zodiac sign of the rabbit.

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Re: equivalent of Scorpio to Chinese Zodiac

so can u guys cite me to a chinese astrology website that has the corresponding months for each of its chinese zodiac sign?
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If you count the months, Scorpio would most likely be associated to the Boar, since Scorpio spends most of its time in November, and the Boar rules November.

But if you count the equinoxes and the solstice of both Winter and Summer, you will see that the Boar most likely would be associated to Sagittarius. Since the equinoxes fall under the Rabbit and Rooster, meaning Aries and Libra, you would count up, like so:

Rooster = Libra
Dog = Scorpio
Boar = Sagittarius
hmmm....

Rabbit is to Aries? Hmmm...in the most popular version, Dragon is to Aries which seems more likely. Hmm...weird.

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Re: equivalent of Scorpio to Chinese Zodiac

After having read all the chinese zodiac descriptions a while ago, I always thought either Dragon or Snake sounded like Scorpio.

I always see Rooster linked to Virgo, which seems odd to me, it sounds more like Leo imo.
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Unread 08-05-2011, 06:33 PM
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After having read all the chinese zodiac descriptions a while ago, I always thought either Dragon or Snake sounded like Scorpio.

I always see Rooster linked to Virgo, which seems odd to me, it sounds more like Leo imo.
You know, I got this book and I don't know where I could have placed it. It's missing. But I think it's Tung Jen's Chinese Astrology. In that book, she has this page that completely has the western zodiac dates correlated to the chinese zodiac signs. she claims that the chinese zodiac signs' lunar month dates are equivalent to the western zodiac dates, so it becomes:

Rat=Sagittarius
Ox=Capricorn
Tiger=Aquarius
Rabbit=Pisces
Dragon=Aries
Snake=Taurus
Horse=Gemini
Goat=Cancer
Monkey=Leo
Rooster=Virgo
Dog=Libra
Pig("Wild Boar" really)=Scorpio

now what's interesting is her take on the descriptions because they aren't like the ones you'd see...for example, her descriptions for Snake is totally Taurus: reserved, sensual, but very much focused on material possessions in a vice-like grip or something like that...she seems to be saying that Snakes are unpredictable and this echoes Taurus' sudden outbursts of temper...

now she describes the Rooster as very much concerned with health and cleanliness and order and that it voices it out so much - it kinda strikes as Virgoan to me. Then, we have the Pig, she said the chinese astrologers were referring to the wild ones- she said, "they're either the easiest or the hardest" and she seemed to be saying that they are kindest but probably the most dangerous with descriptions such as "with a reputation for being mysterious"...this points to Scorpio.

all the other animals, you can see the similarities to their supposed western equivalents obviously. personally to me if we go by her version, it's the pig and snake that will have problems but i guess it depends on what really are their true descriptions are.

but now as I surf the net, it seems that the chinese zodiac's lunar month dates aren't clear-cut correlated to the western zodiac dates, so i guess there's something wrong with her assumption. and as someone here has pointed out, it seems impossible to see the correlation between the two systems anyway since one chinese sign is equivalent of two western zodiac signs. hmm.
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Re: equivalent of Scorpio to Chinese Zodiac

oh and it would be interesting to see to have a chinese zodiac link that has the true descriptions for the signs - not twisted or anything else.
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HailStorm, are you talking about Theadora Lau? To anyone who wants to know about the Chinese Zodiac, I have books on them. I know no website with accurate information.

Anyway's, HailStorm, a great example of what you just said would fit what me and TheM are trying to say.

E.g. The Rooster does focus on Health, Perfection and Detail like Virgo does. But also don't forget that the Rooster also focuses on their looks, speech and manners as well, which are Libra traits, not Virgo. Virgo's in fact, Iv'e supposively read, don't care about their looks so much.
Which is what I am saying. They probably adopt traits from both their Month and Solar Signs, a mix sort of speaking. Rooster would be a mix of Virgo and Libra.

Boar's are mysterious, but also generous and optimistic (Saggittarius). Snakes are Possessive like, but also can chat with anyone and be pleasant in speech like a Gemini.
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oh and it would be interesting to see to have a chinese zodiac link that has the true descriptions for the signs - not twisted or anything else.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_zodiac

On wikipedia the traits are quite accurate.I read a lot of descriptions of the chinese zodiac and they are quite complete and good.
You can trust them cause they are quite common.

In the section Months and solar terms you can read the roughly dates of the signs.
Like Tiger ca. February 4th till March 5th.And so on.
As I said the chinese zodiac signs are always a mixture of 2 western signs.
Example:
Tiger- 15 degrees Aquarius till 15 degrees Pisces


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Heh. I think you're right. Can you cite me to any credible website of the chinese zodiac that has months so I can see? I'm not sure if I should trust Wikipedia as some of the chinese zodiac animals have their lunar month dates and some don't.

with what you're saying though, i guess it seems pointless to correlate the 12 western zodiac signs to the 12 chinese zodiac signs.
I think someone deleted the lunar month dates.
But you can also read the same dates and traits on other sites.They are quite usual and accurate.
Just google "chinese astrology" or "chinese zodiac" and you get very similar descriptions.

It's not pointless to correlate them.They are just made of 2 signs.
This is also the reason why Aries ,for example, is not exactly like Dragon and so on.
The chinese astrology has just a different basis.

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