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Here is what I learnt about plutonic relationships. But before that just a brief explanation on where I'm coming from and what I believe. I believe in past lives and I believe that we all have a frequency and our frequency/vibrational imprint causes us to attract certain experiences in our lives. Astrology is merely a look into our consciousness and the type of person we embody or are supposed to. How we roll in this life time and the traits we produce along the way is solely up to us and the circumstances we come upon.
So what's our frequency/vibrational imprint? We all have an energetic body. We all have versions of us in every level of existence or dimensions. So our shadow exists in all dimensions. The experiences we experience in this life time are a combination of our thoughts, emotions, fantasies, desires/dislikes, core beliefs about ourselves relative to the world around us, and our past experiences or in other words "what home felt like." A skinny woman who used to be fat during elementary school and was ridiculed because of that will be offended nonetheless if a person were to currently call her fat, and if these feelings and past events dominate her mind, she will come upon anerexic people who are obsessed with weight or People obsessed with beauty and appearances who will trigger her into a state of self-conciousness, a vibrational state like the past will repeat itself. Just like a chubby woman who has had a good self-image will probably attract chubby chasers into her life who will make her feel beautiful. So good parenting is important folks.
Just like present events can trigger past emotions, similar to that, so can events, and people related to past lives. So let's talk about plutonic relationships. What defines this relationship? Jealousy, possessiveness, unreasonable obsession, and powerstruggles are what defines it. Usually, people who engage in these relationships and fall trap to it have a heavy pluto influence in their natal chart because they are meant to experience the issues of evoking jealousy and obsession as well as being provoked themselves. But nonetheless, in the relationship, one of them seems to play pluto, and the other persophone.
Persophone person(and this person will probably have a somewhat plutonic influence), will meet the pluto person and will be instantly repulsed or somewhat creeped out by the pluto person. But unknown to pluto, Persophone has low self esteem(plutonic people are usually ridiculed or somewhat traumatized as children and have internal wounds). So Pluto will chase, but the chasing is not exactly fun, and light hearted, there'll be something dark about it. Pluto wants Persophone because he finds her beautiful and nonetheless is inexplicably drawn to her. Persophone loves the intensity because she feels wanted but she doesn't trust him at all for whatever reason because Pluto has probably hurt her very badly(most likely cheated on her) in a past lifetime and he has karma to pay now. That's where persophone's trust issues, and reluctance comes from. But persophone likes the attention, and wants to heal pluto's wounds, because she lacks a sense of significance.
When they finally enter a relationship, what ends up happening is that Pluto starts seeing how Persophone is perceived by other people and how Persophone really is. Venus/Persophone is charming, superficial and attractive. Persophone is better in some way and either she is better looking, more educated, or make more money than Pluto. People like her better, she has a better social standing and more support. And this is to make pluto feel like he's walking on eggshells and make him feel like he can always lose her, and why is that? Because his karma came from the fact that he cheated on her and really hurt her. So after they enter a relationship, pluto discovers all her flaws, her baggage, and sees her worst, they also share secrets.
Then Pluto sees how wonderful Persophone is in public and how easily she can leave him. He feels powerless, resentful and like she should only belong to him and shower him with her attention because he loves her despite her flaws and the outside world don't. That's when the manipulation, mind games and power struggles begin. Pluto wants to make persophone feel bad so she can go down to his level where they can reside forever. He wants to break her. So he'll call her names, shatter her self-esteem some more, maybe even make her jealous.
Then persophone will feel worthless, and will need to get her power back so either she'll be provoked to cheat on him and pluto gets what he deserves from a past life, or she'll give the impression that she is the maiden he can never fully get a grasp of. This can play out as simple as her withdrawing, to her simply showering her attention and using her social graces on other people and even men, and at the worst, she cheats.
And the cycle repeats. Pluto hates this, and pushes the manipulation and subtle abuse up a notch. He sees her as a femme fatale who has the power to destroy him. He wishes he didn't love her but he does and can't tell you why. But he has no respect for her. Conciously, he almost hates her, but subconciously he is inexplicably in love with her and is addicted to her presence and energy. So sex is often rough, and intense and the sexual intensity and tension becomes addictive. So both or simply pluto end up thinking that they can't live without one another. And again the cycle repeats. Pluto feels insecure and makes persophone feel insecure, so persophone can't handle these feelings, so she tries to find her own power, but pluto eventually puts her in her place. At some point persophone may also start manipulating. What do you think?
So plutonic relationships are often dangerously karmic. They trigger the person that should get the karma which is Persophone to distrust and be afraid of Pluto who owes the karma. What do you think?
The only way that plutonic relationships can work is if they work on themselves saperately. Persophone needs self-esteem and needs to see her worth. Pluto needs to become worthy of Persophone instead of trying to turn persophone unworthy and prevent her growth for his selfishness.
So what's our frequency/vibrational imprint? We all have an energetic body. We all have versions of us in every level of existence or dimensions. So our shadow exists in all dimensions. The experiences we experience in this life time are a combination of our thoughts, emotions, fantasies, desires/dislikes, core beliefs about ourselves relative to the world around us, and our past experiences or in other words "what home felt like." A skinny woman who used to be fat during elementary school and was ridiculed because of that will be offended nonetheless if a person were to currently call her fat, and if these feelings and past events dominate her mind, she will come upon anerexic people who are obsessed with weight or People obsessed with beauty and appearances who will trigger her into a state of self-conciousness, a vibrational state like the past will repeat itself. Just like a chubby woman who has had a good self-image will probably attract chubby chasers into her life who will make her feel beautiful. So good parenting is important folks.
Just like present events can trigger past emotions, similar to that, so can events, and people related to past lives. So let's talk about plutonic relationships. What defines this relationship? Jealousy, possessiveness, unreasonable obsession, and powerstruggles are what defines it. Usually, people who engage in these relationships and fall trap to it have a heavy pluto influence in their natal chart because they are meant to experience the issues of evoking jealousy and obsession as well as being provoked themselves. But nonetheless, in the relationship, one of them seems to play pluto, and the other persophone.
Persophone person(and this person will probably have a somewhat plutonic influence), will meet the pluto person and will be instantly repulsed or somewhat creeped out by the pluto person. But unknown to pluto, Persophone has low self esteem(plutonic people are usually ridiculed or somewhat traumatized as children and have internal wounds). So Pluto will chase, but the chasing is not exactly fun, and light hearted, there'll be something dark about it. Pluto wants Persophone because he finds her beautiful and nonetheless is inexplicably drawn to her. Persophone loves the intensity because she feels wanted but she doesn't trust him at all for whatever reason because Pluto has probably hurt her very badly(most likely cheated on her) in a past lifetime and he has karma to pay now. That's where persophone's trust issues, and reluctance comes from. But persophone likes the attention, and wants to heal pluto's wounds, because she lacks a sense of significance.
When they finally enter a relationship, what ends up happening is that Pluto starts seeing how Persophone is perceived by other people and how Persophone really is. Venus/Persophone is charming, superficial and attractive. Persophone is better in some way and either she is better looking, more educated, or make more money than Pluto. People like her better, she has a better social standing and more support. And this is to make pluto feel like he's walking on eggshells and make him feel like he can always lose her, and why is that? Because his karma came from the fact that he cheated on her and really hurt her. So after they enter a relationship, pluto discovers all her flaws, her baggage, and sees her worst, they also share secrets.
Then Pluto sees how wonderful Persophone is in public and how easily she can leave him. He feels powerless, resentful and like she should only belong to him and shower him with her attention because he loves her despite her flaws and the outside world don't. That's when the manipulation, mind games and power struggles begin. Pluto wants to make persophone feel bad so she can go down to his level where they can reside forever. He wants to break her. So he'll call her names, shatter her self-esteem some more, maybe even make her jealous.
Then persophone will feel worthless, and will need to get her power back so either she'll be provoked to cheat on him and pluto gets what he deserves from a past life, or she'll give the impression that she is the maiden he can never fully get a grasp of. This can play out as simple as her withdrawing, to her simply showering her attention and using her social graces on other people and even men, and at the worst, she cheats.
And the cycle repeats. Pluto hates this, and pushes the manipulation and subtle abuse up a notch. He sees her as a femme fatale who has the power to destroy him. He wishes he didn't love her but he does and can't tell you why. But he has no respect for her. Conciously, he almost hates her, but subconciously he is inexplicably in love with her and is addicted to her presence and energy. So sex is often rough, and intense and the sexual intensity and tension becomes addictive. So both or simply pluto end up thinking that they can't live without one another. And again the cycle repeats. Pluto feels insecure and makes persophone feel insecure, so persophone can't handle these feelings, so she tries to find her own power, but pluto eventually puts her in her place. At some point persophone may also start manipulating. What do you think?
So plutonic relationships are often dangerously karmic. They trigger the person that should get the karma which is Persophone to distrust and be afraid of Pluto who owes the karma. What do you think?
The only way that plutonic relationships can work is if they work on themselves saperately. Persophone needs self-esteem and needs to see her worth. Pluto needs to become worthy of Persophone instead of trying to turn persophone unworthy and prevent her growth for his selfishness.