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Loosing of the Bond in Zodiacal Releasing

I`m wondering what type of events are to be expected if there is the Loosing of the Bonds when releasing from three Lots (Fortune, Spirit and Eros) happening within the same time period of time.


LB is said to signify a major transition. And LB happens rarely, so I guess having a set of many LB periods within just a few months seems extraordinary.

Do you have any experience (not necessarily personal) of this?



I`m familiar with one example of overlapped LB periods provided by Chris Brennan at his excellent website www.theastrologypodcast.com.

Here is the link to the podcast on ZR: http://theastrologypodcast.com/2019/...ing-technique/

It is an example of George Lucas, but it seems rather unusual, since most people aren`t interested in pursuing a career as a race car driver. And most people don`t survive serious car accidents.
Plus, the LB happened when Lucas was in his peak period (=sign angular from Fortune).

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I`m wondering what type of events are to be expected if there is the Loosing of the Bonds when releasing from three Lots (Fortune, Spirit and Eros) happening within the same time period of time.

LB is said to signify a major transition. And LB happens rarely, so I guess having a set of many LB periods within just a few months seems extraordinary.

Do you have any experience (not necessarily personal) of this?

I`m familiar with one example of overlapped LB periods provided by Chris Brennan at his excellent website www.theastrologypodcast.com.

Here is the link to the podcast on ZR: http://theastrologypodcast.com/2019/...ing-technique/

It is an example of George Lucas, but it seems rather unusual, since most people aren`t interested in pursuing a career as a race car driver. And most people don`t survive serious car accidents.
Plus, the LB happened when Lucas was in his peak period (=sign angular from Fortune).
A video published April 2017
about Mitt Romney's Zodiacal Releasing from Spirit
and his - at that time - upcoming Loosing of the Bond
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9krvtcaqXA
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Re: Loosing of the Bond in Zodiacal Releasing

Thank you for this link, Jupiterasc
I have little idea of who M. Romney is, but I`ll watch the video anyway
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Re: Loosing of the Bond in Zodiacal Releasing

Well, I don`t see anything significant happening;
LOB periods are over now.

It makes me more and more skeptical about these traditional methods.

Protections don`t seem to check out, either:

5th profected year has absolutely nothing to so with 5th house matters
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Well, I don`t see anything significant happening;
LOB periods are over now.
It makes me more and more skeptical about these traditional methods.
Protections don`t seem to check out, either:
5th profected year has absolutely nothing to so with 5th house matters
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Re: Loosing of the Bond in Zodiacal Releasing

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present a detailed introduction to the ancient zodiacal releasing timing technique
which divides your life into chapters and paragraphs
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In ancient Hellenistic astrology
there were several different time-lord techniques
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to determine when the potential of placements in the birth chart
would be awakened, although many of them were lost
in the transmission of astrology over the past 2000 years.

Zodiacal releasing is a time-lord technique
that has been recovered over the past two decades
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of the Greek text of the 2nd century astrologer Vettius Valens.

In this episode Chris and Leisa present a 4-hour workshop
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There is a long set of show notes below, which outline
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I`m wondering what type of events are to be expected if there is the Loosing of the Bonds when releasing from three Lots (Fortune, Spirit and Eros) happening within the same time period of time.

LB is said to signify a major transition. And LB happens rarely, so I guess having a set of many LB periods within just a few months seems extraordinary.

Do you have any experience (not necessarily personal) of this?

I`m familiar with one example of overlapped LB periods provided by Chris Brennan at his excellent website www.theastrologypodcast.com.

Here is the link to the podcast on ZR: http://theastrologypodcast.com/2019/...ing-technique/

It is an example of George Lucas, but it seems rather unusual, since most people aren`t interested in pursuing a career as a race car driver. And most people don`t survive serious car accidents.
Plus, the LB happened when Lucas was in his peak period (=sign angular from Fortune).
Calculating Zodiacal Releasing Periods



  • Identify the sign that each lot is placed in.
  • Start from the lot that matches the topic you want to study.
  • The quality of the lot provides the context of the resulting periods.
    • Spirit: career, overall life direction, actions
    • Fortune: health, accidents, the body, that which befalls you.
    • Eros: relationships, marriage, love.
  • Each sign of the zodiac is attributed a certain number of years:
    • Aries and Scorpio: 15
    • Taurus and Libra: 8
    • Gemini and Virgo: 20
    • Cancer: 25
    • Leo: 19
    • Sagittarius and Pisces: 12
    • Capricorn: 27
    • Aquarius: 30
  • The sign the lot falls in is activated for the number of years associated with that sign.
  • Once those years are up, the next sign in zodiacal order is activated.
  • It is called zodiacal releasing because you release the significator from its fixed position
    • Zodiacal “aphesis”
  • It keeps moving forward in zodiacal order as long as the native is alive.
  • Moves at a variable rate, not fixed or constant. Symbolic.
  • For the purpose of calculation 360 day years and 30 day months are used.
  • There are also subperiods to study shorter durations.
    • Signs attributed months instead of years on level 2.
    • Each subperiod is 1/12 of the general period.
    • Four subperiods.
    • Level 3: “weeks” of 2.5 days (1/12 of Level 2)
    • Level 4: “days” of 5 hours (1/12 of Level 3)
  • For the purpose of this we will focus mainly on level 1 and level 2
    • General periods and first subperiods
    • The technique though becomes even more impressive seeing it on lower levels.
  • If Spirit and Fortune are in the same sign, move Spirit forward one sign.
Software Programs for Calculating Zodiacal Releasing

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ZODIACAL RELEASING

Peak Periods
  • The signs that are angular from the Lot of Fortune are more active and important
  • Coincide with periods of heightened importance and activity when activated.
    • What I call “peak periods”
  • When you start from Spirit and it comes to angles from Fortune these are career peaks
  • When you start from Eros and it comes to angles from Fortune relationship peaks
  • Periods of heightened importance and activity are not necessarily positive.
    • Just more active and more important.
  • Peak periods tend to stand out in a person’s chronology.
  • True especially in general periods, but also in subperiods.
Angular Triads
  • Peak periods do not happen in isolation
  • The sign that comes before a peak period builds up to and prepares for the peak
  • The sign after the peak period carries forward and brings to completion these themes
  • This cluster of three signs is known as an angular triad.
    • Term introduced by Schmidt to name something implicitly used in ancient astrology.
  • You must look at periods as a sequence with a beginning, middle, and end.
Interpreting the Quality of a Period
  • The quality of a period is primarily determined by:
    • Planets in the activated sign
    • Planets aspecting the activated sign by square or opposition
    • The condition of the ruler of the sign.
  • I tend to emphasize planets in or aspecting the sign more than the ruler.
    • Other astrologers focus more on the ruler.
    • Valens initially seems to favor the ruler, but in the examples focuses on the sign
  • The benefics and malefics primarily dictate the subjective experience of the period.
    • If it is experienced as more subjectively positive or negative.
    • The starting Lot you release from provides the context.
  • Important to use sect to determine the most positive and negative planets.
    • Day chart: Jupiter most positive planet, Mars the most negative.
    • Night chart: Venus the most positive planet, Saturn the most negative.
    • The other benefic and malefic are more moderate in their inclinations.
  • The signs angular to the most positive planet will be experienced as the most positive
    • The signs angular to most negative planet experienced as most negative.
    • Angular here means in the same sign, square, or opposed by sign.
    • Sign-based aspects from the benefics and malefics.
  • See where most positive and negative planets fall in the angular triads.
  • Is the most positive planet angular from Fortune, or the most negative planet?
    • Peak periods can be active, but not necessarily experienced as easy or positive.
  • Are benefics activated in the build up period or the cool down phase?
    • Malefics in the build up period or the cool down phase?
The Loosing of the Bond
  • Occurs in some of the signs that are longer than 17 years.
  • On the subperiod it completes the cycle through all 12 signs.
  • Instead of starting the cycle over again, it jumps to the opposite sign.
  • Resumes cycle from opposite sign.
  • This is called the loosing of the bond or the breaking of the sequence.
  • Always happens about 17 and a half years into general period, but on level 2.
    • Loosing of the bond can also occurs on L3 and L4.
  • Always marks a major transition
    • In Spirit it is a major transition in the career and life direction
    • In Eros a transition in relationships
    • In Fortune sometimes a transition in body, health, or circumstances.
  • It is one of the more reliable parts of the technique
  • Often very dramatic or notable.
  • Usually marked by an L or LB in most programs.
  • There are a few different scenarios of what occurs.
  • Foreshadowing period
    • The loosing of the bond is the second time that sign is activated.
    • The first time it is activated 8 years earlier often offers a preview of the LB
    • Sometimes the person almost does something but doesn’t finish/follow through
    • When the LB happens they follow through the second time around.
    • Chris discovered this through working with clients.
Other Stuff
  • Lots of other stuff we can’t get into here.
  • There are many other interpretive principles.
    • Completion period
    • Culmination period
    • Activating the ruler of Spirit
    • Activating the ruler of the general period
  • Not necessary to go into all of that here.
  • Most of it is dealt with in Chris’ full 18-hour lecture.
Miscellaneous
  • We touch on philosophical issues the technique raises several times in the episode.
  • Talk about some personal experiences with the technique.
  • Realizations/thoughts from using it over time
  • A bunch of other points made throughout the episode were omitted in this outline.
  • http://theastrologypodcast.com/2019/...ing-technique/
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Re: Loosing of the Bond in Zodiacal Releasing

This philosophical piece by Curtis Manwaring written on zodiacal releasing and other timing techniques may help you to organize some of the concepts in your mind.

http://www.astrology-x-files.com/hel...timelords.html

A takeaway from this piece could be that the times have to compound and positively reinforce one another over a prolonged enough period of time before one could see the kind of gains/positive outcomes that connote a trend of stable growth and development. A particularly bad astrological period followed by a good or even great one may just mean recovery from loss and/or modestly better outcomes.


You might also be interested in perusing the articles he's written in the "X-FILE CABINET" section that weaves the usage of ZR in the lives of various prominent people. Here is one such example.

http://www.astrology-x-files.com/x-f...rliesheen.html

Here is an article that features an analysis of the loosing of the bond and it's role/correspondence with the eminence of Arnold Schwarzenegger

http://www.astrology-x-files.com/x-f...-eminence.html

You'll find a lot more character and life analysis using this technique on this website, which I'm sure you will find very useful.
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Of course, I understand
I don`t expect or even want any reading, actually;



You`re right and I have too little information to jump to conclusions now, as sometimes the effects of an influence are visible after a while

I need to practice restraint, like many of us

I just wanted to share my observation on this.
Astro.com now calculates ZR periods, so I rely on it as far as timing goes. I don`t even try to interpret it. It's really complicated in my case, because one sign activates both lights and both benefics all at once, aside from the ruler of the sign. I makes five planets altogether.
Just one would be too much for me


All I know on ZR is basically from Chris Brennan`s podcasts etc.
9And from sevenstarsastrology.com and astrology x-files.com)

Would you recommend his book on Hellenistic astrology?
There`s a preview of the contents on googlebooks.com and it looks like there`s a lot of useful information on the topic.

thank you for replying and for the links, Jupiterasc and CT


I like Schwarzenegger (more than politicians) so I`m going to pay more attention to his case
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Of course, I understand
I don`t expect or even want any reading, actually;
You`re right and I have too little information to jump to conclusions now, as sometimes the effects of an influence are visible after a while
I need to practice restraint, like many of us
I just wanted to share my observation on this.
Astro.com now calculates ZR periods, so I rely on it as far as timing goes. I don`t even try to interpret it. It's really complicated in my case, because one sign activates both lights and both benefics all at once, aside from the ruler of the sign. I makes five planets altogether.
Just one would be too much for me
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All I know on ZR is basically from Chris Brennan`s podcasts etc.
9And from sevenstarsastrology.com and astrology x-files.com)
Would you recommend his book on Hellenistic astrology?
There`s a preview of the contents on googlebooks.com and it looks like there`s a lot of useful information on the topic.
thank you for replying and for the links, Jupiterasc and CT
I like Schwarzenegger (more than politicians) so I`m going to pay more attention to his case
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