.....I will address the principle tenets, since they go to the heart of the matter explaining why Pluto does not matter.
Principle #1:
Traditional Astrology is based upon scientific ideas that were re-discovered in the late 19th Century, and throughout 20th Century.
Principle #2:
Traditional Astrology is based upon Planets hurling or casting Rays.
It is a matter of irrefutable Science fact -- discovered in the last 115 years that all objects generate some form of radiation, even if only Black-Body Radiation. That was discovered in 1899, and you can thank Planck.....and Boltzman and Wien.
While Black-Body Radiation is certainly very fascinating, and it is applicable in Traditional Astrology, what we're interested in the radiation generated by the Planets
Our Sun generates a wide variety of electromagnetic radiation, but the Moon and the 5 Planets do not.............
......A very disingenuous claim was made that 18th Century astronomers discovered Planets mathematically by attempting to factor in gravity to predict orbital patterns, and not by "ray-casting."
If 18th Century astronomers had Vacuum Tubes or Transistors or Microchips, they would not have needed to rely on gravity, since those modern inventions lend themselves to devices that can detect electromagnetic radiation.
Principle #3:
Traditional Astrology is based upon Planets casting Light.
Granted, only Sun generates Light, however the Moon and the 5 Planets reflect Light, plus other electromagnetic radiation from the Sun (and Fixed Stars).
Factors that affect the ability of Moon and the 5 Planets to reflect light are:
Size of magnetosphere
Surface Albedo
Surface Reflectivity
Atmospheric Reflectivity
Distance from Sun
Relationship by Physical Location with respect to Sun
Principle #4:
Aspects between Moon and the 5 Planets strengthen or weaken the intensity of electromagnetic generation
The basic principle in Traditional Astrology is that a trine is strong and positive; a sextile weak and positive; a square weak and negative; while an opposition is strong and negative.
"However, it was decided to investigate the effects of all the planets from Mercury to Saturn, instead of only the major planets [Jupiter and Saturn] as they had done. The same heliocentric angular relationships of 0, 90, 180, and 270 degrees were used and dates when any two or more planets were separated by one of these angles were recorded. Investigation quickly showed there was positive correlation between these planetary angles and transatlantic short-wave signal variations. Radio signals showed a tendency to become degraded within a day or two of planetary configurations of the type being studied. However, all configurations did not correspond to signal degradation. Certain configurations showed better correlation than others [60 degrees and 120 degrees]."
p.421 Nelson
"It is worthy of note that in 1949 when Jupiter and Saturn were spaced by 120 degrees, and solar activity was at a maximum, radio signals averaged of far higher quality for the year than in 1951 with Jupiter and Saturn at 180 degrees and a considerable decline in solar activity. In other words, the average quality curve of radio signals followed the cycle curve between Jupiter and Saturn rather than the sunspot curve."
p.424 Nelson
Okay, so it took 2,000+ years to figure out what people knew thousands of years ago....I guess modern Science deserves a pat on the back for their re-discovery, so they don't throw a temper tantrum and feel unloved.
Principle #5
Electromagnetic radiation affects People (all mammals).
gamma rays: cause cancer and mutations --- gammas were the driving force behind Evolution on Earth...as Natural Background Radiation (gammas and x-rays) has decreased, so too has the pace of Evolution
X-rays: damage to cells
Ultra-Violet (UV): damages surface cells (including skin cancer) and causes blindness
Visible Light: Our beautiful colors cause increased rates of premature skin aging and skin cancer
Infrared: skin burns
Microwaves: internal heating of body tissue, memory loss, cancer
Radio waves: harm body cells, prevalence of migraine, headache disorders, insomnia, frequent nose bleed, increase in white blood cells, tinnitus
Note how in particular, Radio Waves attack the Head/Brain.
When we say Radio Waves, we're talking about wave-lengths larger than microwaves, which are...
FM Radio --- includes portable phones, cell-phones, tablets, laptops et al
VHF Television
UHF Television
Short-Wave
AM Band --- and at the far end of the AM band is VLF (Very Low Frequency), ELF (Extremely Low Frequency) and ULF (Ultra-Low Frequency).
Okay, so putting it altogether, in Traditional Astrology, there are multiple sources generating electromagnetic radiation, including the Sun, Moon and 5 Planets, plus multiples sources reflecting electromagnetic radiation, and even fine-tuning that electromagnetic radiation through aspects like the sextile (60°), square (90°), trine (120°) and opposition (180°), and that affects Humans.
That's the science part.....
....Putting it all together....
The Traditional System is very simple: Celestial bodies which have sufficient mass to produce electromagnetic radiation, and also to reflect electromagnetic radiation from the Sun and from the other Planets to Earth and produce a noticeable affect proven by Science are used.
Celestial bodies that do not have sufficient mass to produce electromagnetic radiation, or to reflect electromagnetic radiation, or are sufficiently distant as to not interfere with electromagnetic radiation on Earth are ignored.
Telescopes are immaterial and irrelevant.
Telescopes do not cause Planets to produce electromagnetic radiation; telescopes do not cause Planets to reflect electromagnetic radiation; and finally, telescopes neither enhance nor degrade electromagnetic radiation.
Debunked.
Regarding the Transfer of Light (and Collection of Light): these are key concepts used in all charts in Traditional Astrology. In fact, I would even go as far as to suggest that what people think of as influence by the Outers are actually Transfers/Collections.
The number of threads on the Horary Forum on Collection/Transfer are too numerous too count.
Those concepts are critical to correct interpretation of Mundane and Mundane Event Charts (especially Forensic Charts).
Another Straw Man Fallacy introduced by when a poster suggested that Traditional Astrologers make use of a number factors that are not "visible to the naked eye."
The Argument: Pluto is not visible to the naked eye and that, plus several other factors prove Pluto has no affect on People.
The Deception: Traditionals use Bounds/Terms & Faces which are not visible to the naked eye; and therefore the Traditional view fails and they should accept Pluto.
The Reality: Traditionals claim that Bounds/Terms & Faces modify the Planet, but have no affect on People.
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The Deception: Traditionals use House Cusps which are not visible to the naked eye; and therefore the Traditional view fails and they should accept Pluto.
The Reality: Traditionals never claimed that House Cusps have power. House Cusps are an arbitrary system (at present) assisting in delineation by showing where certain Topical Matters spill over into other Topical Matters. Traditionals never claimed House Cusps affect affect People.
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The Deception: Traditionals use Arabian Parts which are not visible to the naked eye; and therefore the Traditional view fails and they should accept Pluto.
The Reality: Lots/Parts are mathematical calculations possibly originating from Lagrange Points. It is also possible that Lots/Parts are rooted in Planetary Ascendants. Traditionals have never claimed that Lots/Parts affect on People. The Lots/Parts only provide additional information on a Topic.
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The Deception: Traditionals use the Moon's Nodes, which are not visible to the naked eye; and therefore the Traditional view fails and they should accept Pluto.
The Reality: The Head (North Node) and Tail (South Node) modify a Planet's condition, but they do not modify People.
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The Deception: Traditionals use Signs, which are not visible to the naked eye; and therefore the Traditional view fails and they should accept Pluto.
The Reality: Signs modify a Planet's condition, but they do not modify People.
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The Deception: Traditionals use Degree Points such as Azieme (for disease), Pitted, Fortunate, Eminent, Empty, Dark, Shadowy and Bright, none of which are visible to the naked eye; and therefore the Traditional view fails and they should accept Pluto.
The Reality: Degree Points modify a Planet's condition, but they do not modify People.
I hope we're clear on that now.
Another deceitful argument is the use of Fixed Stars.
Fixed Stars modify a Planet or Chart Point, but do not affect People. As it stands, the output of electromagnetic radiation in all forms from Algol, whether it be x-rays, gammas, ultra-violet, the color spectrum, infrared, microwave, radar, short-wave or long-wave is 10 times that of the Sun.
Do all Fixed Stars modify Planets? No, and there is no doubt some astrologers of both persuasions go way overboard with Fixed Star Stupidity.
An absurd suggestion was made that Traditionalists reject Pluto and other Bodies, because they do not figure into a Rulership Scheme.
Signs and Triplicities modify a Planet...but not People.
How a Planet functions depends on whether the Planet is Exalted, Domiciled, in-Sect Triplicity, Peregrine, in Detriment or in Fall. Those conditions are determined by Signs.
It is illogical and incredibly unscientific to claim that some Celestial Bodies are modified by Signs, and some are not.....
This points out the main flaw in Modern Astrology.
Moderns arbitrarily choose to accept or reject the use of other Planetary Bodies without any basis in fact, logic, reason or science.
Traditionalists do not arbitrarily reject the use of other Celestial Bodies, instead, Traditionalists universally apply science, logic and reason, based on whether a Celestial Body has the mass to generate electromagnetic radiation, and the ability to reflect light, and that it affects Earth and the People who inhabit Earth.....
....There is a Cause-and-Effect Relationship. The Cause is Electromagnetic Radiation, the Effect is how it interferes, relates, intones, conditions, or otherwise affects the Human Brain. Due to similarities in brain structure, it could affect all mammals, or at least those mammals that are "higher order" (whales, dolphins, porpoises, sea cows, sea lions, dogs, cats, horses etc).
Science can barely explain how the brain works, much less determine external or extrinsic factors that might affect the brain.
In spite of the fact that the Traditional View has been fully explained, ad infinitum ad nauseum, it is put forth by some that our view of the Solar System is outmoded....it is not.
We acknowledge the existence of the Outer Planets (and Asteroids and such), because they exist.
However, based on the aforementioned scientific evidence, there is no proof they impact People.
The burden of proof is on you to demonstrate that Pluto has a real affect on People. You have yet to present any evidence.
Maybe when you all agree on what Pluto actually means, and can consistently delineated Pluto in charts, then perhaps we'll have a basis to discuss the matter.
We are past the point of talking.
Talk is cheap. Where's the proof?
We know how the Traditional Planets act in certain Signs, and because we do, it allows us to make both judgments and predictions.
No one has been able to demonstrate how any of the Asteroids, Planetoids, Centaurs or Outer Planets consistently act in any charts of any kind.
Remember that the sole reason Astrology exists is to predict the Fate of Kings and Kingdoms. That fact that it may also be used to determine the fate of businesses, relationships, things and people does not alter the reality that Astrology was created to predict....Future Events.
If you want to predict Weekly Unemployment Claims for the United States, or to predict the Monthly Employment Situation, all you need is Moon, Mercury, Venus, Sun, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, and the Lunar Ascendant (the Lot of Fortune).
Try to use Asteroids, Uranus, Neptun or Pluto and you'll fail...sure...you'll get lucky every once in a Blue Moon, because even a broken clock tells the correct time twice each day.
So...a little less talk....show, don't tell.
Very glad to see your triumphs with age, and I think you're on to something with combusted planets getting better with time, or maybe we just do! If you learn from the situations combustion can land you in of course, and are willing to adapt. The idealist in me likes to think most people do.
. I like this thread unfortunately, it was moved to traditional forum. 
So I had to speak very carefully.
