**Shocked** I never knew up until just reading this thread, that Modern Astrology was so frowned upon on this forum.
Even in horary i a few times have noticed outers having a say in the chart, especially uranus. In a recent pregnancy chart on here, moon had just left a conjunction with uranus (plus other aspects) when she found out she was indeed out of the blue pregnant.
So were not allowed to discuss outers on AW at all ? is it against the forum rules ?
For discussions on Traditional Astrology only. (Note: Typically, traditional astrology is defined as using techniques developed prior to 1700 by astrologers from the Hellenistic, Persian, Hebrew, and Renaissance eras. Specifically it relies on Ptolemaic aspects (sextile, trine, square, opposition and conjunction) and excludes modern planets (Neptune, Uranus and Pluto,) non-Ptolemaic aspects, as well as any asteroids. The focus is less on what would be considered modern psychological chart interpretation and more on prediction. Members who wish to explore a combination of traditional and modern ideas should feel free to start a new thread in an appropriate forum for further discussion.)
you are posting on Traditional forum
Traditional forum excludes the outers
nothing to do with sheep
you are posting on Traditional forum
Traditional forum excludes the outers
nothing to do with sheep
Aries is a Sign featured in modern astrologyAries is the Sign represented by a male sheep .
All,
Discussion of outers is allowed on AW except on the Traditional Astrology board, which is where this thread was originally posted. I have moved it for that reason. It sounds to me like that confusion came from people saying "this forum" when they meant the Traditional Astrology board, but "this forum" could just as easily mean the entire site.
For everyone's reminder, here is the blurb for the Traditional Astrology board. If you wish to post in Traditional Astrology, please read the blurb first and make sure your posting is traditional by the forum's definition:
Bolded parts mine, for emphasis.
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For discussions on Traditional Astrology only. (Note: Typically, traditional astrology is defined as using techniques developed prior to 1700 by astrologers from the Hellenistic, Persian, Hebrew, and Renaissance eras. Specifically it relies on Ptolemaic aspects (sextile, trine, square, opposition and conjunction) and excludes modern planets (Neptune, Uranus and Pluto,) non-Ptolemaic aspects, as well as any asteroids. The focus is less on what would be considered modern psychological chart interpretation and more on prediction. Members who wish to explore a combination of traditional and modern ideas should feel free to start a new thread in an appropriate forum for further discussion.)
Since this thread is no longer on the Traditional Astrology board, discussion of it not being appropriate for where it's posted is no longer relevant. If anyone genuinely wants to discuss the non-use of outer planets in traditional astrology, why that's so, anything like that, you may continue to do so respectfully.
Aries is a Sign featured in modern astrology
by the way
a moderator has just highlighted
that this thread is no longer on the Traditional board
Is the significance of an Aspect based on Declinations a Traditional concept?
So, Traditional doesn't use a male sheep for Cardinal-Fire?
Some vedic astrologers also use the outers.The assumption that traditional astrologers don't use modern planets doesn't hold up to scrutiny. How many traditional astrologers do you know that ignore the modern planets?
Only Vedic astrologers do this, from what I have seen.
Consider preeminent scholar of Medieval astrology, Robert Zoller, uses the outer planets. Skyscript founder Deborah Houlding also uses them.
Same with Hellenistic astrology, many are using the outer planets, like the scholar Chris Brennan.
Renowned hellenistic astrologer Demetra George uses asteroids.
P.D. Maybe John Frawley could be the exception to the rule, but traditional astrologers are using (and have been using) modern planets.
[Moved this thread from the Traditional Astrology board. - Moderator]
You can't calculate strength for the outers. Too many unanswered questions. That's why they only really work in modern western astrology where planetary strength only plays a minor role or no role at all.What do you mean i've been here for months asking about outer planets, not to my knowledge i haven't, i use outers scarcely and have hardly ever asked about them on this forum.
Do i lack reading comprehension...i actually don't no.
Traditionalists, why you feel the need to disregard another 3 planets just because they were discovered later on, anyway is beyond me.
Yes, there are some obvious holes in the naked eye theory.From Wikipedia:
"Like the classical planets, Uranus is visible to the naked eye, but it was never recognised as a planet by ancient observers because of its dimness and slow orbit.[18] Sir William Herschel announced its discovery on 13 March 1781, expanding the known boundaries of the Solar System for the first time in history and making Uranus the first planet discovered with a telescope."
Yes, there are some obvious holes in the naked eye theory.
Not really. We're talking about a wandering star that's barely visible once in a while. Single weak fixed stars aren't used either, never were. Noticeable clouds of them are sometimes used, and comets are used.
Didn't jyotish also work that way?
As a rule, David, the stars, both fixed and wandering, are visible at night.
Going by your logic, one could also make a case for moon-sign astrology, I suppose. In reality, the sun is more important in a day chart, and the moon in a night chart, but neither is the sole determining factor. I guess for you it is, so sun signs are the most important thing?
If you don't like traditional astrology that's fine, you don't have to use it. I'm just trying to explain it, but rapidly coming to the conclusion that there's no point.
The Moon is more important than the Sun
because it shines at night
when we need the light
whereas the Sun shines during the day, when we don't.
Without the Sun
the Moon has no light
i.e.
the Moon shines because the Sun shines
the Moon simply reflects the light of the Sun
David, brighter is stronger in some ways. Let there be light. The sun. That's where most of it comes from for us.
That doesn't mean it's the only star that affects us, but it does represent the light of mind, consciousness. So it's very important to everyone. But in trad, manners don't come from signs, they come from planets. And interestingly, the only planet they don't come from is the sun.
I see far more disdain for traditional astrology here than for modern.