Finding my ascendent?

Bradders

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Hello!

I'm curious as to what my ascendent is, since the information I could get is 'before tea time' and 6-7pm, which seemed to be a guess from my mother, and which could only hinder the result at the time. My sun is Capricorn, by the way.

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/580/26103710000100061630537.jpg/

Often my face seems to protray my mood exceptionally, my mother has mentioned though that I have quite a 'serious face' and often, my mood was mistaken for gloomy in the past. The most impression I get from people is that I think too much, dwell on 'negative things', and quite sensitive, I've even shown quite a temper much in my life. A temper that rages to thinking of seriously harming others. It hurts me though, particularly, to think I'm able to do such things.

Most of myself I wonder really what I am and why I am here...
 
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Welcome to AW,
If you were born in hospital there is every chance of your birth time being recorded.

you could struggle with this for a long time, there are plenty of threads on here to help though. Just use our search feature. good luck

Ascendant physical traits
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=25131

Ascendant sign research
http://www.cafeastrology.com/risingsignsascendant.html
http://astrology.findyourfate.com/astrology-ascendant.htm
http://www.astrology-numerology.com/angles.html
http://moonvalleyastrologer.com/zodia_sign.htm
http://www.astrologyzine.com/what-are-rising-sign-traits.shtml
http://www.alwaysastrology.com/rising-signs.html
http://www.astrofaces.com/astrofaces/index.html
http://www.forrestastrology.com/Audio-and-Video/The-Ascendant-Workshop-MP3
http://www.starslikeyou.com.au/star-files/ascendant/aries.php
http://www.forrestastrology.com/General-Astrology/the-craft-of-chart-rectification
http://www.elbertwade.com/page79.html

You can listen to author Jodie Forrest here describe Ascendants and planets in first house, even buy her audio on the subject
Just briefly, according to member Kannon [Cardinal signs are more rounded. Fixed signs are rectangular or blocky. Mutable signs are longish or narrow]
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=28315
 

JUPITERASC

Well-known member
Hello!

I'm curious as to what my ascendent is, since the information I could get is 'before tea time' and 6-7pm, which seemed to be a guess from my mother, and which could only hinder the result at the time. My sun is Capricorn, by the way.

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/841/21153610000100061630567.jpg/

Often my face seems to protray my mood exceptionally, my mother has mentioned though that I have quite a 'serious face' and often, my mood was mistaken for gloomy in the past. The most impression I get from people is that I think too much, dwell on 'negative things', and quite sensitive, I've even shown quite a temper much in my life. A temper that rages to thinking of seriously harming others. It hurts me though, particularly, to think I'm able to do such things.

Most of myself I wonder really what I am and why I am here...


astrological opinion varies on the technique known as rectification - there are varying forms of rectification and as usual there is heated debate amongst astrologers as to whether rectification 'works' or not - here's one helpful opinion on the subject - there are many opinions! http://www.astro.com/astrology/in_rectification_e.htm
 

lissyloulou

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Hi Bradders

I'm interested in rectifications. Can you post your chart here, with a 3pm birthtime and a 7pm birthtime to give a starting point and an idea of the ascendant range we could work with.
 

Bradders

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First of all, I'm grateful for all the responses. To be honest, I'm really thinking as I'm in the uk and I've heard there are no birth times printed on the birth files. It's rather sad really.

Yes, I will try those times! Thank you ever so much Lissyloulou! =3 It is a privilege!

I really would wish to calculate some sort of true hour time though, even minutes! But it is extremely difficult for me as of now. I might have to post the hour, but I'm unable to say how I'm going to say the minutes or the actual true hour. >.< This is what is so bothersome!

http://alabe.com/cgi-bin/chart/pics/2455758170376.gif

^ This is my birthtime at 3pm! However, I truly don't know what is my real birth hour! These are predictions by my mother who tells me she was much too busy to actually check the time. I might be really checking into something.

http://alabe.com/cgi-bin/chart/pics/2455758510979.gif

^ Now, this is 7pm! Still, the most desperate right now is the point, they're both hours! >.< ARGH!!! It could be any hour, but if you truly know this... you're AMAZING!!!

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/580/26103710000100061630537.jpg/

Ok, much better view of me too!
 
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lissyloulou

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Thanks for posting those Brad. So Gemini to Leo Ascendant. If I were to go on looks I'd go Gemini ascendant. Personally I have found from experience that Gemini asc seems to reflect the mood quite well and with the Capricorn sun that could be a relatively serious expression.

Anyway moving on. Do you have a list of about 10 - 15 significant events in your life. Births, deaths, marriages, moving house, accidents. You are very young, so this may be limited. Brothers, sisters date of births? Holidays that mean a lot to you. Date of meeting a partner? Engagement, breakups.

PM me if you wish, and I will see if I can rectify your chart. Please bear in mind that although I have studied this for some time, I have only attempted one rectification, and am a complete novice. Although the colleague i did this for was very pleased with the result, and raved for ages, it would never hurt to have this done professionally if you truely want to pinpoint a time.
 
Solar Arcs
Solar arcs are really simple, especially for beginners, just move the Angles, Asc, Desc, MC, IC 1' for each year of your life onto planets and vice versa. Not just used for rectification either. Under age 12 though these interpretations are directed towards family changes, maybe relocation, job changes, illnesses, additions to family etc. Another example is my Pluto is 28' Leo in 7th house and my Uranus is 3' Leo in same house to subtract these and you get age 25. That year my then husband and I had an almighty explosion (Uranus) and transformation (Pluto) of that marriage that started the demise and ultimate ending thereof....

Further research on solar arcs try these threads.
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12024&highlight=solar+arcs
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12958&highlight=solar+arcs
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6691&highlight=solar+arcs
http://www.aquamoonlight.co.uk/rectification.html
http://www.frankstar.com/solararc.htm
http://thezodiac.com/arcs.htm
http://www.donmc.com/Comparing%20Transits%20and%20Solar%20Arcs%20II.htm
http://en.mimi.hu/astrology/solar_arc_directions.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astrological_progression

http://www.bernadettebrady.com/Pdfs/...tification.pdf

Rectification of birth time
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KW0G2S2Ti4I
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYMX9X2C1BQ&NR=1
· Transiting Pluto square, conj opp Asc, Desc, MC, IC
· If under 12’ when it conj an Angle then their age was under age 12 it’s parents adjustments. A death, change within father’s work, a separation, remarriage.
· Adults or teens, 1st job, identity transformation MC.
· Pluto conj Desc = death, health concerns, geographic, significant relationship or break up, but has to be ‘life transforming’
· Also try transiting Neptune, something dissolving, disappearing, confusing etc.
· Timings of transits… is it the 1st hit? More often it’s the middle retrograde hit… but could be the last direct hit also. 1’ =4minutes in time.
 

Bradders

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Well, 10 to 15 events? :3

Umm, well...

Event 1: My dad died when I was around 13 years old, and I believe it was either a few months before or after I started high school, most likely before, before I first heard news I had been messing around with a friend inside the school where we seemed to be walking amok on the school grounds, he had been sent to hospital after a car crash and doctors were attempting to revive him, I joined my whole family in the car where my sister seemed to be moved to tears and crying loudly, but I did not tremble. We sat in the waiting room, and a doctor came in and told us he had not came back, again the whole family was distressed but I didn't know my dad so my emotions weren't so forced until later on, where I burst out crying on the way back home.

Event 2: I believe around August perhaps around the age of either 10-12, I had a accident where I had asked two stray men on a beach whilst my family was on holiday to ask if they'd give the boat, or it was my stepfather who asked. We borrowed the boat and my stepdad seemed to take responsibility, but I was ever so excitable I seemed to run out and try to chase him whilst he was drifting out to sea, I ran so fast I seemed to fall back and began to suffocate and fight for survival as I tried very hard to swim but couldn't, I tried very hard until he saved me and grabbed my hand, bringing me back onto the boat.

Event 3: Around the age of 3-5 years old, most likely 3, I remember sleeping on the sofa of my house in the living room, where I'd wake up to a massive argument later that evening/night where my father and mother were arguing, the fighting was so intense, I heard screaming, even perhaps someone pulling someones hair, the fight seemed to be over my dad and possibly my mother with my now stepdad, I watched, scared and frightened until my father grabbed me and took me into the car out on the front, where we drove off and I was singlely taken by him to his mothers bungalow where I stayed that night. It was my father's divorce I believe.

Event 4: I had a variety of 'friends' as a small child perhaps 4-5-6, who one I would visit and be nervous and scared around, being called Christopher where I believe my family would visit but I would be too nervous to join them and would come out later in the day,

Event 5: I also remember another friend named Jackie who I made and would play with, I would use stones to actually etch drawings into the kurb of a pavement right outside his house and draw monsters, showing my early creativity, I remember the day he left me when I was playing with a dumper truck outside his leave and his parent told me to leave, I never saw him since.

Event 6: I made my first real friend when I was older, probably 5-6, when my sister asked me to come to his house after I was sitting outside, stuck and bored, she told me to see him and I was very timid at first, but he gladly let me in, living three houses and across the road from me, I would first play Pokemon there, a video game and catch one, but he was around 5 years older than me, I had that friend for years now, he is still with me.

Event 7: I used to bully a child when I was around 10-12, his name was Tyrone, I used to attack him and even jump on his stomach as he layed on the grass on a field on the school grounds, my friends laughed, I was sad though, as I wanted to hate and beat him. He told the teachers, I retaliated again with violence.

Event 8: I was very quiet in my high school years, I used to dissapear into the local woodlands, my head was full of thoughts and there I used to eat with another student named Lance, where we used to talk about our favorite series together and video games and eat lunch there. I would also often hide in the bushes, run from the teachers and try to avoid class often, I would get very sentimental from my dad having died and my emotions fumed, I would not enter class and eventually joined a book club, but I still seemed to detest the school and the authority there ( I always hated teachers ) and would walk off around the school and areas, I would avoid classes for months, eventually I was taken out and once attempted suicide or a form of hatred towards the school, I dared to 'jump in the skip' as I see it and scared myself, I would only listen to some teachers. They appeared to be extremely sad with my act. I eventually started skipping school altogether, walking back home, my mother appeared to remove me from the school premises, and I then remember staying inside, where I would sit and play video games on a gamecube console. I rarely went out. I was really depressed.

Event 9: Around the ages of 13, I would sleep all day and get depressed about college and school and how they helped me, I seemed to detest what I once did and live alone in a crowded room, I was scared of myself and hated myself for the acts, my mother eventually moved and it was the biggest thing I hated, as I felt anger, depression and anxiety with the move, it was a new house near the holiday resort we used to go, but I still hated it, I kicked the doors and would scream and cry to myself, once we got there, I was scared, numb and would walk around with the biggest depression and numbness I ever felt. I hated it. Always hated that house. It was disgusting, horrible, it's how I knew it. It was the most despicable move we ever made, but I would stay in my room and watch japanese cartoons on my computer, I would make friends online and only go out to get cookies or food to eat.

Event 10: During my time in the new house, I became absent, angry, depressed, fidgetive, angry at my parents and argue, I felt very angry with their ordeals and blame them for all they did, my mother took it as a remark of belief of depression. We would argue for hours but it seemed like minutes to myself. I seemed to be extremely sentimental. I would cry and be in my room, saddened. Leaving the world alone.

Event 11: I started to conform to a college course about confidence where I met several people, played in a band where it was part of a scheme to build up my confidence for college, my confidence grew with the band where I even nurtured one member and they also seemed to be autistic, I also cooked food of my choice during the 'confidence' course and made cakes and such, lasagne, sausage caserole and would give to family back home, I eventually did gigs as we did songs and played together, I was a singer at that point where I was appraised for my voice which I was very nervous and shy about at first, having being a talent that seemed to rise, the gigs seemed to grow, and I eventually didn't like them but my confidence would be alright and I did well, playing infront of '20,000' people on a large stage. I was very uptight and nervous when I was practicing and even when singing. I would practice the songs I knew at home but the shyness really belted me. I eventually did a course for learning teamwork and obstacles and games in a local forest where I played with aforementioned teammates and I seemed to really enjoy myself, being very good at getting across large walls as a obstacle, but found it hard to get across a tightrope around a woodland blindfolded. I would leave that course around May I believe of 2009 and then reenter college at september later that year.

Event 12: I would attempt to meet up with a boy around the ages of 17, the month being august 2010 who seemed to become my friend online, and I wanted to meet him in real life, he told me I was company and 'his sanctuary' I would attempt to bring him up with my joy and enthusiam for games, love and joy, he eventually drew pictures and I was very happy with his approach, it seemed we were both very nervous online and wanted to meet up as he lived nearby in a place in the same city ( it being Leicester ) and we always intolerated it together, I would very nervously ask for his approval in plans but he'd say no after a while of his mother, I wanted to find a job eventually and work with him or close to him as his work in Next had inspired me, I would attempt to go into the city center, expecting to meet him at that Next, but he wasn't at that one, appearing to be at another in a place called Beaumont leys, I attempted to go there, his shyness and depression grew greater and I became his personal assistant online, caring for him with my enthusiam and making him happy, we eventually would however break up due to many attacks on each other and me actually attempting to enter his workplace to see if he was there, and him saying I was being a 'stalker' and 'seduced a coworker' when I never attempted such things. I was very depressed. We left with the fight ending May, this year.

event 13: Around the age of 6, I once grew very angry with my dad and protested that he scolded me as I seemed to pick up a phone and dial 999 to actually arrest him at such a young age, he was very angry and saddened and call them back to tell them to leave whilst I sat in sadness and anxiety and callousness at the call. I would tell him I would never do it again, promising and left. I would meet up with my friends later.

14: Me and my neice once got lost whilst walking from my brothers to go home with her, she'd persist that her way was the right way as she said about a route and we followed, I then said about another and we eventually said about a old ladies house, the old lady would then call the police to have us picked up, I believe we were 6-7-8 at the time and it seemed my route was the best one. Around the same age, I also had a incident where I seemed to believe I was 'following my stepdad to work' and would ride out on a small trike past traffic, cop cars, other cars and other motorways to a long distance bridge nearby and would hide in the field as police sirens seemed to go out, I was taken and scolded for my actions.

15: I would nurture my stepdad's brother who was physically disabled whilst on a holiday to Spain, I believe I was 17 at the time; he had suffered brain damage from a car accident from his younger age of 17, and I would become his personal 'protector', I once saved him after he dived in a swimming pool and from my view, he was drowning and falling into the pool, he swam and we ate together, talked together and seemed to have a great time talking together about our issues, I would join him later on when I was there again november 2010 and would stay in his caravan/tent home in a personal caravan site there, from now, he was disabled but still we spent much time together in that caravan but would have a argument and I would storm off later on after we went to a pub together, I would get drunk after consolidation from parents and stand up and sing in front of the pub on their kaoroke, with as much feeling as I could, but I learned to hate the caravan site and avoided it later on.
 

lissyloulou

Well-known member
That is some list of events Bradders, and for someone so young you have been through a lot. Although you have a Capricorn Sun you strike me as very sensitive and I was intrigued to find how this reflects in your chart.

Working through the minutes from Gemini to Leo Ascendant I have gone with Cancer, and late Cancer at that. This puts you in the 3rd decan of Cancer under the influence of Neptune which explains why you soak everything up and have these artistic traits.

The ruler of Cancer, your Moon sits in the 8th house along with her comrades Venus and Saturn, which again I feel fits your brushes with death.

You would have Mars on the ascendant hidden in 12th house. But it is close enough to be conjunct the ascendant and interpreted in the 1st. I would see this as your energy being quite bottled up, hidden, but having moments of complete release when you just explode through the 1st house.

2nd july 2004 was the date your father passed away. If I set your birthtime to 5:20pm at this time, chiron was crossing your desc. Life changing situations occur when chiron crosses the desc. It would be floating around that area for a round 6 months either side of that date, and would explain why that particular time in your life was troublesome.

From around Mid 2002 to beginning of 2005 Saturn would have been transiting the 12th house. Draining and debilitating to say the least and certainly it can be depressing.

Move forward to 2007 and Saturn Conjunct Chiron. This is a time to mend. When Saturn can take your past experiences and with the help of Chiron heal what has gone before and bring you strength for the future.

So have a look at the 5:20pm time. Pull up a chart, have a play with it. See how it fits. It's like trying on a new coat. Play with the transits and see what you think.
 

JUPITERASC

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Well I hope our specialist in rectification member *kannon* responds to your theory. :unsure:


If not, then remember that
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Originally Posted by JUPITERASC
astrological opinion varies on the technique known as rectification - there are varying forms of rectification and as usual there is heated debate amongst astrologers as to whether rectification 'works' or not - here's one helpful opinion on the subject - there are many opinions! http://www.astro.com/astrology/in_rectification_e.htm

and in the meantime, here's another helpful link regarding rectification http://www.aquamoonlight.co.uk/rectification.html :smile:
 

Kannon

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astrological opinion varies on the technique known as rectification - there are varying forms of rectification and as usual there is heated debate amongst astrologers as to whether rectification 'works' or not - here's one helpful opinion on the subject - there are many opinions! http://www.astro.com/astrology/in_rectification_e.htm

In a practical sense this linked article is not helpful whatsoever. Rectification is a specialty and the article has the words of a failed or frustrated rectifier who speaks only from a German point of view. German record keeping is superior as it relates to birth records, so he is both in the lap of luxury and deluded about the rest of the world as revealed by the rest of his statements on the topic.

Bradders,

The native Always - Always displays the expression of their rising sign and correct horoscope. It is simply up to astrologers to perceive it. It involves sign on the Asc, 1st house planets, aspects - in longitude and declination - and conditions of Sun and Moon. I have over a decade of experience in this and have become a world class rectifier.

As to your picture, your face shows a mutable or cardinal sign, almost certainly. Aries principle = head and in the individual horoscope = Asc. There is no clear formulaic, simple method, but general, relative categories for Asc signs. Cardinal signs show general roundedness to the head/face. Fixed signs show a squarish/rectangular outline by comparison. Mutable signs show slender/tapering/longish faces.

If you post your birth data or email it to me - kannonmcafee@gmail.com - along with pictures of your face, physical description, height/build compared to family members, I may be able to narrow it down for you - possibly even pinpoint it specifically. Don't know until I get your info, but I'm willing to try.

Thanks to Astrolger50 for bringing my attention to this thread and for her confidence in my knowledge. I truly appreciate it.
 

Bradders

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Thank you ever so much Lissyloulou! ^_^ That was really nice! I thank you for doing this!

I do feel for Lissy, but I will attempt yours too, Mr Kannon! I thank you alot for the fact you would be addressing this thread! It was very immaculate for you to! ^_^
 

lissyloulou

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Bradders, I am no expert, if Kannon can help you, then go for it. There is nothing more frustrating than not knowing your time of birth, believe me I know.
 

Bradders

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Bradders, I am no expert, if Kannon can help you, then go for it. There is nothing more frustrating than not knowing your time of birth, believe me I know.

Oh yes, spending months wondering if I could figuring it out, once thinking I had a Aries ascendent by the physical description, and then, a PISCES ASCENDENT! I was really getting lost in descriptions with nothing more, but my birth chart I wanted to believe.
 

JUPITERASC

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In a practical sense this linked article { http://www.aquamoonlight.co.uk/rectification.html } is not helpful whatsoever. Rectification is a specialty and the article has the words of a failed or frustrated rectifier who speaks only from a German point of view. German record keeping is superior as it relates to birth records, so he is both in the lap of luxury and deluded about the rest of the world as revealed by the rest of his statements on the topic.

I agree that rectification is indeed a speciality: each practitioner has their own adherents. It is sensible to discover as much as possible oneself concerning the subject. Having said that, it is very kind of Kannon to offer to rectify your chart. :smile:

QUOTE: "If the birth time cannot be obtained, or is not precise, some astrologers try to find it by rectification. This is usually done by making a list of important events in the person's life, and calculating what birth time would give the most appropriate progressions and/or transits for these dates. Another method, often combined with the former, is to decide what birth time would give a chart that seems to describe the person most accurately - especially as regards physical appearance. Not all astrologers approve of rectification, however." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natal_chart

http://www.elbertwade.com/page43.html

http://horoscopicastrologyblog.com/2009/12/11/five-tips-for-birth-chart-rectification/

There are Vedic rectification procedures also http://yournetastrologer.com/birth_chart_rectification.htm

And there are Hellenistic http://astrologychart.birthchart.co...birth-chart-rectification-and-its-importance/
 

Bradders

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Alright...

I came down to


Libra: 1,2,7,8, 10
Virgo: 29 only - high likelihood
Cancer 26-29 inclusive
Aries: 4/5, 25/26 - this sign does not seem likely at all for you
Pisces: 25, 26 - next highest likelihood
Sag: 1, 3/4, 10, 12/13
Libra: (wee hours of morning) 6/7, 9/10

Now, Libra, Pisces or Virgo, I'd like to go with Virgo. It has been good to me. Perhaps I'd wait now. For 22nd of September. To see the 29 virgo come through my sun.
 

JUPITERASC

Well-known member
Alright...

I came down to


Libra: 1,2,7,8, 10
Virgo: 29 only - high likelihood
Cancer 26-29 inclusive
Aries: 4/5, 25/26 - this sign does not seem likely at all for you
Pisces: 25, 26 - next highest likelihood
Sag: 1, 3/4, 10, 12/13
Libra: (wee hours of morning) 6/7, 9/10

Now, Libra, Pisces or Virgo, I'd like to go with Virgo. It has been good to me. Perhaps I'd wait now. For 22nd of September. To see the 29 virgo come through my sun.

Astrologers practice different methods - here's another interesting one from Traditional Astrology called 'Animodar' http://www.skyscript.co.uk/gl/animodar.html :smile:
 

Bradders

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Alright, I thank you all for your hard work and dedication on helping. You've all done terrific jobs. <3 Thank you all so very much!

Right now, it's Virgo or Libra I'm thinking of, but you've all done an great job. It's so lost in my mind right now. Kannon, thank you too.

Lillyloulou, thank you for your work too. I really don't know what astrology sign I still am. It's very comtemplating. I've done this for months now. It seems like ages till I can figure it out.

Kannon, might I ask what it says about Libra? Do I fit the description?
 
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