Understood. Actually they are way apart - in opposite signs actually.
POS - 5° Virgo
POF - 13° Pisces.
What's the added significance of this points conjoining the angles. The POS conjoins my MC, POF conjoins IC. Personally I think that would mean added focus towards the issues of the 4H, since the path to MC will come naturally to me since it conjoins the POS.
What do you think? Should one treat these points separately or can they be interpreted in aspects, in this case a conjunction.
PS : I believe the 4H pertains to the personal unconscious, where one's soul comes from, one's root - the beginning.
The 10H i interpret simply as where one's path is moving to in life - the ending.
I am toying with the idea that the chart might be pointing me to think about traveling backwards - in reverse.
I perceive you are quite knowledgeable on this subject, had like to hear your thoughts on this.
It has been to my life long experience and observation that astrological Parts are only affect and only of effect when they are conjunct with a transiting astronomical object or one of the four points of the chart axis. Within a one degree orb, that is. It doesn't necessarily have to be in the exact same degree...I don't think... but anything beyond that is definitely out...in my humble, but much experienced, opinion.
My PoF is in the exact same sign and degree as my natal M.C. As the M.C. is the HOW of ones natal chart in as much as it is in regard to ones ever continuous 'progressive, evolutionary, Spiritual transformation [through all incarnations] when the PoF is conjunct the M.C. the "HOW" of the transformation indicated and illustrated by the Sabian Symbolism for the Asc. to the Desc. [The "WHO" to the "WHERE-TO", or as I sometimes prefer to say, "WHOM-TO"] then by implementing the precept appropriately [in action, or by mental or cultural application, as those are the three types of precepts involved in the process of transformation according to Dane Rudhyar] you are directly working towards the desired process of transformation and providing yourself with the most fortuitous circumstances that will be provided by that precept as it is also the Part of Fortune...as that is what the Part of Fortune truly is. It is the means by which to provide yourself with the most "fortunate" resultant circumstances by which to complete your dharma, achieve your destiny, ti successfully make the step in the process of spiritual transformation to archetypal perfection that is the goal, the objective, given us by our Creator.
When the PoF is conj. the I.C., it becomes a part of the answer as to "WHY" you were given the precept symbolized by the Sign and degrees' of your Desc.'s Sabian Symbol. But the I.C. is also the "HOW" of the chart axis interpreted as to the mundane affairs of your life and to implement it for that purpose is nearly as auspicious, imho.
The affairs of, the purpose of, the Part of Spirit I have found to be much less clearly demonstrated as of yet... although I am rather convinced it is something that one should come to see how the precept symbolized by its Sabian symbol is relevant to your soul in this present incarnation.
As to whether being knowledgeable as such will provide anymore of an advantage as to mundane affairs I doubt somewhat and as to what advantage it might help you along in the process of Spiritual transformation I can only surmise that it certainly wouldn't hurt and from what I've been able to tell from my own Part of Spirit and that I derived from that chart I believe to be truly that of Yeshu'a/Jesus of Nazareth, I have to say it does most definitely make the going easier as it instills confidence, resolution of cause, surety of commitment, and is a sort of certification of your spiritual worth, provided by the knowledge that is given.
My Part of Soul/Spirit is in the 10th degree of Aquarius [ibid.]
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A MAN WHO HAD FOR A TIME BECOME THE EMBODIMENT OF A POPULAR IDEAL IS MADE TO REALIZE THAT AS A PERSON HE IS NOT THIS IDEAL.
KEYNOTE: The need to deal with human beings as persons rather than as screens upon which one projects one's dream and ideal.
Here we have a final statement on the relationship between mental-spiritual vision and living reality, between persons and the ideal they appear to incarnate, between the 'great lover Image' and one's need for love — a love his presence stimulated and aroused. The 'star' on the movie screen is not the actual person. The star's popularity fades away, the person remains. What has this episode of popularity actually done to the person? This is a question that can be applied to a great variety of circumstances.
This fifth symbol in the sixty-second sequence brings to our attention an issue that is basic and may confront us in various forms. Person versus archetype. This can mean a critical need for SELF-REVALUATION."
I learned of the Part of Soul derived from my natal chart and what the Sabian Symbol for the degree it is found in the first week I was introduced to true astrological techniques and knowledge back in August of 1984. I could never figure out just what it meant as it applied to me ...not until after I was given a number of signs and confirmation by two very talented and most reputable clairvoyants ... that I am the one Rudolf Steiner predicted that would be reincarnated just before the dawn of the 21st century, that Trevor Ravenscroft wrote of in his book, "The Cup of Destiny".
As all my adult life I have been known as "Painter Dave" to so many, as painting was my trade and I was doggone good at it...my father having been a Master painter and an accomplished artist. I had no reason to suspect that I would ever be anything else...at least not notably so.
Little did I know....!
So, did that help me in any way?
Yes, I have to say it has ...as it is all the more confirmation as to what those signs indicated, what the clairvoyants told me and I have accomplished what was predicted...at least as far as I know I have...maybe I've more yet to contribute... but it certainly helps instill confidence, resolve, and belief in my self and this "path" I've recognized to have been laid out before me.
It may not always be a clear cut path or one that even shows the next step clearly, at times, but I know from where that path arose and to what cause it has been dedicated to... and that is enough to keep me in steadfast belief... That and I do have a Scorpio Asc. and a Taurus Sun by Tropical Zodiac interpretation... and while I believe in only in Sidereal recognition and interpretation there are those astrologers among us that will at least admit to my being most stubborn and persistent, if to nothing else I claim to be or have achieved,. and so you can take you pick as to which is the responsible agent behind my actions.
So, to sum up. One can readily implement what the Divine precept found in the Sabian Symbol for their Part of Fortune is, and be assured that if it is found to be conjunct one of the four axis points it is most auspicious and all more to your greater benefit to do so... but the Part of Soul might not be so readily understood and likely won't be until some point in your life time. I was in my fifty secondth year before I had a clue.
Just also keep in mind that most birth times recorded by hospitals have been rounded up to the nearest minute. A difference of a few seconds either way can change a significant number of Astrological Parts from one degree and association with a particular precept symbolized by the Sabian Symbol found for that degree to another entirely different one. So what you presently believe to be conjoined [which I take it to mean you are saying they are adjacent, either succedent or precedent?] may in fact actually be conjunct.
I have found that chart rectification is most aptly achieved by the use of the Sabian Symbols as to what might be the more appropriate in regard to those Astrological Parts one has that are closest to the cusp of the next or previous degree.
For example. The Part of Fortune derived from that aforementioned chart I attest to be the true natal chart of Yeshua/Jesus of Nazareth is in the 19th degree of Pisces. [ibid.] "A MASTER INSTRUCTS HIS DISCIPLE" ...it was found to be well within that degree but had it been close to either cusp would you have thought it should then be a birth time of earlier or later estimation?
Given what the Sabian Symbols are for the 18th and 20th degree of Pisces I would certainly hope that you would realize that, NO, can only be in the 19th of Pisces... but that's how you test and make rectifications.
You might likely find such an Astrological Part that you can be confident of its certain influence, such as that of the Part of Fortune, and be given two choices as to Sabian Symbols that are of possible effect and of the two only one is unmistakably that intended for yourself.
It can also come down to where a second or two changes the alignment of your chart axis too... and that could change the "WHO", "WHERE-TO", "HOW" and "WHY" of your horoscope as well as that of what the symbolism of the Part of Fortune or any other Astrological Part that is derived from a formula that includes the Asc. in its calculation or any of the House Cusps, for that matter.
From the process I've described above I was able to determine that I was born 16 seconds earlier than the time stated on my birth certificate. It didn't change my chart axis or Part of Fortune or Part of Soul but it was a qquestion of what my true Part of Innocence, aka Part of Naivete, is and whether is is in the 12th of Libra or the 11th.
As the Part of Innocence or Naivete is derived from the formula that is opposite that of the Part of Intelligence & Skill, r.e. that which is of your intelligence that you have the ability to most skillfully apply., then it must be interpreted as that which you at at a loss as how to apply or utilize. The word, "clueless" comes to my mind.
As the 12th of Libra has a Sabian Symbol as being such [ibid.] " MINERS ARE SURFACING FROM A DEEP COAL MINE.
KEYNOTE: The need to carry on at ever-deeper levels the quest for knowledge which keeps burning the fires of the collective mind of a society.
...the coal miner brings to the surface the ancient remains of what once was living substance. Keyword: EXTRACTION." ...and I've certainly had not the least bit of trouble in pursuing and applying that in my life ...as that is basically my endeavor with astrology is all about... finding the ancient knowledge, the long buried and forgotten thing it once was.
So, then what of the 11th degree of Libra... which is what I get for my Part of Innocence when I move my time of birth back a few seconds...?
[ibid.]
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A PROFESSOR PEERING OVER HIS GLASSES AT HIS STUDENTS.
KEYNOTE: Problems attending the transmission of knowledge in a special cultural setup.
This is a rather peculiar symbol for this phase of the process, and it reveals a rather humorous approach to what man's mind can accomplish at this stage. However, there seems to be no valid reason to make the image into some kind of a caricature, or to sentimentalize it by referring to a 'kind old professor'. Rather one should analyze the picture in order to discover its basic elements. The professor has dealt so much with books that he has greatly strained his eyes; in days when bifocal lenses were not widely used, he had to peer over his glasses in order to see his students. The symbol thus simply reveals two aspects of the condition of 'professor-ship' — that is, of being able to transfer to the young generation the vast sum of knowledge accumulated by the past. The need to absorb this enormous amount of book knowledge affects the mind as well as the eyes; in order to meet the demands of the turbulent youth, the teacher in a sense has to look above this knowledge and to see his students simply as human beings.
This is the first symbol in the thirty-ninth five-fold sequence. It deals at the intellectual level with the teaching of accumulated collective knowledge, and the problem posed by the acquisition of that knowledge. This is what INSTRUCTION means — a process not to be confused with 'education'."
...and BINGO ...there it is... of this I haven't the least bit of doubt as to my being an "instructor" is that which I am the least cut out to do... I have the darndest time trying to explain how this stuff works and why to anyone... I just know it does and can see it...I can even "feel it", if that makes any sense to you? But, I can't really explain it.
While I have Math, spatial comprehension, and mechanical reasoning abilities measured to be among the highest found that have ever been tested my verbal skills are but that of your average Joe and trying to explain what I am able to comprehend in the one realm by means of the other leaves me dumbfounded for the better part of most of the time.
i can only hope that I at least did an adequate job of it here in this post today... and did serve to further your understanding rather than hinder it?