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I blame the victorians and various old school religions establishments for the 'perversion' of beautiful natural wonderful life giving pleasure educing sex. Such a fake way to live.....

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@Choe - "Because we need to promote conservative values," was sarcasm, hence the "people act like we [minors] haven't seen anything [adult content]." Plus, we can use multiple planets. I have a baaad Jupiter and Jupiter and Saturn are two sides of a polarity to me. The "see how Saturnian they are" referred to maturity and gauging it based on their chart, and that'd be more like a Saturn/Mars polarity. Of course, there is also a Mercury/Jupiter polarity, Mercury/Moon polarity, Mercury/Mars polarity, Sun/Moon polarity, Luminary/Saturn polarity, and a billion others, but those are irrelevant. Except the first one and third ones might have to do with miscommunications since Mercury communicates, Mars causes accidents, and Jupiter glosses over the details.

I'm a rebel. Remember that. People seem to forget my username. "Oh, you're a trad" and "Why are you ignoring such powerful planets as Uranus, Neptune, and Pluto?" *Points to username Rebel Uranian*

Now you people need to stop misinterpreting my posts or I'm going to have to stop posting.

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Rebel Uranian said:

@Choe - "Because we need to promote conservative values," was sarcasm, hence the "people act like we [minors] haven't seen anything [adult content]." Plus, we can use multiple planets. I have a baaad Jupiter and Jupiter and Saturn are two sides of a polarity to me. The "see how Saturnian they are" referred to maturity and gauging it based on their chart, and that'd be more like a Saturn/Mars polarity.

I'm a rebel. Remember that. People seem to forget my username.

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I agree with the bold. Who are we lying? Most minors nowadays know more about sex than their parents.

As for the rest, I had to say how much I detest people who claim to be conservative and yet they don't like for eg. PIPA and SOPA (non-liberal internet laws) because their ***es want to get things for free.

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What is a pipa (besides the princesses sister) and sopa?

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PIPA - Protect IP (address probably) Act
SOPA - Stop Online Piracy Act

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Love2Know said:

What is a pipa (besides the princesses sister) and sopa?

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Online Piracy Act, tabled in the US House of Representatives, and the Protect Intellectual Property Act, a Senate bill.

Wikipedia founder Jimmy Wales criticised the ''clumsily drafted legislation'' that he claimed would threaten an ''open'' internet.

The Wikimedia Foundation said the proposed laws could bring about new tools for censorship of international websites inside the US.

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Oh man ok thanks!!

Choe said:

This is the thing I loathe about traditionalists and conservatives:
They don't recognize Uranus(ruling the Internet and all the technologies) and Neptun(ruling films), Pluto(****,mafia,underground) but they live the modern ways.

The modern life are these planets. If you live like in medieval age- no watching TV, without electricity and so on, then I'll say you are NOT A HYPOCRITE and recognize you like a true traditionalist who practices what preaches.

One thing are people who use TA because it's classic and more practical technique for horary or so, another are people who deny the transcendental planets and promote conservative values when they live more or less a modern lifestyle.

RU, if you were Saturnian, you wouldn't be on the internet right now,because you wouldn't recognize it.Period.

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This post makes a LOT of assumptions.

Assumption 1: Uranus rules technology. Even more arrogant, "all technologies." Mars rules technology.

Assumption 2: Neptune rules films. Really?

Assumption 3: Saturn doesn't "recognize" the internet because it wasn't around 3,000 years ago.

The internet, in my opinion, is either Mercurial or Jovian. An invention designed to provide unlimited access to all the information in the world at a moment's notice is Uranian? Isn't Uranus about anarchy and revolution and whatnot? Isn't the internet about learning and sharing ideas? Is that what Uranus people do? Or is that what Mercury and Jupiter people do?

Neptune rules films? Aren't actors Sun people? Isn't enjoying a movie a Venusian thing to do? What does making a movie have to do with having your head in the fog? Or doing drugs? Or all the other unlimited things Neptune is described as ruling? Wait... holy ****, movies didn't exist before Neptune! I just realized if Shakespeare was born when Neptune was discovered, the English people would be packing MOVIE theaters! Too bad Uranus didn't get around to developing powerful telescopes.

Let's talk about how Pluto rules everything about sex, taboo, TRANSFORMATION, and anything else related to anything that exists... ever. Did people have sex before Pluto was discovered? Everyone's life must have been exactly the same before Pluto, I mean, no one could have possibly transformed themselves!

Traditional astrology is a growing trend. It's been growing since a lot of the older texts have been discovered. You shouldn't feel threatened by people promoting traditional methods. You're going to ignore it and do whatever you want anyways. Even though, to me, it's completely obvious anything beyond Saturn is pointless and moot, I can understand the emotional need to incorporate more. Traditional astrology was pretty blunt and harsh. That *****, so why not invent some fancy stuff with the outers... it's a great idea, no one can tell us otherwise.

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This post makes a LOT of assumptions.

Assumption 1: Uranus rules technology. Even more arrogant, "all technologies." Mars rules technology.

Assumption 2: Neptune rules films. Really?

Assumption 3: Saturn doesn't "recognize" the internet because it wasn't around 3,000 years ago.

The internet, in my opinion, is either Mercurial or Jovian. An invention designed to provide unlimited access to all the information in the world at a moment's notice is Uranian? Isn't Uranus about anarchy and revolution and whatnot? Isn't the internet about learning and sharing ideas? Is that what Uranus people do? Or is that what Mercury and Jupiter people do?

Neptune rules films? Aren't actors Sun people? Isn't enjoying a movie a Venusian thing to do? What does making a movie have to do with having your head in the fog? Or doing drugs? Or all the other unlimited things Neptune is described as ruling? Wait... holy ****, movies didn't exist before Neptune! I just realized if Shakespeare was born when Neptune was discovered, the English people would be packing MOVIE theaters! Too bad Uranus didn't get around to developing powerful telescopes.

Let's talk about how Pluto rules everything about sex, taboo, TRANSFORMATION, and anything else related to anything that exists... ever. Did people have sex before Pluto was discovered? Everyone's life must have been exactly the same before Pluto, I mean, no one could have possibly transformed themselves!

Traditional astrology is a growing trend. It's been growing since a lot of the older texts have been discovered. You shouldn't feel threatened by people promoting traditional methods. You're going to ignore it and do whatever you want anyways. Even though, to me, it's completely obvious anything beyond Saturn is pointless and moot, I can understand the emotional need to incorporate more. Traditional astrology was pretty blunt and harsh. That *****, so why not invent some fancy stuff with the outers... it's a great idea, no one can tell us otherwise.

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See, I can take this into consideration (except "Mars is technologies" statement ROFL), but first why don't you explain to me why the "rational and realistic" traditionalists use geocentric perspective when it is not scientific? That makes whole astrology false,imaginary and unsupported at least in my eyes,and I love astrology

Don't mention the cow. You are using planets of the Solar system, then you should be scientific and rational 'till the end and discredit the silly geocentric view.

True, Uranus rules science and technology - very common among Aquarius to experiment with such things; Neptune rules movies and other media (TV and radio) as well may well rule Hollywood...and Pluto is associated with crime, gangs and corruption.

I sense Japan has a Capricorn nature: Uranus co-rules the sign known to rule computer science and technological advancement, but be in mind the rates of suicide and depression is high in Japan, also a Neptunian trait of Pisces thought to rule Japan; and should I add Plutonian nature of crime or ethnic gang formation in (any) minority group diasporas in world history.

The outer planets symbolized liberal and radical movements versus the inner planets (plus the sun and our moon) held more conservative and traditional convictions in comparison.
Inner planets: Mercury, Venus, Mars, the Moon (earth's satellite) and the Sun (our central star of the solar system).
Outer planets: Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, Neptune and Pluto (technically not a planet). Chiron could be included in the list.
The Near-Earth Object Lilith is an "inner planet", while the neutral True Node may be part of the new sign Ophiuchus.
Each planet or celestial body rules a certain given sign, but which planets rules which signs are various in astrology.
One can assume the "right wing" sign of the zodiac are ruled by the inner planets, while the "Left wing" side are under influences of the outer planets and the nodes, near earth objects and planetoids like Eris, Ceres, Vesta, Juno or Pallas (maybe Sedna), the "twin" Charon of Pluto as a "dwarf planet", Cruithne as our earth's satellite; and hypothetical Vulcan.

To look at the signs Aries and Scorpio (ruled by Mars), Taurus and Libra (ruled by Venus), and Gemini and Virgo (ruled by Mercury), I have a clear picture of how "conservative" one sign is than the other, esp. masculine nature, earth and fire, and cardinal direction signs have more center-right opinions, beliefs and values. They are good examples, but when the sign Cancer is ruled by the Moon and Leo by the Sun, you have strong "parental" signs of neither sociopolitical nature.

Choe said:

I wanted to state that too! Neptun, but also probably the 5th house and Sun,because of all the worship drama of somebody's ego and the spotlight.

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My Neptune is 6th house in Sagittarius, while the Sun and Moon are in 8th house Aquarius. The planet Jupiter may be the moderate or third position: not so conservative nor so liberal. Other evident, well notable or minor planetary positions, trines, squares and conjunctions will impact a person's or thing's star chart.

Note that former actor, radio narrator and U.S. president Ronald Reagan an Aquarius (B. Feb. 6, 1911 Tampico, ILL.-D. June 10, 2004 Simi Valley Cal.) and his wife Nancy Reagan a Cancer (B. July 6, 1921) used astrology in their lifes, esp. Reagan coming out of 1930s-50s era "New Deal" Democrat from Liberal but pro-American Hollywood, will became a Conservative Republican to rule as Cal. state governor and then president to changed national and global politics.

MSO, I don't get it shouldn't astrology evolve with the times? The ancient astrology apparently had a ton of 'lost wisdom' that is the discourse anyways. So then nothing is perfect and people interested in astrology shouldn't be creatively hindered in their evolutionary views. Basically, with time we can perfect more and more systems...... like the discovery of new religions texts..... things need to evolve with our society and increased knowledge base.

Not trying to switch the topic of the OP, but I just wanted to add my two cents on something (since a few posters here stated a few things regarding the outers).

Well it goes either way how Astrology works, through the pulses of electromagnetivity (I think), or because the planets close te Earth emitt a strong light (reflection from the Sun) powerful enough to create some sort of cosmic affect on our lives!

Either way, to those saying the Outers hold not relativity in Astrology, Uranus is a planet that probably should hold some relativity. Because at times Uranus is close enough to the earth to be seen from the naked eye (which is the only compelling argument most Traditionalists hold, that the Outers cannot be seen with the Naked Eye, therefore Null in Astrology). Be that the case, shouldn't Uranus be included in interpretations during these times; natal, horary or event?

If the event where electromagnetivity is involved, then the Outers should be included as well, since they produce the stuff as much as the next planet? So in conclusion, Uranus, if not all the Outers (excluding the Asteroids) should be used in Astrology, if the above applies.

Again just my 2 cents.

To define astrological signs and celestial bodies to have "conservative" or "liberal" and "neither" influences on human society is relative. To call the least liberal planet of Saturn a "Liberal" and the least conservative planet Mercury a "conservative" borders more on labels and silly nonsense.

Mercury is the planet of speed, flight and equally applied to technologies, as well with flowers and artistic expression. In contrast, Saturn is about time and consistence, order and finality, fatalism and prejudgement. Mercury is associated with free markets while Saturn is utilitarianism.

Please note the discoveries of Uranus (1781) during the revolutionary era long after the U.S. gained independence, Neptune (1848) on the second wave when socialism was founded, and Pluto (1930) on the final wave increased with the great depression. In the mid 1980s: the five outer planets were in the range of Libra, Scorpio and Sagittarius: to predicted the 1987 Wall Street stock market crash and the following economic doldrums of the late 1980s/early 1990s.

oh, s*hit!
now i've figured out why claire is bird doggin' my posts wherever i talk about uranus.
i myself am a contemporary inclusive astrologer. i enlist modern and traditional understandings.
and i gree choe ~ if RU was as saturnian as she is intent on believing - devoid of uranian influence in her chart ~ she wouldn't be spiralling hither and thither on forum posts in search if some truth. - there'd be a very direct route to her goals and intent- saturn always looks at maps if they aren't sure where they are going.
but i would encourage others to consider, above all else, that a chart is a "tool" for knowledge, instinct, intuition. none of us can completely count on one method for complete understanding. my thoughts...

MaeMae said:

and i gree choe ~ if RU was as saturnian as she is intent on believing - devoid of uranian influence in her chart ~ she wouldn't be spiralling hither and thither on forum posts in search if some truth. - there'd be a very direct route to her goals and intent- saturn always looks at maps if they aren't sure where they are going.

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I'm a mix of all the planets. I'm Solarian, Lunarian, Mercurian, Venusian, Martian, Jupiterian, Saturnian, Uranian, Neptunian, and Plutonian. Aren't we all?

Also, how do you know I don't have a direct route to my goal? Uranus is the so-called "higher octave" of Mercury, which is the trickster. I know exactly where I'm going. I just don't want you to.

By the way, directness and openness are for Aries and Fire signs, which don't get along with Saturn at all.

While we're on this, I can't find a great page for Uranus yet (maybe I'm just dumb, but I can't figure out exactly what Uranus does), but if you want to know why I have links to pages on Mercury and Saturn in my signature, click them. Few people understand what most of the original 7 planets do, and almost nobody understands Saturn because it sounds totally (as opposed to partially or even mostly) boring to everyone (myself included) before they study it. If you understand the "old" ideas (in this case, planets), you'll understand where the "new" ideas came from and you'll see how things fit together in the bigger picture.

Moog said:

Sorry to say that Saturn doesn't go away when we discover Uranus.

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Do you think it does? Oh wait, the first quote on this post, and particularly the underlined section, already answers that question.

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Love2Know said:

What is a pipa (besides the princesses sister) and sopa?

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MSO said:

This post makes a LOT of assumptions.

Assumption 1: Uranus rules technology. Even more arrogant, "all technologies." Mars rules technology.

Assumption 2: Neptune rules films. Really?

Assumption 3: Saturn doesn't "recognize" the internet because it wasn't around 3,000 years ago.

The internet, in my opinion, is either Mercurial or Jovian. An invention designed to provide unlimited access to all the information in the world at a moment's notice is Uranian? Isn't Uranus about anarchy and revolution and whatnot? Isn't the internet about learning and sharing ideas? Is that what Uranus people do? Or is that what Mercury and Jupiter people do?

Neptune rules films? Aren't actors Sun people? Isn't enjoying a movie a Venusian thing to do? What does making a movie have to do with having your head in the fog? Or doing drugs? Or all the other unlimited things Neptune is described as ruling? Wait... holy ****, movies didn't exist before Neptune! I just realized if Shakespeare was born when Neptune was discovered, the English people would be packing MOVIE theaters! Too bad Uranus didn't get around to developing powerful telescopes.

Let's talk about how Pluto rules everything about sex, taboo, TRANSFORMATION, and anything else related to anything that exists... ever. Did people have sex before Pluto was discovered? Everyone's life must have been exactly the same before Pluto, I mean, no one could have possibly transformed themselves!

Traditional astrology is a growing trend. It's been growing since a lot of the older texts have been discovered. You shouldn't feel threatened by people promoting traditional methods. You're going to ignore it and do whatever you want anyways. Even though, to me, it's completely obvious anything beyond Saturn is pointless and moot, I can understand the emotional need to incorporate more. Traditional astrology was pretty blunt and harsh. That *****, so why not invent some fancy stuff with the outers... it's a great idea, no one can tell us otherwise.

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Really great post!!!

I consider myself Traditionl but I have nothing against Modern Astrology at all; why cant we agree to disagree?

S5

Choe said:

See, I can take this into consideration (except "Mars is technologies" statement ROFL), but first why don't you explain to me why the "rational and realistic" traditionalists use geocentric perspective when it is not scientific? That makes whole astrology false,imaginary and unsupported at least in my eyes,and I love astrology

Don't mention the cow. You are using planets of the Solar system, then you should be scientific and rational 'till the end and discredit the silly geocentric view.

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You "ROFL" because you're ignorant. I'll let it slide. Just like your comment about how traditionalists use geocentric... so do moderners

We use a geocentric philosophy because that's the philosophy behind astrology. It's our viewpoint. It's the reason we have to know the exact place of birth, because the viewpoint from there determines so much.

What about the outers? Well obviously they must transcend! And transform! They're spiritual advancement! And all the other words new age people like to use to make them sound special.

Personally, I can't wait 'til this new age phase dies out. Only a few more decades, MSO... be patient. I swear, you nutjobs see the word "transcend" and you begin shouting from the rooftops.

If you want to use a heliocentric model, be my guest. Please inform me of your findings. If someone can find a system that works better than the current one, I'm all for it. Unfortunately, I don't see you doing that. So your argument is now invalid.

The funny thing is, for every moderner argument for an outer planet in natal astrology, one can be made against it in traditional. OHHH I HAVE URANUS IN MY 5TH HOUSE I LIKE WOMEN WHO ARE REBELS! -Has Sagittarius for the 5th House.