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The takeover of Palestine by mostly Europeanized Semites known as "Jews", who believe that they are returning to their ancient homeland (from which they were expelled by the Romans, and prevented from returning by those of the then new, Islamic religion), is often compared by Progressives in the U.S., as equivalent to the takeover of North America by Christian Europeans.
This is the comparison? The origin of the conflict seems very different to me, as it has escalated from the nationalists movements among the Jews and among the Arabs, both claiming Palestina their homeland. Besides tiny Jewish minorities have remained in Palestina regardless Jewish expulsion by Romans.

The takeover of North America was on the other hand the clash of the two priviously unknown worlds (the Viking episode was practically unimportant). Historically speaking I don't see this comparison very accurate, but no doubt the whole situation is very tragical for the Palestinians for a long time now. The never ending question of the conqueror and the victim.

In Europe, predominantely far right groups claim that recent "invasion of Islam" has put us in the position of Native Americans. That this situation is practically the same. It would be interesting to hear the opinion of somebody who is Native American.
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This is the comparison? The origin of the conflict seems very different to me, as it has escalated from the nationalists movements among the Jews and among the Arabs, both claiming Palestina their homeland. Besides tiny Jewish minorities have remained in Palestina regardless Jewish expulsion by Romans.

The takeover of North America was on the other hand the clash of the two priviously unknown worlds (the Viking episode was practically unimportant). Historically speaking I don't see this comparison very accurate, but no doubt the whole situation is very tragical for the Palestinians for a long time now. The never ending question of the conqueror and the victim.

In Europe, predominantely far right groups claim that recent "invasion of Islam" has put us in the position of Native Americans. That this situation is practically the same. It would be interesting to hear the opinion of somebody who is Native American.
I agree that the Islam/Israeli conflict and the initial habitation of N.A. by Europeans are a bit different in tone. However, it should also be recognized, I think, that history is written by the bold and the victorious. I don't think there's any question that there were a$$holes behind the spread of "American" culture as time went on, but what I think the progressives tend to forget is, first, that there were a lot of good people who didn't have a say in how far the colonization was pushed, and second, that we're talking something like 150 years or so since the last native American tribe was sort of put in a specific territory and locked there. What was the home of a native American 150 years ago is now an American's home. The modern native has never lived in territory "owned" by U.S. citizens for over a hundred years.

So unless we're talking about forcibly evicting hundreds of millions of people and scrunching them all into tiny, over-packed cities on the East coast ('cause there ain't anywhere else for them to go) or outright euthanizing them and their kids, this argument doesn't even have any room for debate. Did U.S. politicians and pioneers take a lot of land from indigenous people? Yup. But now is not then, and the circumstances and demographics have changed. There's no reason the N.A. tribes can't join the U.S. citizenry and make their votes matter in our culture.

But I'm not even going to entertain the idea of wiping out hundreds of millions of human beings so a scant ten million or so N.A. humans can have more land than their numbers require. Besides, they're having almost as much trouble with in-fighting as our own government, at this point. The local N.A. casino was shut down for like half a year or some sh*t a year ago because the various factions couldn't decide of the distribution of profits or whatever. Not that it inconvenienced me at all; I don't gamble.
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I agree that the Islam/Israeli conflict and the initial habitation of N.A. by Europeans are a bit different in tone. However, it should also be recognized, I think, that history is written by the bold and the victorious. I don't think there's any question that there were a$$holes behind the spread of "American" culture as time went on, but what I think the progressives tend to forget is, first, that there were a lot of good people who didn't have a say in how far the colonization was pushed, and second, that we're talking something like 150 years or so since the last native American tribe was sort of put in a specific territory and locked there. What was the home of a native American 150 years ago is now an American's home. The modern native has never lived in territory "owned" by U.S. citizens for over a hundred years.

So unless we're talking about forcibly evicting hundreds of millions of people and scrunching them all into tiny, over-packed cities on the East coast ('cause there ain't anywhere else for them to go) or outright euthanizing them and their kids, this argument doesn't even have any room for debate. Did U.S. politicians and pioneers take a lot of land from indigenous people? Yup. But now is not then, and the circumstances and demographics have changed. There's no reason the N.A. tribes can't join the U.S. citizenry and make their votes matter in our culture.

But I'm not even going to entertain the idea of wiping out hundreds of millions of human beings so a scant ten million or so N.A. humans can have more land than their numbers require. Besides, they're having almost as much trouble with in-fighting as our own government, at this point. The local N.A. casino was shut down for like half a year or some sh*t a year ago because the various factions couldn't decide of the distribution of profits or whatever. Not that it inconvenienced me at all; I don't gamble.
I hope you do realize that you have a discussion with some political/ideological groups in USA, I guess, because your answer has nothing to do with my post. Besides it was not my attention to attack or criticise you, I was only interested in particular questions.

The comparison with Native Americans is also politically important in my culture, by the way (i don't mean Islam this time).
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I'm sure natural resources have played the great part in it, but anyway - China claims that historically and politically Tibet is part of China, so from China's point of view Tibet has been undergoing radical changes typical for entire state.


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You're saying that my remarks about people spamming a board with meme images in an attempt to win by volume of argument rather than quality are causing an opposing force that is driving the individual in question to engage in more such misconduct.

I understand, but I don't entirely agree. Opposition will always exist. It's not on me to accept that sort of blatant abuse of free speech, nor is the perp obliged to conduct him- or herself more appropriately. But if there is to be a reduction of the fracture in society, the extremists you refer to are going to have to understand that it's their extreme positions and expressions that cause their opposition to take the extreme position they do. Dialing back their conviction and presumed moral authority would let the "other side" relax a little, too.

But since self-correction requires self-restraint and extremism is axiomatically opposite to the required conservatism, I just wanna know where the mute button is. Pretty innocuous request, I thought.

I generally agree with your argument about the memes.

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The first BLACK Ops President was Eisenhower, who used the CIA to overthrow the democratically elected President of Iran for the Oil Corporations, a huge mistake as it turned out. Nixon was the second BLACK Ops President, training death squads in Central and South America on behalf of Corporations. The Drug Cartels are the results of Richard Nixon's "War on Drugs", which has led to a major upsurge in human trafficking. Singling out a President's BLACK Ops policies based on his Race, is Racism.

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well, I have the results of my DNA test. My mother did hers. and soon my nephew, cus we don't know anything of his mother's family. I'm overwhelmingly European, since my father's French...he will do his soon. My mother is 95% European, 0.6% African and 4.4% indigenous American. However, for 10 generations, there were Cherokee tribal records of my ancestors, even the US Census accepted it. Tiny bits of Portugal, Croatia, Poland and Finland - despite heavy British and German. And Mom's DNA test discovered Africans entered in 1650-80 in the Carolinas. My Dad thinks he may have Jewish in his genes.
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