Who will win the US Presidential Elections in 2008?

jenluvsblackcat

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Is there anyone following the current astrological climate and the way things are going on between the candidates lately?

I just feel uneasy. Yup.
 

BobZemco

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jenluvsblackcat said:
Is there anyone following the current astrological climate and the way things are going on between the candidates lately?

I just feel uneasy. Yup.

I don't see where that's relevant. For an election that is particularly close, you have to employ numerous tools (like progressions, directions, transits, solar and lunar returns) and incorporate them to get an accurate reading.

It's very easy for astrologers to make mistakes if they fail to understand and appreciate the total picture. For example, people don't understand that should Obama lose the election, he will still be a US Senator, and will still be very prominent in government, and in the media as well, because it's a certainty that the media will run to Obama to second-guess everything that McCain might do, even more so because of the expectation that Obama would run again in 2012, which is something his transits, progressed and directed chart would also support (and to have a sort of "shadow cabinet" like European parliamentary governments have wouldn't be a bad thing at all).

There are many considerations, and it is not easy to assess the total picture, but I don't see where the current "astrological climate" has a bearing. The answer lies in the candidate's charts, you just have to find it.
 

lawhite

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Hey, guys, instead of just arguing your opinions of who is best, why not tell us reasons why whoever wins will? We all have our opinions about the candidates, strong ones usually, but there are other forums to argue their merits. Who is going to win and why do you think so?
Another question I have: If Obama was really born in Kenya, same time and day, how would that affect your predictions?
 

BobZemco

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lawhite said:
Hey, guys, instead of just arguing your opinions of who is best, why not tell us reasons why whoever wins will? We all have our opinions about the candidates, strong ones usually, but there are other forums to argue their merits. Who is going to win and why do you think so?
Another question I have: If Obama was really born in Kenya, same time and day, how would that affect your predictions?
Obama would either not be a US citizen or not be a natural born citizen. Either way he would not be eligible to be president. I find it odd that in February, long before this issue surfaced, some of the foremost astrologers were suggesting that the person elected would not be the person sworn in as president.

As I understood it, your question, "Was Obama Born in Kenya?" is shown in the attached chart.

The first thing that struck me was the Aquarius Ascendant. Aquarius is Kenya.

The next thing was Saturn in the 7th, a stricture in judgment. I don't believe it renders the chart unreadable, just that the astrologers will have a difficult time reading it without allowing personal biases to interfere.

You would normally be the Ascendant Ruler, but you have no relationship with Obama, so he would be the Ascendant Ruler in the 7th. I'm not really sure which houses to use.

Anyway the orbs are 8°30' and 8° (applying/separating) for luminaries (so no planets are Combust) and 7° and 5° (applying/separating) for the other planets just so people know when looking at the aspectarian.
 

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Theo

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BobZemco said:
I don't see where that's relevant. For an election that is particularly close, you have to employ numerous tools (like progressions, directions, transits, solar and lunar returns) and incorporate them to get an accurate reading.

It's very easy for astrologers to make mistakes if they fail to understand and appreciate the transit picture. For example, people don't understand that should Obama lose the election, he will still be a US Senator, and will still be very prominent in government, and in the media as well, because it's a certainty that the media will run to Obama to second-guess everything that McCain might do, even more so because of the expectation that Obama would run again in 2012, which is something his transits, progressed and directed chart would also support (and to have a sort of "shadow cabinet" like European parliamentary governments have wouldn't be a bad thing at all).

There are many considerations, and it is not easy to assess the total picture, but I don't see where the current "astrological climate" has a bearing. The answer lies in the candidate's charts, you just have to find it.


The "astrological climate" does have a bearing Bob. It always does. Transits are merely a way of saying Time ~ without the revolution of the Sun, and planets there would be no time. Right now, the "transits" are in motion, like the weather, and time itself ~ so it ALWAYS has bearing. It has been this way since the Creation of the world.

Looking at transits, it's very easy to assess the overall General Election picture if one studies global transits leading up to, and on election day. From my analysis of both candidates' charts, it is clear that Barack Obama will be elected the nation's next American president. According to my reading of transits, it will be a landslide win, and over earlier than expected.

The real story is not the election ~ but the world economy. After the election, many challenges are ahead for the global community, and many changes that should have taken place in last eight years since the last Jupiter/Saturn conjunction in spring 2000.

We are entering a historic time that eclipses just American's electing an African-American president, which many see as long overdue, and well-deserved, considering the slavery, blood, sweat and tears Africans have given to the North American continent, and the United States before and after its inception as a republic.

The focus only on "race" by some is simply a "cover" for their own racial projection onto Obama, simply due to the color of his skin. Those who make these distinctions and fail to acknowledge them in their comments are false people, whose "insights" are not only highly dubious, but should not be believed.

There are those who do have real concerns about the intentions of both candidates, and this I find valid, as it eclipses the mere points of culture, race, and gender, which is meaningless when it comes to what is in the heart of the candidates and their running mates. No one can see this, although their personal transits give us deeper insight into their celestial motivations, in the end, it is the free will of the individuals that will matter, and in this light, all of us are judged accordingly.

What is in the deepest hearts of Barack Obama, Joe Biden, John McCain and Sarah Palin is only known to them alone and to God. We can only have faith that they all will be true to their destinies and use their free will by the power of the offices granted to them to exercise excellent judgments, and to have great compassion, care, love, and intelligence as the exercise their respective officers of power in a Democracy.

THE CANDIDATES' MAIN TRANSITS
Obama's birth certificate is accurate. Let's get past that misnomer, and just deal with transits. There's been too much rumor-spreading by the ignorant on this (and other areas of color, culture, religion, etc.) based on racism, and favoritism that frankly poison's any objective perspective, even among some astrologers and novices. So, I will not highlight that in this post, since we all know the ulterior motives of the ignorant, which is, frankly, to sound and be stupid.

I've already noted the transits before and during the election and the aspects of Barack Obama and John McCain's own charts, which clearly favors Obama in the November 4th General Election.

*BARACK OBAMA*
Obama is having a Jupiter Return, which arrives every 11-12 years. This, his fourth Jupiter Return arrives as he is in his 47th year. Transiting Jupiter "rises up" and expands during its natal return for the individual. Jupiter's influence is strong since it's stationary direct motion in early September 2008, and has "expanded" Obama's campaign with record voter registration numbers swelling into many millions of new voters fro a new generation seeking change (Jupiter, Uranus) from the old (Saturn/Pluto) and this is what is happening to Obama's campaign as transiting Jupiter in Capricorn is already within orb of Obama's natal Jupiter/Saturn conjunction.

Transiting Saturn in Virgo is also within orb of Obama's natal Saturn in Capricorn, and his natal/progressed Jupiter. His natal Saturn is in a strong earth trine to his natal Mars in Virgo, and this is a very stabilizing influence during this election season. Saturn's conjunction to Obama's natal Mars brings about the ability to "stay the course" while keeping one's feet on the ground with practical solutions designed to not allow his Neptune position to overcome him. Obama has lofty and visionary ideals for American society which reflect the theme of "change" that is also reflected in the world transits. The rejection of this by those opposing Obama, and his ideals are seen in the "projection" and "demonizing" Obama because he does not look like a Caucasian man, although his mother was Caucasian and his father African, those people who only see a person through the lens of "color" have pitted themselves as part and parcel of the old order, which defined a person solely on race without seeing that people are much deeper than what is shown on the surface. This general election is forcing racists, and those who deny being racists, to come to terms with their own race ~ especially Caucasians, who attempt to escape being seen as "white" thus, ensuring that whenever they see someone who is not, they "project" onto people of color that which they see as uncommon, since being racist assumes that one's own "color" is superior, because it is common to them, and those who share the same color.

Those Caucasians that have transcended this are the ones seeking "change" and they will get it in this election. This reflects the new order to come, those who seek to get beyond the 20th century's hate of the "other" as the wars of that century were based on demonizing those who "looked" different, but who only are a part of the human family, not matter the tones of their skins or the languages they spoke. These are the new generations rising: Generation X as the leadership, and Generation Y as the next generation in line to rise to leadership in the mid-to late 2020s.

Obama's secondary progressions tell the real story. A look at his progressions for 2008, 2009, 2010, etc., show that this man is indeed the new American president. Secondary progressions are very telling, and they show that Barack Obama will become the nation's first African-American president, resulting in a historic change for the United States, and the world in the years to come. His Jupiter/Saturn synod rising in his natal chart indicates that the influence of Obama on American politics will be long-lasting, well into the 2010s, and 2020s.

Obama's natal Moon in Gemini is now receiving strong air trines from his natal/progressed Jupiter, and on election day, the transiting Moon will be entering Aquarius, not only trining Obama's Lunar position, but the transiting Moon will have conjoined his natal Jupiter/Saturn synod.

All these factors, plus a few more I've left out in this post clearly show that Obama will win the White House and become the next President of the United States of America.

*JOHN McCAIN*
McCain has a strong chart, which has shown great challenges over his lifetime that he has struggled to overcome, especially emotionally. This is result of McCain's Moon/Pluto opposition, and his mutable grand cross. McCain's main problem is this grand cross, and the many unfavorable aspects in his own transits that do not jive with global transits of October, and November 2008. We have already seen this reflected in McCain's poor campaign performances since mid-September.

Moreover, the transits of his party show a fractured party split into what appears to be at least four groups: the Far Right, strict conservative Republicans, moderate conservatives, liberal Republicans, and the religious right. McCain has lost Independents, and relies mainly on the "undecided vote" and those who will not vote for anyone except a Caucasian man.

The drop in the polls is a result of the world transits and their influences on the economic crisis that peaked in mid-September. This was a result of several transits of note: Saturn/Uranus, Mercury's station retrograde in Libra; Jupiter's direct station in September and Pluto's direct motion station also in September.

Pluto's motion had its effect on McCain's natal Mercury at 2-Libra, and his North Lunar Node at 1-Capricorn. The transit of Pluto in the last degrees of Sagittarius lies between McCain's cardinal quality Mercury/North Node square w/ Pluto heightening the tensions.

The retrograde of transiting Mercury in late September into October has cause havoc in McCain's campaign, which lead to the massive economic Wall Street "bailout" fiasco which backfired on McCain, resulting in a deep drop in his poll numbers.

He has yet to recover, and will not because of Mercury's coming transit in the latter degrees of tropical Libra (decisions, balance.) When transiting Mercury does pick up speed in the last week of October, and the first four (4) days of November, Mercury will strongly square McCain's natal Moon and his natal Pluto in Cancer.

*ELECTION DAY*
The month of November is very active ~

Nov. 2 - Neptune stations direct at 21-Aquarius
Nov. 4 - Saturn in Virgo opposes Uranus in Pisces, exact conjunction
Nov. 9 - Moon heads north in declination
Nov. 13 - Jupiter in Capricorn sextiles Uranus in Pisces, exact
Nov. 21 - Moon heads south in declination
Nov. 21 - Jupiter in Capricorn trines Saturn in Virgo, exact
Nov. 27 - Uranus stations direct at 21-Pisces
Nov. 27 - Pluto enters Capricorn
Nov. 28 - Jupiter semi-sextile Neptune, exact

The Dragon's Head at 15/14/13-degrees Aquarius in conjunction with Chiron in Aquarius with Neptune nearby is Television media, and their pundits. Aquarius is the sign of television and radio (communications) and there is intense focus (Chiron) on this particular election.

Chiron's station to direct motion close to the North Lunar Node in Aquarius reflects a "hyper-activeness" "nervousness" and "excitement" from the anchors/reporters, commentators and pundits, who, despite their so-called "objectivity" will be seen getting very "excited" on air ~ look for this in their mannerisms, the way they express themselves, and the arguments they attempt to foster among their political guests in the remaining week before the general election.

The closer to the day of the election, the more "excited" the media will become at the prospect of an African-American becoming the new American president.

Prior to Election Day on November 4th, there is the New Moon of October 28, at 5-Scorpio. Transiting Mercury, which stationed direct on October 15, will have picked up speed and will reach the degree of its Sept. 24 retrograde at 22-Libra on October 31. The expectations of the country increases with the new moon as Mercury passes it stationed point at 22-Libra ~ as decision time arrives just days before the election.

The month of November is generally the last month of a very difficult two years for most people. The first half of the month is tense, as people feel the influences of the first exact Saturn-Uranus opposition on Nov. 4 on the feeling/expression Pisces-Virgo axis.

The first week of November 2008 is very positive for the Moon's last aspects from Nov. 2-7, however, the aspects from the transiting Moon are to Mars and Pluto, which features some news of bad actions by bad people intent on starting mischief and trouble they will only pay for greatly later. The entry of Pluto into tropical Capricorn at the end of November is a great relief as Pluto leaves Sagittarius for good, and begins its long transit in Capricorn until November 2024.

December 2008 is radically different from the prior months... relief, ease, as people in this post-election environment are weary, but happy to have the election over.

Election Day, November 4th is a cold and chilly day for much of the country after several prior days of brilliant sunny, but windy weather from October 31 to November 2nd, which features the direct station of transiting Neptune at 21-Aquarius, featuring cold, foggy mornings, and cooler temperatures throughout parts of the country. Despite the cold weather, voters turn out in huge numbers on November 4th. The election is a landslide victory for Obama & Biden, and many Democrats. There are surprising upsets that really shake the political parties, and reflect the country's outrage at the economic crisis, and lack of regulation and accountability. This election will also be about a mandate for "change" and the American people are very angry at the party in power.

After Election Day, a celebration of sorts sweeps through the country, and a relief that the election is over continues, however, the month continues to feature news around the country of troublemakers angry that their "side" lost will hit the airwaves.

Because of the Taurus Full Moon Week of Nov. 12-19, those who have been "hyped-up" because of Obama's race will "act out" on people of color, who will resent this and will defend themselves. The Moon's aspects to These news events will reflect the continuing racism of the old century, which is now being highlighted around the world, at their detriment, and will show just how ugly and ignorant some people can be. Many of these mischief-makers will make some very bad decisions with ramifications for the rest of their lives they will end up regretting dearly, for it wasn't worth it.

The Last Quarter Moon of Nov. 19-27 sees things calm down considerably as the waning Moon in Leo sees Americans taking time off for the Thanksgiving Holidays, which features a New Moon at 5-Sagittarius on November 27, Thanksgiving Day. People reflect, are spiritual and look forward to the new American administration ahead.

December 2008 has more of a "relaxed" feel to it with the American government fully in transition, as the old is replaced by the new. The stresses of the last two years end with Pluto's entry into tropical Capricorn on Thanksgiving Day, November 27. The last aspects of the Moon to and from Pluto ceases with Pluto leaving tropical Sagittarius. This provides a great load lifted off the shoulders of people worldwide, and people begin to pick up the pieces of their lives ahead of more changes to come in late March 2009 as Venus changes from evening to morning star.

The changes from November's election, and of the years ahead fill people's imaginations with excitement as the Sun, Mercury and Mars transit Sagittarius in November & December, and as the Moon begins a new series of transits through the mutable signs of the zodiac indicating a speedy transition of government between the old administration and the incoming new administration.

December 2008 ends with Saturn stationing retrograde at 21-Virgo on December 31, and with Jupiter making its last transit of tropical Capricorn before making ingress into tropical Aquarius on January 5, 2009. Two weeks before the new president is inaugurated, the people of the world can feel "change" literally in the "air" ~ as this reflects the influence and entry of Jupiter into the 11th House Air Sign of Aquarius. For this time, it does feel like change, as we all begin to sense that indeed, a new has begun, as we are soon to see the dawn of the coming decade of the 2010s.
 

emilyelizabeth

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Good People,

The time is wrong here for Barack Obama's natal info. I have been given August 4, 1961, 1:06 pm AHST, Honolulu, HI (by a student of Robert Hand). That puts his Sun in the 10th house - the placement of a great orator, for a start. Please refigure your horary questions according to the correct birth info.

Thanks!
 

BobZemco

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emilyelizabeth said:
Good People,

The time is wrong here for Barack Obama's natal info. I have been given August 4, 1961, 1:06 pm AHST, Honolulu, HI (by a student of Robert Hand). That puts his Sun in the 10th house - the placement of a great orator, for a start. Please refigure your horary questions according to the correct birth info.

Thanks!

His "birth certificate" says 7:24 pm. I saw something back from about July or so that said 7:34 pm.

I was using the 1:06 pm birth time for a while, which I think I got from astrodatabank's site.
 

lalalaheidi87

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Bob Zemco is right - Obama 7:24pm Honolulu Hi, and Mccain is 6:25pm Colon, Panama (where did the other times come from:confused:... someone was talking about obama's leo rising, its actually aquarius) It is really strange to me, they were both born outside of the main part of the USA around sunset -sun conjunct or near descendant as well as quite heavy 7th houses. It is strange that they are running at the same time and against each other. Also from a numerological perspective, they are both quite similar with 2s and 9s.
Now I have to put my personal opinion in here I do not trust Obama. I believe he is the first pig in Animal Farm and I do not support big governemnt in general, creation of 5 million government jobs paid for by the rest of america, socialism, removal or right to bear arms, etc. Also, he sounds the exact the same when he is joking and when he is telling the truth, that to me is scary for a president, how can you tell if he is lying. There is such thing as being TOO smooth.. I believe he has hypnotized the country (and this is really bad..)​
Personal opinions aside, both of them being born at sunset (sun on descendant) with heavy 7th houses (doesnt the 7th house represent marraige... could this be marraige to counrty?) Another person who has this type of chart is Hitler. (Apr 20 1889, 6:30pm Braunau am Inn, Austria) ..Random but interesting.
 
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skywatcher1221

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lalalaheidi87 said:
Bob Zemco is right - Obama 7:24pm Honolulu Hi, and Mccain is 6:25pm Colon, Panama (where did the other times come from:confused:... someone was talking about obama's leo rising, its actually aquarius) It is really strange to me, they were both born outside of the main part of the USA around sunset -sun conjunct or near descendant as well as quite heavy 7th houses. It is strange that they are running at the same time and against each other. Also from a numerological perspective, they are both quite similar with 2s and 9s.
Now I have to put my personal opinion in here I do not trust Obama. I believe he is the first pig in Animal Farm and I do not support big governemnt in general, creation of 5 million government jobs paid for by the rest of america, socialism, removal or right to bear arms, etc. Also, he sounds the exact the same when he is joking and when he is telling the truth, that to me is scary for a president, how can you tell if he is lying. There is such thing as being TOO smooth.. I believe he has hypnotized the country (and this is really bad..)​
Personal opinions aside, both of them being born at sunset (sun on descendant) with heavy 7th houses (doesnt the 7th house represent marraige... could this be marraige to counrty?) Another person who has this type of chart is Hitler. (Apr 20 1889, 6:30pm Braunau am Inn, Austria) ..Random but interesting.
Interesting indeed! Like Obama and McCain who were born outside the contiguous United States, Hitler was born outside of Germany; he was Austrian by birth. There, however, the comparisons end (or at least they should). I think those well populated 7th Houses indicate a life that is heavily involved with others as well as a "talent" for making enemies.

BTW some "great" (i.e., notorious) dictators were born outside the countries they eventually ruled -- Hitler was Austrian, Stalin was Georgian and Napoleon was Corsican.
 

starlink

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In yesterdays Swiss Newspapers I read the following (will freely translate from German):

"Obama is a real American"
US Federal Judge rejects claim (of the contrary).

By the way, I also heard that a conspiracy to kill Obama (BBC World)was discovered.
Hope this is not going to be one of many......
 

BobZemco

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skywatcher1221 said:
I think those well populated 7th Houses indicate a life that is heavily involved with others as well as a "talent" for making enemies.

Not just that, but at least in Obama's case he has 8 planets in the west and his life is inextricably intertwined with the lives of others. Like the election, he can only do so much to be president, and now he is totally reliant on others to put him in that position.

skywatcher1221 said:
Napoleon was Corsican.

His mother was Corsican, but I believe he was actually born on Elba, still, he wasn't exactly French.
 

BobZemco

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starlink said:
In yesterdays Swiss Newspapers I read the following (will freely translate from German):

"Obama is a real American"
US Federal Judge rejects claim (of the contrary).

The judge rejected the claim because Berg had no legal standing to sue.

As a point of fact, Berg submitted a Request for Admissions to Obama and the DNC which had to be answered within 30 days. Pursuant to the federal rules of civil procedure, a failure to answer the questions, deny the questions or raise objections to the questions within 30 days is an automatic admission as to the truth. Since neither Obama nor the DNC denied that he was born in Kenya or objected to the question or responded, it would seem he was born in Kenya.

Anyway, four other law suits are still pending and Berg will probably appeal the ruling or file a Writ of Mandamus to force the appropriate government agency, perhaps the Federal Elections Commission to perform their duties.

starlink said:
IBy the way, I also heard that a conspiracy to kill Obama (BBC World)was discovered.
Hope this is not going to be one of many......

It was a couple of high school kids.
 

Awakened_Pisces

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They were in their upper twentys and it went far beyond Obama. These sick bastards were planning to murder hundreds of children. All because of their DNA. They're the ones who deserve to be executed. Imagine we let these sick bastards back into society.
 

skywatcher1221

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BobZemco said:
Not just that, but at least in Obama's case he has 8 planets in the west and his life is inextricably intertwined with the lives of others. Like the election, he can only do so much to be president, and now he is totally reliant on others to put him in that position.



His mother was Corsican, but I believe he was actually born on Elba, still, he wasn't exactly French.

I think Elba was the place of his first exile. I checked his origins on Wikipedia. It turns out he was an ethnic Italian. Here is the Wikipedia entry:

"Napoleon was born in the town of Ajaccio, Corsica, on 15 August 1769, one year after the island was transferred to France by the Republic of Genoa. He was named Napoleone di Buonaparte (in Corsican, Nabolione or Nabulione), though he later adopted the more French-sounding Napoléon Bonaparte. His heritage earned him popularity among the local populace during his Italian military campaigns. The Corsican Buonapartes originated from minor Italian nobility, which came to Corsica in the 16th century when the island was still a possession of Genoa."

I am thinking that, in view of the histories of Napoleon, Hitler, and Stalin, the Founding Fathers were not being excessively jingoistic when they stipulated that the U.S. president must be a natural-born American.
 

Awakened_Pisces

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BTW: No wonder Hitler became a dictator. His ASC Libra was conjunct the Fixed Star ALGOL. He also has Scorpio(The Legendary Beast) in his First house. But he has one of the weirdest placements for a dictator I've ever seen. His True Node is in Cancer. Loving, secretive Cancer. I'd understand this if it refers to his poorness early on in his life. But the True Node often reflects the person you should become. Does this mean that something shifted Hitler's thoughts into his racist rage against the jewish.

I wonder, what would Hitler's thoughts be on present day-Israel? He probably would have close ties with Iran right now and we'd be in a big mess :D.
 

BobZemco

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skywatcher1221 said:
I think Elba was the place of his first exile.
Okay I get those backwards a lot.

skywatcher1221 said:
It turns out he was an ethnic Italian.
That region was widely contested. You've probably heard the term "Mafia" although it is more correct to write 'MAFIA,' as it is an acronym.

It is Muerte Alle Francia Italia Alia. It is not Italian, it is a dialect circa 14th Century that literally means "Die all French Italians cry."

An accurate translation would be, "Death to the French is the cry of the Italians." It stems from battles over the contested region of the Riveria, which now consists of the French Riviera, the Riviera (Monaco) and the Italian Riviera.

There was on the web a long time ago a rectified event chart for the Night of Sicilian Vespers when the Sicilians rose up and killed on the French people on the island. It was a pretty freaky chart, especially as it progressed with the transits during the night.
skywatcher1221 said:
I am thinking that, in view of the histories of Napoleon, Hitler, and Stalin, the Founding Fathers were not being excessively jingoistic when they stipulated that the U.S. president must be a natural-born American.
I think you're right. They didn't want any external influences controlling the country, which is also why they preempted the possibility of a national religion.
 

skywatcher1221

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BobZemco said:
Okay I get those backwards a lot.


That region was widely contested. You've probably heard the term "Mafia" although it is more correct to write 'MAFIA,' as it is an acronym.

It is Muerte Alle Francia Italia Alia. It is not Italian, it is a dialect circa 14th Century that literally means "Die all French Italians cry."

An accurate translation would be, "Death to the French is the cry of the Italians." It stems from battles over the contested region of the Riveria, which now consists of the French Riviera, the Riviera (Monaco) and the Italian Riviera.

There was on the web a long time ago a rectified event chart for the Night of Sicilian Vespers when the Sicilians rose up and killed on the French people on the island. It was a pretty freaky chart, especially as it progressed with the transits during the night.

Do you still have the chart or the data for it? I'm a history buff and like to collect these things. What makes this especially freaky is that, according to Astrodienst, Pluto was in Capricorn that year and Saturn was opposite Uranus.
 
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