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Do I have a 'powerful' chart?
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The Ram
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I like placidus, it definitely does work. But for some people it can make the chart a bit screwy,depending on where they were born. Under placidus your first house is over 2 signs wide!
In answer to your question, a first house saturn is a mixed bag, it can be good or it can be bad. A 9th house pluto is good.
I would suggest looking at your chart in a whole sign format. Under that system youd have a 2nd house Saturn which again is not great, but Id rather have it there hidden from the ascendant than in the ascendant in most cases. You have a 9th house sun, moon, venus, mercury and north node, which is great. A 10th house scorpio mars, fantastic! And a 11th house Sagittarius Jupiter conjunct your mc, very auspicious! Under either house system your neptune and uranus are in your 12th house, which isnt great, but your other strong placements make up for that.
So yes, under whole sign houses format I would say that you do have a very strong chart. Under placidus it definitely looks a bit more ordinary. The good news is that whole sign looks to be more accurate for you.
In answer to your question, a first house saturn is a mixed bag, it can be good or it can be bad. A 9th house pluto is good.
I would suggest looking at your chart in a whole sign format. Under that system youd have a 2nd house Saturn which again is not great, but Id rather have it there hidden from the ascendant than in the ascendant in most cases. You have a 9th house sun, moon, venus, mercury and north node, which is great. A 10th house scorpio mars, fantastic! And a 11th house Sagittarius Jupiter conjunct your mc, very auspicious! Under either house system your neptune and uranus are in your 12th house, which isnt great, but your other strong placements make up for that.
So yes, under whole sign houses format I would say that you do have a very strong chart. Under placidus it definitely looks a bit more ordinary. The good news is that whole sign looks to be more accurate for you.
Ok, the title of this thread makes me sound very egotistical, but I don't mean to come across like that!The other day I was reading a forum on another website that mentioned Saturn in the first house and Pluto in the ninth house as 'powerful' placements in terms of leadership etc. Is this true for me in relation to the rest of my chart?
If it were this simple we wouldn't need astrologers and we could rely completely on computers. There is no silver bullet, no simple this causes that in astrology.
miquar
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Hi. All charts are powerful in one way or another, as long as we get away from very conventional, yang notions of what constitutes power. When we ask, 'Am I powerful', we are often really asking, 'Do I have enough power to achieve what I want to achieve?' There are some indications in your chart that suggest a possible propensity to be concerned about this. Sun is exactly conjunct Chiron, and also exactly novile Mars in Scorpio. The ruler of several personal planets, Venus, is closely semi-square Pluto and exactly semi-sextile Mars.
Jupiter culminates in its own sign, suggesting a possible desire for influence.
Jupiter culminates in its own sign, suggesting a possible desire for influence.
Dont know why but this makes me somehow joyful
JUPITERASC
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Would be interesting to know whether you are called on to lead others in daily life or not
Ok, the title of this thread makes me sound very egotistical,
but I don't mean to come across like that!
The other day I was reading a forum on another website that mentioned Saturn in the first house
and Pluto in the ninth house as 'powerful' placements in terms of leadership etc.
Is this true for me in relation to the rest of my chart?
The Ram
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You misunderstand, friend.
The house positions I mentioned are correct according to the whole sign house system, which is the original house system that astrologers used.
I would google whole sign houses and learn that system, its pretty simple and I think it would give you better insight into your chart than placidus (which is the current house system youre using, notuce how it says placidus on the chart you posted).
To put it simply: under whole sign houses all of the sign aquarius would be your first house, all of the sign pisces would be your 2nd and all of libra would be your 9th, etc etc.
Definitely Saturn goes a bit harsh on me at times you know with self doubt and such unpleasant feelings and I used to be called an absolute poker face before (well it has its benefits) but I think It helps me get a bit more down to earth you know- stop dreaming and get to work you idiot you dont have time to fool around 
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.This is just an opinion cause Im not an astrologer but I think you should decide for yourself which system fits better.For instance I prefer equal to both placidus and whole sign because the descriptions Ive read about the placements that come out describe me to a further extend than the others. About Saturn especially I feel much more like a Saturn in 1st(equal & placidus) than in 2nd(whole).
JUPITERASC
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dr. farr has more than fifty years of astrological experience and study completedAh ok, I see! I'm so sorry for not reading your reply properly.
Thank you for the new information!
I'll look up the whole house system right now!
and posted an excellent synopsis of the way WHOLE SIGN houses works
on a previous thread at http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=39669
Vista
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Uranus, Jupiter, Venus, and Mars are in their own rulerships which make them strong. Your MC is ruled by Jupiter which typically means you will have good fortune in your career. With Jupiter conjunct the MC in its own sign, doubly so. You are very Libra with all your personal planets placed in that sign. Uranus, your ASC ruler is in its own rulership of Capricorn, this can give you a little more grit however Libra's have a hard time making up their mind about anything. In fact, you have Uranus and Neptune squaring your Moon and Sun, I believe you are very changeable and your mood peaks and dips quite regularly. I think there is an element of unpredictability about you as well. Finding work that is not routine would be suggested or something that gives a lot of flexibility and variety.
I don't look at Libra's as a "powerful sign" generally speaking. They are more pleasant peacemakers and can sit both sides of the fence so to speak. Of course this is mitigated by looking at the chart in it's entirety as well as sign and house placement. You will have to give more background about yourself. Are you creative in some way or good at sales? Do you like to travel? Are you in school? What are your aspirations?
I don't look at Libra's as a "powerful sign" generally speaking. They are more pleasant peacemakers and can sit both sides of the fence so to speak. Of course this is mitigated by looking at the chart in it's entirety as well as sign and house placement. You will have to give more background about yourself. Are you creative in some way or good at sales? Do you like to travel? Are you in school? What are your aspirations?
Ok, the title of this thread makes me sound very egotistical, but I don't mean to come across like that!
Vista
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You're welcome! I just noticed your Pluto is also in it's own rulership!! 5 planets in their own sign/rulership!! How fortunate!
Nothing wrong with wanting fame! Do you want to become a teacher or perhaps an interpreter? Funny, knowing other languages would be great for being a tour guide. LOL! I didn't like traveling much when I was young and hate traveling for work but I LOVE traveling for pleasure.
Nothing wrong with wanting fame! Do you want to become a teacher or perhaps an interpreter? Funny, knowing other languages would be great for being a tour guide. LOL! I didn't like traveling much when I was young and hate traveling for work but I LOVE traveling for pleasure.
JUPITERASC
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by the way
For beginners
it is necessary to be aware that there are frequently differences of opinion amongst astrologers
and
that one of those differences of opinion involves RULERSHIP
because
for approximately two thousand years
RULERSHIP TABLE worked well and continue to work well today
as a coherent system
and
many are of the opinion
that it is simply not possibly to cram newly discovered planets
into the existing balanced framework
without seriously and irreparably destabilising the rulership tables
rendering them nonsensical
dr. farr has studied astrology for more than fifty years and sums up the situation as follows:
HOW TO READ THE FOLLOWING TABLES http://www.skyscript.co.uk/dig2.html
For beginners
it is necessary to be aware that there are frequently differences of opinion amongst astrologers
and
that one of those differences of opinion involves RULERSHIP
because
for approximately two thousand years
RULERSHIP TABLE worked well and continue to work well today
as a coherent system
and
many are of the opinion
that it is simply not possibly to cram newly discovered planets
into the existing balanced framework
without seriously and irreparably destabilising the rulership tables
rendering them nonsensical
dr. farr has studied astrology for more than fifty years and sums up the situation as follows:
HOW TO READ THE FOLLOWING TABLES http://www.skyscript.co.uk/dig2.html
Vista
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They are powerful because they the 5 planets are in the sign that it rules.
Honestly I have no idea what I wanna be yet! My indecisiveness shining right through
JUPITERASC
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Rulership is only one of several different forms of dignity that a planet may have
Honestly I have no idea what I wanna be yet!
My indecisiveness shining right through
Haha, hopefully I'll be like you and take more to travelling when I'm older and wiser
Actually, would you mind me asking,
what is so fortunate about having 5 planets in their own sign/rulership?
dependent on location, some planets have no dignity at all
For thousands of years, only seven visible planets were recognised in astrology
then in March 1781 the planet Uranus was discovered
since then, modern astrologers have had disagreements regarding which sign 'rules Uranus'
HOWEVER
it is clearly not possible
to cram Uranus into the existing planetary dignities table
without de-stabilising Saturn, the traditional ruler of Aquarius
so
some modern astrologers assign co-rulership of Aquarius to Uranus
so that Saturn co-rules Aquarius with Uranus
but
not all modern astrologers are of this opinion
Then when Neptune was discovered September 1846
some modern astrologers speculated that Neptune ruled Pisces
but some astrologers disagree for the reasons already mentioned
Then Pluto was discovered February 1930 less than 100 years ago
and some modern astrologers speculated that Pluto rules Scorpio
but some astrologers disagree for reasons already mentioned
UNDERSTANDING PLANETARY DIGNITY AND DEBILITY http://www.skyscript.co.uk/dig3.html