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Retrogrades in the nutshell
RETROGRADES IN DETAIL, by TIKANA
As you may know or noticed, the only 2 objects in our galaxy that do not go retrograde are Sun and Moon. The rest of them do.
In reality, planets do not go retrograde they are always direct but we on Earth can and do observe reverse motion which leads people to believe a planet is going backwards. As a result of such planetary motion, a retrograde planet in natal/transit/progressions charts will be greatly affected.
Some astrologers have a theory that a retrograde planet is a window, showing you who you were in a previous life and what you brought into this life which is still unresolved.
A lot of people have a planet that changes direction from direct to retrograde or vice versa after a few days of their birth. (because one day is the equivalent of one year in astrology, the person then can have a retrograde planet turn into a direct one after a few years of life, or vice versa) It has been mentioned in a few sources and my notes from the people I have studied, that if their natal planet is retrograde and it turns direct after a few days (=years), the natal planet in retrograde motion will still play a bigger role and the direct motion will have less impact on an individual.
So for example, an individual has Venus Retro, a few days later Venus went stationary then direct. That individual will still have a strong Venus’s retrograde effect EVEN THOUGH logically speaking, a retrograde Venus should be less powerful than direct. I can only explain this, by assuming that the very retrograde planet has the ability and capability to change its perspective more powerfully than a direct planet. Unfortunately, we cannot really test the effect of direct and retrograde condition on a person after a few days because the individual might be too young.
My other guess is that direct planets moves faster than a retrograde planet.
With a retrograde planet, you will end up having either aspects (e.g., opposition, square, etc.) or no aspects to a direct planet, or an aspect to another retrograde planet.
I think with a retrograde planet in your chart, there is a strong indication of adaptability and flexibility when it comes to its ability to express itself. If it doesn't oppose any planets, a retrograde natal planet is its own boss. Not only that, but it has no strict restrictions to control the retrograde planet and its force. It does not abide by any rules or regulations. I have noticed that retrograde planets with no other planets to aspect them, will be very free in their behavior.
We cannot say the same for a retrograde planet that’s in opposition with another natal planet . An opposition is basically a tug of war. Compromise is absolutely necessary. When you have a direct planet opposing a retrograde planet, the potential for growth and understanding (its true potential) is very limited.
Also, with this aspect you might end up losing control over the houses involved and have a strong desire or an internal never-ending battle between what is strong in you and what is weak in you. You may retreat and hide and try not to bring it out in the open which MAY create a self-destructive personality but that is rare. I haven’t seen that many self-destructive people with that opposition. There are usually other indications.
If a retrograde planet is conjuncting the direct oriented planet, the retrograde planet is in no way, shape or form weaker than any direct planet nor loses its own natural energy when turning direct, UNLESS there should be an opposition present. Retrograde planets express itself in a rebellious matter when the native least expects it. Of course, the location and rulership of such a planet should be analyzed to see how expressive the retrograde planet is.
Once you break down the retrograde planet in the chart and understand how a retrograde planet or planets express themselves in your chart, studying the house or houses should be analyzed next. Usually, I start with identifying in which group or groups your retrograde planet or planets are/is placed in.
The subjective domain group is placed from 10th through 3rd group. If there is a planet or planets that are located in any of those houses, the individual will need to learn lessons through his/her need to control life. Often, any number of retrograde planets show that the person is unable to have faith in him/herself.
The Objective domain group is located between the 4th and 9th house. Retrogrades in this section point to a person who is likely to have a lot of uncertainties and indecisions towards what he/she wants out of life.
If all of your retrograde planets are located above the horizon, there is a strong need for public life and often times; it is hidden on the subconscious level. This person will have to learn to be out in the open and go after success on his/her own. I have noticed that people with above the horizon retrogrades tend to drive extra hard to get to their goals. Often their frustrations and prohibitions are triggered by early childhood experiences and parents/guardians expectations of them.
Retrogrades below the horizon behave quite differently. If retrogrades above the horizon call on the individual to be out there in the open, retrogrades below the horizon call such individuals to have an eternal need for privacy and internal happiness. They tend to be more introverted without understanding why, nor having an ability to be more outgoing unless there are indicators of outgoing personality in the natal chart. I have looked at twelve individual’s charts and I could not figure out why these people who have literally nothing in common astrologically and personality had a strong need to sway the spotlight away from them and without arousing public attention.
In one case, a five year old child had a predominant number of planets below the horizon. Every time his parents would mention his great piano skills, the child would just take off to another room and cry. I narrowed it down to planets below the horizon but then I started paying attention to retrograde planets. It maybe a coincidence but this is what I noticed.
When I originally began my search for astrological explanation to define direct and retrograde planetary direction, I did not start with house location but I started with looking into quadrants.
References
Rohini Ranjan - Retrograde Planets: Another Perspective
Martin Schulman - Karmic Astrology: Retrogrades and Reincarnation
Yott, Donald H. Retrograde planets and reincarnation
Ingrid Naiman - Reincarnation and Retrograde Lecture notes
Saturn and reincarnation - By Jeanne Avery
PATTERNS OF THE PAST, The Birthchart, Karma & Reincarnation - Judy Hall
YESTERDAY'S SKY: Astrology & reincarnation - Steven Forrest
PAST LIVES, FUTURE CHOICES, The Astrology of Reincarnation - Maritha Pottenger
ASTROLOGY & PAST LIVES - Mary Devlin
COSMIC KARMA: Understanding your contract with the universe - Marguerite Manning
KARMIC ASTROLOGY: Past lives, present loves - Ruth Aharoni
DISCOVERING YOUR SOUL MISSION: How to use karmic astrology to create the life you want - Linda Brady & Evan St. Lifer
EYE OF THE CENTAUR, A visionary guide into past lives - Barbara Hand Clow
UNDERSTANDING RETROGRADES - Helen J. Adams
MORE ABOUT RETROGRADES - Helen Adams Garrett,
RETROGRADE PLANETS Transversing the Inner Landscape - Erin Sullivan
YOUR HIDDEN POWERS: Intercepted Signs & Retrograde Planets - Joanne Wickenburg,
Subtleties of Medical Astrology By Dr. K S Charak
Synthesis & counseling in astrology: the professional manual By Noel Tyl
Retrograde Planets: Traversing the Inner Landscape By Erin Sullivan
Astrology By Sanat Kumar Jain
The Complete Book of Spiritual Astrology By Per Henrik Gullfoss
The modern text-book of astrology By Margaret E. Hone
An astrological study of psychological complexes By Dane Rudhyar
Complete Astrology: The Classic Guide to Modern Astrology By Alan Oken
Evolutionary Astrology: Pluto and Your Karmic Mission By Deva Crystal Green
ABC of the Old Science of Astrology for Beginners By Sidney Randall
Astrology, Archetypes and Insight By Chandra Sammons
The Astrology of Family Dynamics By Erin Sullivan
Self-Evident Astrology By Jeffrey Sayer Close
Astrology for initiates: astrological secrets of the western mystery tradition By Papus, J. Lee Lehman
Elements of Astrology By L. D. Broughton
Chaldean Astrology By George Wilde
An astrological study of psychological complexes and emotional problems By Dane Rudhyar
Astrology for the age of Aquarius By Jan Kurrels
The Stars: A New Way to See Them By H. A. Rey
Astrology - Its Technics and Ethics By C Aq Libra
Astrology and Its Practical Application By E. Parker, Coba Goedhart
Astrology, science of knowledge and reason By Ellen H. Bennett
The outer temple of witchcraft: circles, spells, and rituals By Christopher Penczak
Practical Astrology: A Simple Method of Instruction in the Science of Astrology By Alan Leo
Astrology, psychology, and the four elements - Stephen Arroyo
Astrology: 30 Years Research By Doris Chase Doane
The elements of reincarnation By A. T. Mann
[Moderator note - this post has been copied over from the main article, "Retrogrades in the nutshell", posted by the author on the 'Education Board' of the forum, in order to start this thread. Its purpose is to provide a place for the readers to discuss the article and have an educational dialogue on the subject.
A long reference & reading list compiled by the author can be found on the main thread on the 'Education Board'.]
RETROGRADES IN DETAIL, by TIKANA
As you may know or noticed, the only 2 objects in our galaxy that do not go retrograde are Sun and Moon. The rest of them do.
In reality, planets do not go retrograde they are always direct but we on Earth can and do observe reverse motion which leads people to believe a planet is going backwards. As a result of such planetary motion, a retrograde planet in natal/transit/progressions charts will be greatly affected.
Some astrologers have a theory that a retrograde planet is a window, showing you who you were in a previous life and what you brought into this life which is still unresolved.
A lot of people have a planet that changes direction from direct to retrograde or vice versa after a few days of their birth. (because one day is the equivalent of one year in astrology, the person then can have a retrograde planet turn into a direct one after a few years of life, or vice versa) It has been mentioned in a few sources and my notes from the people I have studied, that if their natal planet is retrograde and it turns direct after a few days (=years), the natal planet in retrograde motion will still play a bigger role and the direct motion will have less impact on an individual.
So for example, an individual has Venus Retro, a few days later Venus went stationary then direct. That individual will still have a strong Venus’s retrograde effect EVEN THOUGH logically speaking, a retrograde Venus should be less powerful than direct. I can only explain this, by assuming that the very retrograde planet has the ability and capability to change its perspective more powerfully than a direct planet. Unfortunately, we cannot really test the effect of direct and retrograde condition on a person after a few days because the individual might be too young.
My other guess is that direct planets moves faster than a retrograde planet.
With a retrograde planet, you will end up having either aspects (e.g., opposition, square, etc.) or no aspects to a direct planet, or an aspect to another retrograde planet.
I think with a retrograde planet in your chart, there is a strong indication of adaptability and flexibility when it comes to its ability to express itself. If it doesn't oppose any planets, a retrograde natal planet is its own boss. Not only that, but it has no strict restrictions to control the retrograde planet and its force. It does not abide by any rules or regulations. I have noticed that retrograde planets with no other planets to aspect them, will be very free in their behavior.
We cannot say the same for a retrograde planet that’s in opposition with another natal planet . An opposition is basically a tug of war. Compromise is absolutely necessary. When you have a direct planet opposing a retrograde planet, the potential for growth and understanding (its true potential) is very limited.
Also, with this aspect you might end up losing control over the houses involved and have a strong desire or an internal never-ending battle between what is strong in you and what is weak in you. You may retreat and hide and try not to bring it out in the open which MAY create a self-destructive personality but that is rare. I haven’t seen that many self-destructive people with that opposition. There are usually other indications.
If a retrograde planet is conjuncting the direct oriented planet, the retrograde planet is in no way, shape or form weaker than any direct planet nor loses its own natural energy when turning direct, UNLESS there should be an opposition present. Retrograde planets express itself in a rebellious matter when the native least expects it. Of course, the location and rulership of such a planet should be analyzed to see how expressive the retrograde planet is.
Once you break down the retrograde planet in the chart and understand how a retrograde planet or planets express themselves in your chart, studying the house or houses should be analyzed next. Usually, I start with identifying in which group or groups your retrograde planet or planets are/is placed in.
The subjective domain group is placed from 10th through 3rd group. If there is a planet or planets that are located in any of those houses, the individual will need to learn lessons through his/her need to control life. Often, any number of retrograde planets show that the person is unable to have faith in him/herself.
The Objective domain group is located between the 4th and 9th house. Retrogrades in this section point to a person who is likely to have a lot of uncertainties and indecisions towards what he/she wants out of life.
If all of your retrograde planets are located above the horizon, there is a strong need for public life and often times; it is hidden on the subconscious level. This person will have to learn to be out in the open and go after success on his/her own. I have noticed that people with above the horizon retrogrades tend to drive extra hard to get to their goals. Often their frustrations and prohibitions are triggered by early childhood experiences and parents/guardians expectations of them.
Retrogrades below the horizon behave quite differently. If retrogrades above the horizon call on the individual to be out there in the open, retrogrades below the horizon call such individuals to have an eternal need for privacy and internal happiness. They tend to be more introverted without understanding why, nor having an ability to be more outgoing unless there are indicators of outgoing personality in the natal chart. I have looked at twelve individual’s charts and I could not figure out why these people who have literally nothing in common astrologically and personality had a strong need to sway the spotlight away from them and without arousing public attention.
In one case, a five year old child had a predominant number of planets below the horizon. Every time his parents would mention his great piano skills, the child would just take off to another room and cry. I narrowed it down to planets below the horizon but then I started paying attention to retrograde planets. It maybe a coincidence but this is what I noticed.
When I originally began my search for astrological explanation to define direct and retrograde planetary direction, I did not start with house location but I started with looking into quadrants.
References
Rohini Ranjan - Retrograde Planets: Another Perspective
Martin Schulman - Karmic Astrology: Retrogrades and Reincarnation
Yott, Donald H. Retrograde planets and reincarnation
Ingrid Naiman - Reincarnation and Retrograde Lecture notes
Saturn and reincarnation - By Jeanne Avery
PATTERNS OF THE PAST, The Birthchart, Karma & Reincarnation - Judy Hall
YESTERDAY'S SKY: Astrology & reincarnation - Steven Forrest
PAST LIVES, FUTURE CHOICES, The Astrology of Reincarnation - Maritha Pottenger
ASTROLOGY & PAST LIVES - Mary Devlin
COSMIC KARMA: Understanding your contract with the universe - Marguerite Manning
KARMIC ASTROLOGY: Past lives, present loves - Ruth Aharoni
DISCOVERING YOUR SOUL MISSION: How to use karmic astrology to create the life you want - Linda Brady & Evan St. Lifer
EYE OF THE CENTAUR, A visionary guide into past lives - Barbara Hand Clow
UNDERSTANDING RETROGRADES - Helen J. Adams
MORE ABOUT RETROGRADES - Helen Adams Garrett,
RETROGRADE PLANETS Transversing the Inner Landscape - Erin Sullivan
YOUR HIDDEN POWERS: Intercepted Signs & Retrograde Planets - Joanne Wickenburg,
Subtleties of Medical Astrology By Dr. K S Charak
Synthesis & counseling in astrology: the professional manual By Noel Tyl
Retrograde Planets: Traversing the Inner Landscape By Erin Sullivan
Astrology By Sanat Kumar Jain
The Complete Book of Spiritual Astrology By Per Henrik Gullfoss
The modern text-book of astrology By Margaret E. Hone
An astrological study of psychological complexes By Dane Rudhyar
Complete Astrology: The Classic Guide to Modern Astrology By Alan Oken
Evolutionary Astrology: Pluto and Your Karmic Mission By Deva Crystal Green
ABC of the Old Science of Astrology for Beginners By Sidney Randall
Astrology, Archetypes and Insight By Chandra Sammons
The Astrology of Family Dynamics By Erin Sullivan
Self-Evident Astrology By Jeffrey Sayer Close
Astrology for initiates: astrological secrets of the western mystery tradition By Papus, J. Lee Lehman
Elements of Astrology By L. D. Broughton
Chaldean Astrology By George Wilde
An astrological study of psychological complexes and emotional problems By Dane Rudhyar
Astrology for the age of Aquarius By Jan Kurrels
The Stars: A New Way to See Them By H. A. Rey
Astrology - Its Technics and Ethics By C Aq Libra
Astrology and Its Practical Application By E. Parker, Coba Goedhart
Astrology, science of knowledge and reason By Ellen H. Bennett
The outer temple of witchcraft: circles, spells, and rituals By Christopher Penczak
Practical Astrology: A Simple Method of Instruction in the Science of Astrology By Alan Leo
Astrology, psychology, and the four elements - Stephen Arroyo
Astrology: 30 Years Research By Doris Chase Doane
The elements of reincarnation By A. T. Mann
[Moderator note - this post has been copied over from the main article, "Retrogrades in the nutshell", posted by the author on the 'Education Board' of the forum, in order to start this thread. Its purpose is to provide a place for the readers to discuss the article and have an educational dialogue on the subject.
A long reference & reading list compiled by the author can be found on the main thread on the 'Education Board'.]
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) in the 4th, for you to go on with your research...If I ever have any clear idea of what this Neptune is supposed to be, I'd share it.
