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Unread 03-20-2020, 10:09 AM
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I'm French, and we are following Italy
Lockdown for everyone. 11000 cases known for now

French government sent our masks to china.
So, French people, and even some french doctor, french nurses do not have protections in some hospitals! Happily, some of them still have some, but their stock will be stock out very soon (1-2 weeks)

The husband of our last health minister (Yves Levy, husband of Agnes Buzin) was In Wuhan the day of inauguration of the P4 laboratory. They already knew the risks of this coronavirus.
So I don't understand why the government took so much time to act...

A lot of parisian people are going in their secondary residence in other regions.

Some hospitals are already overwhelmed. We do not have enough beds in some hospitals


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Good reminder.

The American Red Cross now faces a severe blood shortage due to an unprecedented number of blood drive cancellations during this coronavirus outbreak. Healthy individuals are needed to donate now to help patients counting on lifesaving blood.

Good news stories. People helping people. Some utilities in my area are excusing a month's payment. People have reported their rent for a month is excused.

Read a story of an elderly couple sitting in their car outside a grocery store calling for people to help them. They needed groceries but too afraid to go into the store and looking for someone to shop for them. A woman passing by volunteered.
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"French government sent our masks to china."

Apparently Italy is receiving thousands of masks from China today and tomorrow. I wonder if these are yours!!
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Here is the event chart for the virus. It is the exact time that WHO, the World Health Organization, announced the existence of the virus and pout forth a warning.

https://www.astrologyweekly.com/foru...d.php?t=131867


It is a fascinating chart. Five planets in Cap, in the 10th, with Jupiter right on top of the MC.

I think Jupiter is very important in this pandemic. I believe it was the combination of the Saturn/Pluto conjunctions, AND the Jupiter/Pluto conjunctions AND the Jupiter/Saturn conjunctions that ushered in this global crisis.
Fascinating, indeed! I note that this is a 12:00 chart, so I wonder if the time-- and hence the houses-- are correct.

Nevertheless it's stunning that all of the planets are lined up in two sextiles and a trine, plus some conjunctions. Not a square or opposition in sight.

For anyone interested in the dwarf planets, Ceres was right in there in Capricorn at 17 degrees. She's since moved into Aquarius. Some astrologers find Ceres prominent in charts of natural disasters. Eris, at 23 Aries was squaring the lot. Eris is a very slow-moving trans-Neptunian that will stay put for a while. Mythologically, the sister of Mars was associated with strife.

Among other things, Jupiter rules faith, so that's certainly being tested now.
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Unread 03-21-2020, 12:47 AM
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In my 10th house directly affecting my career. We just lost a huge government funding which now is going to the corona virus prevention. I am in disbelief and crushed. Also, this is a brand new job (thanks, Jupiter, I know it was you) and I am so worried about how April will be.
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Waybread how are people going to pay rent now that everyone is laid off?
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I don't have answers to everyone's personal financial situation.

In the US there is talk of ending evictions until further notice, but I can't say.

If people are laid off, they are probably eligible for unemployment insurance, and would have to apply for it. Normally it's not equal to a regular salary but would at least be something.

I think Saturn in Capricorn gives a big lesson in frugality. This would be a good time for everyone to cut their expenditures to the bare bones, and maybe to cooperate with friends and family if there are shared economies. For some people this might mean moving back in with their parents, or sharing expenses with friends.

If someone is losing a job yet must shelter at home, talking to the landlord may be helpful. If the crisis worsens, the landlord may not be able to attract new tenants, and may be willing to accept a partial rent payment over a non-payment.

If the landlord is something like a big developer they probably won't do this, but a Mom & Pop landlord may be willing to work out a work-for-rent scheme.
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It's been worrisome thinking of people losing their jobs or not having health care. So, it been a relief to see the policies our government/businesses are putting into place to help.

https://justcapital.com/news/capital...re-responding/

California's homeless has been on my mind but now I feel confident there is a path from overwhelming problem to "they are on top of this" after hearing a public nurse on the front lines of helping these people, she was very positive. They are putting up tents to separate ill people from the healthy and taking extra care to keep people safe. She says with news of meds and supplies becoming available their spirits are lifted and she sees within a month or two their goals to achieve a healthy environment will be reached.

Seeing people's ingenuity awakened during this crisis lifts the spirits. One hospital turned 2 respirators into 9 using some creative tubing.

We'll beat this virus!
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Unread 03-21-2020, 10:11 AM
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Hi, I hope everyone's doing okay around here. I've not been around for a while but something just came to me, so I thought id pop over and add it to this thread.

When the twin tower attack happened on September 11th, 2001, there was a Saturn/Pluto opposition minus 2-degree orb (so it wasn't exact). If you track back in time at the Saturn/Pluto cycles there have been catastrophic events tied to when Saturn/Pluto come into contact by opposition or conjunction, (maybe sometimes even a square). Also, what else has struck me from 2001 is that the opposition happened in Gemini/Sagg and the Gemini sign does look like the two twin towers.

After the opposition in 2001, we then have this conjunction in 2020, which is once again not exact but separating just like in 2001. The next Saturn/pluto cycle (catastrophe) will be the opposition in 2035 from the signs of Leo/Aquarius.
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Fascinating, indeed! I note that this is a 12:00 chart, so I wonder if the time-- and hence the houses-- are correct.

Nevertheless it's stunning that all of the planets are lined up in two sextiles and a trine, plus some conjunctions. Not a square or opposition in sight.

For anyone interested in the dwarf planets, Ceres was right in there in Capricorn at 17 degrees. She's since moved into Aquarius. Some astrologers find Ceres prominent in charts of natural disasters. Eris, at 23 Aries was squaring the lot. Eris is a very slow-moving trans-Neptunian that will stay put for a while. Mythologically, the sister of Mars was associated with strife.

Among other things, Jupiter rules faith, so that's certainly being tested now.
Hi Waybread,
I thought i would add Brady Mundane fixed star Parans.
The Coronavirus was first reported on 31st December 2019 regarding new cases in Wahan or Wuchang in China, link below:-
www.who.int...
I'm an archaeoastronomer, so sit on the fence regarding astrology reports, but have a number of astrology and astronomy programs, i thought that report below would interest:-


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Unread 03-21-2020, 11:25 AM
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Very interesting Monk, Thank you.

I am not a hoarder. I am getting calls from my elderly friends, who I am dropping off prescriptions, food and other needs to. None of them are sick. All of them are scared and paranoid. Another friend, has left his home rental to live in his office, he can't afford both living space and work space, even though his work space is shut down, he is choosing to pay for his work space and sleep there. I have offered him to shower here. Today I have put out that I am doing a garbage dump run. One elderly couple has some furniture they want disposed of. I am curious to see if the City will lower their minimum exorbitant fee of $25. Not likely. I guess I should make sure they are open
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"if the City will lower their minimum exorbitant fee of $25. "

You have to pay to dump things?
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Unread 03-21-2020, 04:28 PM
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"if the City will lower their minimum exorbitant fee of $25. "

You have to pay to dump things?
Yes, freedom costs big bucks! They are open for business.
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Unread 03-21-2020, 04:37 PM
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Where is that?
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ElenaJ, it is everywhere. There is a “last mile” cost for garbage. Means, might be no one is charged for making, marketing, profiting from, distributing, buying, selling, but will be for dumping. It’s a terrible model because it encourages cheating and pollution at the last mile. Many years ago I read a story about mafia involvement in garbage dumping in Italy. Mobsters who were accepting contracts for disposing of extremely hazardous waste, were forcing their way onto FARMS and dumping there. Where food is grown

Sorry if I sound irritable. I am just fed up with all the right wing people in my social media networks who are totally Johnny come lately to the ideas that poor people are actually the engine of the economy, that our macro economies are built on totally unsustainable industries dependent on fossil fuels, that people have no idea how to be healthy despite billions spent on medicine - and acting like their usual pundit-prophet selves.

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I don't want to enter a discussion on politics, but here we have a magnetic card, when we bring items to the dump, we scan the card, then depending on the weight we are given a credit on our next bill. To encourage people who can to bring things to the dump.
If they did the last mile rule here, people would be going to within a mile and leaving their things there!
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Is that a new concept, the magnetic card and credit?

“Last mile” is a metaphorical expression used in business to describe supply chains - it’s not the literal last mile, but the last step in a process.
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But how long can the new coronavirus linger on surfaces, anyway? The short answer is, we don't know. A new analysis found that the virus can remain viable in the air for up to 3 hours, on copper for up to 4 hours, on cardboard up to 24 hours and on plastic and stainless steel up to 72 hours. This study was originally published in the preprint database medRxiv on March 11, and now a revised version was published March 17 in The New England Journal of Medicine.
Found a little more information about the air analysis:

"The study did find the virus could survive in the air for a couple of hours; however, this study was designed as academic exercise rather than a real-world test. This study put COVID-19 into a spray bottle to “mist” it into the air. I don’t know anyone who coughs in mist form and it is unclear if the viral load was large enough to infect another individual."

The droplets from a sneeze or cough are heavy and fall quickly.

https://medium.com/six-four-six-nine...9-1b767def5894
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Is that a new concept, the magnetic card and credit?

“Last mile” is a metaphorical expression used in business to describe supply chains - it’s not the literal last mile, but the last step in a process.
We've had it for some years now in our town, it works very well.
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Found a little more information about the air analysis:

https://medium.com/six-four-six-nine...9-1b767def5894
So good. Thanks, Moondancing.
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Re: Covid-19: how are you responding?

Wonderful posts, people!

Monk, although your body is confined, your mind is just soaring. I found those fixed star reports to be so interesting. And the ones about people coming together, so hopeful. With quarantine and "shelter in place" rules proliferating, big-hearted people are showing that we can "come together" on-line, person-to-person, or simply in terms of taking steps to avoid spreading the virus.

Opal, you are a blessing to the people you are helping, and to the rest of us by example.

So far as taking out the trash goes, so much of what we throw away is caused by excess packaging, or the barriers to composting, re-using, and recycling. I hope this pandemic will teach us ways to more sustainability.

Chrysalis, it's nice to see you back. Don't be a stranger.

To all of you, thanks for your comments. Come back and share your experiences!

Saturn rules hardship and fear. Jupiter rules faith. Pluto rules more inevitable existential threats. Fortunately Saturn is moving off Jupiter and Pluto. And then Pluto has another side: the phoenix rising from the ashes.
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"So far as taking out the trash goes, so much of what we throw away is caused by excess packaging, or the barriers to composting, re-using, and recycling. I hope this pandemic will teach us ways to more sustainability."

It always amazes me when I return from shopping and have a mountain of plastic and styrofoam that's sometimes larger than the pile of what I purchased!!
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My country currently has 19 cases, the last I heard. To add to the litany of unemployment and job loss stories, tourism, hospitality, education and "non-essential" workers are all getting reamed. There is a mandate that there should be no public gatherings beyond the capacity of 20 people, this has resulted in various facilitates forcing customers to line up outside the doors waiting on their turn to do their business. Those in transportation are ordered to carry less passengers, once again affecting the bottom line at the end of the day.

I'm doing alright, although a lot of the plans I've had for the year are now dead in the water because of the economic landscape. As more cautious souls stay home, I eat up the overtime hours - one can always find opportunities even in the most dire of situations.

The saying "necessity is the mother of invention" seems to apply to the current times. The Uranus/Neptune conjunction in Capricorn in the 1990s brought us the world wide web and the general public's ability to use it. This time around with the Capricorn stellium activating that "sensitive point", there seems to be infrastructural measures being put in place in order for corporations and professions to continue operating through internet connectivity, technology, and telecommunications. My country is looking seriously to expand bandwidth and infrastructure in order to facilitate work at home solutions, and I'm aware of companies overseas who have already begun development along those lines.

I imagine that the gains and intelligence brought about by this crises won't just be discarded, and may be built upon in a situation that may even result in an "internet 3.0". This would be an apt event to coincide with the eventual Saturn/Jupiter conjunction occurring at the beginning of Aquarius. By dawr, we are also coming upon an airy period although I don't have the details at hand.
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I think it's quite a bizarre coincidence that they are utilizing 5G, at the same time as we are all more or less on house arrest and will now coincidentally be using more bandwidth to be able to communicate online.
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Re: Covid-19: how are you responding?

I live in CA near a grocery store I work in kept having a helicopter fly in circles around it for 2 days and nights, so I wasn't able to sleep so well like I should, and I still be able to work with more crowd control and social distancing of customers to make next work week a less busy one.

Lots of Americans panicked endlessly for 3 weeks, they blame the media for hype or Trump for subbing covid19 a Chinese hoax. This has to be the worst month in recent CA, US and world history, and I'm in indefinite social isolation except for work for 9 days to not get myself or anyone I come in contact with sick at all.

And 3 more things from Nostradamus' prophecy of what happened just now in March 2020: the plague (virus) comes in middle of night, it shall ruin the world and destroy our economy as we know it. Yes, it's a threat to all of our health, social order and finances , covid19 now affects 250,000 people in all continents since it started in Wuhan, China in possibly Dec 2019.
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