Anti-Capitalism Thread
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david starling
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Dennis Rodman should get a peace prize if this N.Korea thing actually works out.
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Dirius
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Ever since WW2, half of the wars have been among citizens of the same country. Because in said wars, a few individuals seem to think they have a right to rule. This is what happened in every communist country. Take the cuban revolution for example: what gave castro a right to decide how the country should run?
The problem among humans is when a person believes he has a right to decide on another person's life. While capitalism and democracy are not perfect, at least it provides some breathing room for choice. The only way you can stop wars is by implementing a system of mutual cooperation among countries, that benefits everyone: capitalism. Milton Friedman's golden arches theory has been proven as a rather prevalent deterrant for war, with a few exceptions.
The problem among humans is when a person believes he has a right to decide on another person's life. While capitalism and democracy are not perfect, at least it provides some breathing room for choice. The only way you can stop wars is by implementing a system of mutual cooperation among countries, that benefits everyone: capitalism. Milton Friedman's golden arches theory has been proven as a rather prevalent deterrant for war, with a few exceptions.
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david starling
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Define "unduly" if you can. I recall Warren Buffett saying the extremely wealthy aren't being taxed enough. The middle-class worker is too heavily taxed [IMO]. I think the question is, how much does the tax affect your lifestyle?
Btw, isn't tyranny of the minority WORSE than tyranny of the majority? And, are you blaming high taxes for the high number of people incarcerated in the U.S.? It's been dubbed the "Prison Industry"!
david starling
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The OFFICIAL Trump cap is made by legal immigrants from Mexico and El Salvador in CALIFORNIA of all places. Not sure if Trump even considers California part of the U.S.A., or immigrants from South of the Border legitimate residents, legal or not!
There are a lot of Trump's caps made in China which aren't "endorsed" by his campaign organization. Much of his signature clothing line and high-end luggage IS made in China however. And Trump Tower was built by illegal workers from Poland (who sued him for underpayment).
There are a lot of Trump's caps made in China which aren't "endorsed" by his campaign organization. Much of his signature clothing line and high-end luggage IS made in China however. And Trump Tower was built by illegal workers from Poland (who sued him for underpayment).
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Oddity
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Tyranny of the majority leads to things like 'separate and unequal' or 'the Jews are responsible for all our problems, let's get rid of them'. So yeah, I think tyranny of the majority is worse.
Are most prisoners in the US incarcerated for tax evasion? That sounds pretty off-the-wall to me.
AppLeo
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I already asked, but no one answered my question. The truth is, they have no idea what to replace capitalism with.
bsab
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I am a cap and have a stellium in the 2nd house....including Mars and Jupiter conjunct there in the 2nd...My moon is fused w pluto....money matters a LOT to me.....also money just comes to me.....compared to people my own age and education and status, I am just very lucky money wise....But I also have never made decisions that would threaten my money situation and my movements and thoughts and decisions always had possessions of value ( I don't follow fads and brands, don't own diamond rings, DESPISE brand name bags and carp like that...I am into REAL valuable stuff....not modern status based ****....high quality stuff that is worth the value they charge and few in the world can afford)...having said that, I absolutely hated capitalism of USA so much that I emigrated to socialist Australia. To me, these nations aren't ' commie or socialist". They are just perfect. And I have been experiencing what I had heard and read and so far, it is exceeding my expectations by a far margin.
CapricornSun/Libra moon/Leo AC and stellium in 2nd in virgo including NN on regulus in 2nd house, I have found capitalism to be a SHAM....it's a FRAUD...a slavery....in USA, people are literally slave...even 99% of the 1%. At least in other nations that have low population and great social welfare like Australia, the slaves have a decent life. Maybe I am more of a bigger picture person....ultimately, I am paying the same tax rate I did pay in state of CA and I am getting MUCH MORE back for my money....maybe capitalism as people think it is, especially the American version isn't even capitalism....it's a mirage...it's a fraud. So if I am destined to get rich and find money and truly valuable things under the rock, perhaps I have.
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bsab
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a system like what they have in Australia/NZ or even Canada ( know propaganda channels don't let Americans learn much truth about Canada but anyhow, Australia/NZ are still far better examples than even Canada)...I am SHOCKED by how much better they do it here and how much superior life is for every one...I mean everyone...even animals and insects. It makes me cry at times as a former American
david starling
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I'll repost this here, because it's on-thread:
Capitalism killed millions of indigenous people in North America, took their land by force, and still claims to be the only economic system that respects property rights!
Capitalism killed millions of indigenous people in North America, took their land by force, and still claims to be the only economic system that respects property rights!
Oddity
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Canada's not all that great. Stuff like this happens: https://globalnews.ca/news/3868080/...anded-for-playing-gender-pronoun-debate-clip/
We may be ahead of even Australia in some of the nanny-state sweeps, with the whole 'it's a hate crime to potentially offend any gender' business. The government officially changed mother and father to parent 1 and parent 2, but had to rescind that after a week because most Canadians are sane persons.
Our economy *****. In my city, 400 square foot apartments go for a million dollars. Two million will get you a starter home. With salaries about a quarter of what you'd get in the US in comparable industries. And lots of regressive taxes like minimum unit pricing on alcohol. Australia's even worse on stuff like that, though. I remember getting into it with one of your public health folks over some really ludicrous suggestions about a year ago.
We have a bit of a social safety net - low welfare rates and a middling medicare system with lots of gaps, like no dental, no eye care (including many eye surgeries), no prescription or medical appliance coverage unless you're on welfare.
If you're absolutely down and out, you might do a bit better here than in the US, but it's far from great. I feel especially bad for young people, though most of our best are fleeing south of the border.
PS: Australia isn't a socialist country. It's got some social welfare programmes, but that doesn't make it socialist. Neither is Canada.
We may be ahead of even Australia in some of the nanny-state sweeps, with the whole 'it's a hate crime to potentially offend any gender' business. The government officially changed mother and father to parent 1 and parent 2, but had to rescind that after a week because most Canadians are sane persons.
Our economy *****. In my city, 400 square foot apartments go for a million dollars. Two million will get you a starter home. With salaries about a quarter of what you'd get in the US in comparable industries. And lots of regressive taxes like minimum unit pricing on alcohol. Australia's even worse on stuff like that, though. I remember getting into it with one of your public health folks over some really ludicrous suggestions about a year ago.
We have a bit of a social safety net - low welfare rates and a middling medicare system with lots of gaps, like no dental, no eye care (including many eye surgeries), no prescription or medical appliance coverage unless you're on welfare.
If you're absolutely down and out, you might do a bit better here than in the US, but it's far from great. I feel especially bad for young people, though most of our best are fleeing south of the border.
PS: Australia isn't a socialist country. It's got some social welfare programmes, but that doesn't make it socialist. Neither is Canada.
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david starling
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There is confusion when it comes to Safety-net Capitalism. The word "Social" is the cause. Some mistake it for the economic system known as "Socialism", which is entirely different.
Dirius
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Oh dear. Lets review the numbers:
Australia has a population of 24 million people. The U.S. has a population of 325 million people which is almost 14 times the population of Australia; the state of California has 39 million people in comparison.
A low population country, with plenty of resources: bauxite, coal, iron ore, copper, tin, uranium, nickel, tungsten, mineral sands, lead, zinc, diamonds, natural gas, and petroleum.
Certainly the economic opportunities for Australia are huge, and while keeping a small number of individuals it is much easier to accomodate all the necessities. What you are doing is comparing apples and oranges on 2 countries that have widely different economies, and populations. It is pretty well estalished in economic theory that countries with lower population but vast number of resources tend to do well if they can exploit those resources. A better comparison to Australia would be Norway. A better comparison to the USA would be Brazil.
Your comparison is thus pretty bad. And it has nothing to do with capitalism.
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bsab
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Of course I realise these are very different nations. Been around the block more than most. I have three passports and Australia is my fourth continent of residence. However, I completely disagree that USA could not have a rational logical socialist ( whatever that means to Americans these days when they want to mock other western democracies) system across all or some economic sectors. There’s no excuse that USA does not have some sort of reasonable universal healthcare, better labour laws, better education system, better justice system, better banking system, better political system, better pension laws etc. Zero excuse. I also know why USA is the way it is. Its taken over by oil/war lords and the faceless thugs who own USAs own politicians including Trump or Obama. It’s a land of slavery by federal reserve and its illuminati owners. Doesn’t mean Australia doesn’t having this ruling class. It does. They are busy looting in America too, as are the elites of EU and Canada. More to be made there. So they don’t sh$t in their own back yards and I’m glad for that.
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