how the right misunderstands everyone else

david starling

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Please stop the LIES. I've already informed you that the speaker who was cancelled by CPAC tweeted hateful & vile comments against Jews.
He's an anti-semite.

CPAC CANCELS Young Pharaoh after AWFUL remarks about Jewish people;

Those were his Tweets, not what he was going to say at the Convention.

If an avowed Marxist who tweeted his about his Marxist views, and ranted about them on YouTube, was invited to speak at a Liberal event on a different topic entirely, what would Conservatives have to say about it?
 

blackbery

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Unlike the woke Dems, Republicans have a moral compass & don't allow anti-semites to speak at THEIR conference.

Maybe you're cool with hate, maybe you're okay if Hitler were alive & gave a speech at the Dem Convention because he promised to not talk about the extermination of the Jews but about how wonderful the world is.

That's who YOU are. Republicans have standards & ethics & morals.



Those were his Tweets, not what he was going to say at the Convention.
 

Oddity

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Those were his Tweets, not what he was going to say at the Convention.

If an avowed Marxist who tweeted his about his Marxist views, and ranted about them on YouTube, was invited to speak at a Liberal event on a different topic entirely, what would Conservatives have to say about it?


Par for the course, sadly. Have you heard Ilhan Omar and Rashida Tlaib talk about Jews and Israel?



Remember that whole womens' march thing where Jewish women were excluded because...racist oppressors?
 

blackbery

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Yep, anti-semitism alive & strong in the Democrat Party.

As well as hatred for women.

What a disgrace they've become. Poor JFK must be rolling in his grave at what an abomination they've become.
 

david starling

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Par for the course, sadly. Have you heard Ilhan Omar and Rashida Tlaib talk about Jews and Israel?



Remember that whole womens' march thing where Jewish women were excluded because...racist oppressors?

Israel is definitely a Hot Topic subject! Is the "Two-State Solution" popular among Conservatives ?
 

Oddity

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Not among this conservative.



Let's put it this way. Israel is not the problem. Israel has never been the problem.



And while Hamas did amend its charter to a more 'family friendly' version of the utter destruction of Israel being the only solution, both Hamas and the Palestinian Authority won't stop until Israel is driven into the sea. And all the Jews with it.


Which kinda makes a two-state solution impossible.


Charter: https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/hamas-covenant-full-text


Summary of Charter: https://embassies.gov.il/UnGeneva/N...er---A-Covenant-for-Israel's-Destruction.aspx
 
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david starling

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Not among this conservative.



Let's put it this way. Israel is not the problem. Israel has never been the problem.



And while Hamas did amend its charter to a more 'family friendly' version of the utter destruction of Israel being the only solution, both Hamas and the Palestinian Authority won't stop until Israel is driven into the sea. And all the Jews with it.


Which kinda makes a two-state solution impossible.


Charter: https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/hamas-covenant-full-text


Summary of Charter: https://embassies.gov.il/UnGeneva/N...er---A-Covenant-for-Israel's-Destruction.aspx

So, Hamas is the problem. There needs to be more publicity about it.

If Hamas was cancelled by world, including U.S. opinion, would Conservatives be okay with a 2 State solution?
 

Oddity

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Up until 1967, Palestinians were called Jordanians and Egyptians. That's where they were from.



After the seven days' war, Jordan and Egypt closed their borders to the Palestinians - they didn't want them back. Too crazy violent. No longer their problem.



I'm not sure how you cancel a terrorist group like Hamas. It'd kinda be like cancelling ISIS. Which I guess more or less has happened except for a few remnants.



Was that a peaceful solution, David?


Meanwhile, the UN still supplies hate propaganda against Israel to be taught to Palestinian children...


Let's just say....it's complicated.
 

Oddity

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David - You could call Trump's Middle East peace deals a form of cancel culture, I suppose. Except nicer.



Israel doesn't cause problems. And they are doing some amazing work in business start ups and tech. So wouldn't it be nice if other countries in the region who also have money and oil and tech and business sectors of their own make deals with Israel and each other? And hey - when you trade with someone you're far less likely to kill them, no? Everybody wins.


And should it really take off, maybe the regular Palestinians would want in - enough to overthrow the PA and Hamas. Maybe? They want a better life for their kids, too.


It wouldn't happen overnight, but it could happen.



Biden's already started to undo all that, and he's pushing to restart the nuclear deal with Iran. If you don't know, Iran and Turkey are the biggest threats to the Middle East.



So it goes.
 

leomoon

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Israel is definitely a Hot Topic subject! Is the "Two-State Solution" popular among Conservatives ?


It certainly is for me..but I can't speak for others of course.


As for Ilhan Omar & AOC? I love the idea of progressive young people in the Senate or Congress. They know the history well - probably moreso then you or I and likely since birth with less biases then we all have as older folks.
The more younger to change the status quo, the better as the old stodgy yesteryears people must go eventually. People like Sen. Feinstein (D-Calif) both Pelosi, Sen.Chuck Grassley (Iowa R)


Feinstein keep dropping the ball lately I noticed when she asked questions of the FBI chief. She's not tops in her game any longer, but then again, I'm ALL FOR long overdue "Term Limits" which use to be a popular subject until the money and bribes from lobbyists became the norm in both of the Houses.



That is why I like the fresh & new faces.


Since I only have Uranus in the 11th exalted in an air sign, air house cj. NN and it pulls the weight of my entire chart - I'm a definite Uranian. So is AOC from what I can tell of her. She lost her mom & dad when young, you know. Essentially, she's her own person, her own guide in life. I'd hate to see her resign as she talked about doing a few months ago. That would definitely sadden me as I actually see hope with her kind. The problem is with younger people, we sometimes speak too clearly about our hearts and what we see and upset the status quo because of not having this inner brake.


As for Israel and Omar/AOC? Well, they are young and when we are young we usually are full of higher ideals, and I think they are too. Moreso AOC I think. I truly like her a lot :love: and what she stands for (mostly from what I've heard of her when she herself does the talking)


That doesn't mean I'd agree all the time with them. But its a beginning. Thats why Bernie Sanders likes working with them and vice versa.


Sen. Sanders also is for a 2 State Solution and probably going back to the 47=48 drawing board and what was originally agreed to on the signed dotted line. But its too late as we know now., they've broken every "treaty" with the Palestinians.



Too bad Arafat did his "Swiss cheese map" and blew that deal. But of course, that's only "in retrospect" of the decades since.



None came back since that was meaningful. Most people here are probably too young to recall Camp David with Jimmy Carter , but this link brings back exactly as it was at least (fast forward) in 1995:



https://scholarship.richmond.edu/cg...article=1350&context=law-faculty-publications

In September 1995,after months of tense negotiations over what would be Israel’s first significant withdrawal from the West Bank, the Israeli delegation to the Oslo II peace talks unveiled before their Palestinian counterparts the now infamous “Swiss cheese” map. The map was introduced just 24 hours before the agreement was to be signed. When Yasir Arafat saw it, he stormed out of the negotiating room. Uri Savir, Israel’s chief negotiator at the talks,recalls the Palestinian leader’s reaction: Arafat glared at [the map] in silence, then sprang out of his chair and declared it to be an insufferable humiliation. “These are cantons! You want me to accept cantons! You want to destroy me!

What he meant of course, is his people would not trust him any longer and hence, "be destroyed" because of it.





Excellent article and images of the way it was and could have been....
 
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leomoon

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David:


Did you notice the importance of Chiron is in Israel's natal chart's 1st house? At 21 Scorpio (as I have my Jupiter in this degree in this sign and can attest to what I've noticed and found for everyone I've studied over years) - Its called "A definite loss degree.


They will NEVER get over (and everyone alive today would say some things we NEVER will get over) and Chiron 21Scorpio shows this as the imprint in their 1st house.



Chiron also opposes the 7th of "known/open enemies house" where they have their Sun at 29Taurus (Alcoyne)



This keeps the nation's hands tied, imo via this inner wounding, that cannot let go. Not even of land they agreed would not be taken from their now enemy. :crying: Very sad situation all around.



Bibi N. has the warrior anti-Ares or "Antares" rising with Chiron in his 12th near the ASC.



It is written.
 

IleneK

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David:


Did you notice the importance of Chiron is in Israel's natal chart's 1st house? At 21 Scorpio (as I have my Jupiter in this degree in this sign and can attest to what I've noticed and found for everyone I've studied over years) - Its called "A definite loss degree.


They will NEVER get over (and everyone alive today would say some things we NEVER will get over) and Chiron 21Scorpio shows this as the imprint in their 1st house.



Chiron also opposes the 7th of "known/open enemies house" where they have their Sun at 29Taurus (Alcoyne)



This keeps the nation's hands tied, imo via this inner wounding, that cannot let go. Not even of land they agreed would not be taken from their now enemy. :crying: Very sad situation all around.



Bibi N. has the warrior anti-Ares or "Antares" rising with Chiron in his 12th near the ASC.



It is written.


Your comments about the meaning of 21 Scorp is very interesting. I, too, have a placement there which squares my Leo Moon.

I wonder if you might cite your source so that I could read more about it?
Thanks.
 

leomoon

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Your comments about the meaning of 21 Scorp is very interesting. I, too, have a placement there which squares my Leo Moon.

I wonder if you might cite your source so that I could read more about it?
Thanks.




Sent to you personally, via PM - Thanks for asking - I don't want to clog up Waybread's thread. :whistling:
 

waybread

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Not sure if you realize it but Marxism is NOT popular in the U.S. MAYBE around 5% of the population. Most people are centrist right or centrist left.

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Good show, Blackbery! :cool: So you now state that most Americans are centrists, whether leaning left or right? It's great that we agree on this.:love:

But " how the right misunderstands everyone else" is in statements like President Biden being a Marxist. He's a centrist, as well. That's how he got elected.

Note that Biden did not court the progressive and democratic socialist wings of his own party. (I. e., the Buttigieg, Warren, and Sanders Democrats.) By staying centrist, he was able to attract more independents and Republicans who could not bring themselves to vote for Trump.

Marxism would be to the left of even Bernie Sanders.
 

waybread

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Why ‘Regret Voting for Biden’ Trends on Google

President Joe Biden wasn’t even in office for a week when social media exploded with many of his supporters, especially union workers, expressing their dismay over his executive orders and policy announcements.

Their buyers’ remorse helped lead to millions of Google search results in the keywords, “regret voting for Biden.”

The mainstream media questioned his actions. For example, here’s a headline from the Associated Press: Biden faces scrutiny over reliance on executive orders.

And even left-leaning publications rebuked him, such as in Opinion | Ease Up on the Executive Actions, Joe – The New York Times.

https://bizcoachinfo.com/archives/61351

Actually, Blackbery, Biden has been in office for such a short time that there is not much factual track record on his popularity to go by.

The Gallup Poll tracks presidential popularity and has some early data, showing Biden's approval rating consistent at around 56-57% for his term in office so far. In contrast, Trump never obtained more than a 50% approval rating during his entire term in office.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/203198/presidential-approval-ratings-donald-trump.aspx

https://news.gallup.com/poll/329384/presidential-approval-ratings-joe-biden.aspx
 
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