Chinese say US moon landing a hoax

I would readily back down, and i love how Jup debates, I'm not Point Scoring, but love Jup for skills in computers, honestly to be neutral, you need skills!

I'm really not sure how long i have in influence, so i have chosen Jup to show both ways, he is good at that! He is a master of computer skill, but my skill is not as good with computers, sorry i'm too old!

I'm not going to snuff it yet, but i may try to give astronomy to Jup, for future ref, i couldn't dominate him anyway, thats a laugh!!!

I'm on the cusp, not sure of myself being near and disabled, perhaps my chores are not finished yet...Being a MONKEY HA HA!

Chinese links perhaps change perpective regarding Lazers that show astronomer interests:-

Obviously link not political but astronomical by myself:-

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunar_Laser_Ranging_experiment

http://humansarefree.com/2016/01/new-leak-second-nasa-scientist-tells-us.html#more

“Ladies and gentlemen, my government, NASA, which many of us in the United States say stands for Never A Straight Answer, proceeded to erase 40 rolls of film of the Apollo Program — the flight to the Moon, the flight around the Moon, the landings on the Moon, the walking guys here and there.

“They erased, for Christ’s sake, 40 rolls of film of those events. Now we’re talking about several thousand individual frames that were taken that the so-called authorities determined that you did not have a right to see. Oh, they were ‘disruptive,’ ‘socially unacceptable,’ ‘politically unacceptable.’ I’ve become furious. I’m a retired Command Sergeant Major. I was never famous for having a lot of patience"

rahu

NASA This is why we never returned to moon!
top secret pictures about moon 2017
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMD75IssBYM

Even the first Clementine images released by the DoD show structures on the Moon. They were a little blurry but could be seen. And these were gigantic constructions. Since then all those images have been reedited and now even the natural features are washed out. They are worthless now.

http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2017/11/nasa-engineers-forgotten-admission-video-3573189.html
975
NASA Engineer’s Forgotten Admission (Video
Genius German moon rocket designer, Wernher von Braun, had this to say about the mathematical facts required to reach the moon in his forgotten published book “Voyage to the Moon” . . . The “moon rocket” the United States Government could afford weighed just 2500 tons (a difference of 32,000 percent) and was just 363 feet tall . . . and there was just one of them, rather than the THREE required. Furthermore, Braun went on to say that a Space Station MUST be constructed BEFORE a manned mission to the moon, from which to ferry the three rockets with the necessary extra fuel, needed to reach the moon and return. (The International Space Station was not completed until 2011.) Braun further INSISTED that after once landing on the moon, crews would have to find or dig a cave in which to shelter themselves from thousands of micrometeorites per hour hitting the moon’s surface traveling at speeds in excess of 20,000 miles per hour, which would inevitably puncture the spacecraft, as well as the astronaut’s spacesuit, causing catastrophic, and fatal, environmental decompression. This, of course, like the other requirements, was NEVER DONE.
When the government told the man in charge of the “moon rocket” to adjust his numbers “a little bit” to reflect a fictitious way to reach the moon with the available resources and technology of the time, he immediately, and obediently, dramatically recanted on his previously INDISPUTABLE figures which “SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES” and had been “CAREFULLY WORKED OUT“. Did I mention that this man in charge of the “moon” program’s authenticity, Wernher von Braun, was a former World War Two Nazi whom our own government’s State Department is on the record for saying that, had he not prematurely died shortly after the “moon missions”, he would have been immediately thereafter indicted for War Crimes for overseeing the genocide, and the cover-up thereof, of hundreds of innocent people during the war? This threat of blackmail was obviously used to gain his obedient submission to the government deception and his “adjustment” of irrefutable mathematical calculations.
BOTH rocket and fuel calculations could not be true AT THE SAME TIME, thusly Von Braun caved to political pressure from the United States government, or he was a highly incompetent mathematician, being in error of fuel calculations by a factor of 32,000 PERCENT. If the latter, how could such a fool get us to the moon on the VERY FIRST ATTEMPT with 1960’s technology in the first place, when the feat cannot even be repeated TODAY with FIFTY YEARS more advancements in rockets and computers?
Watch the incredible forgotten video below in which Von Braun plainly states, on camera, the very same above remarks that were widely published, and then forgotten, under the veil of a much needed pep rally during president Richard Nixon’s highly unpopular Vietnam war.

What the Chinese say is itself a hoax. Can you name who actually said it? Then there is Von Braun. He was one of the worst of the Nazis and should have been hanged at Nuremberg. He was saved by Operation Paperclip, but showed no gratitude to the Americans. He held back technology and slowed down progress in the American rocket program. As a result the Russians were far ahead in liquid fuel rockets. The wonder weapons of the Nazis were all being developed in areas that were captured by the Russians. There is no need to invoke a Nazi International; It is always the Russians, always.

The key to an efficient liquid fuel rocket is to use liquid hydrogen as the fuel. The Nazis would have used it in their V2s but did not have it ready and used ethyl alcohol instead. With liquid hydrogen the V2 would have had a far greater range and payload. The Russians captured the original Nazi plans and their rockets were powered by liquid hydrogen from the beginning. That is why they were so far ahead of us. Von Braun knew of this but insisted on using kerosene. If the Saturn 5 had used liquid hydrogen in all stages, it would have been less than half the size it was.

Why did the Russians not send men to the Moon? According to my sources the did, but were not first and kept it a secret. Most of the Soviet space program is still a secret.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7MfYzdlkJY
2150
this is a 2 hour video but is very worth while to watch in its entirety as it discusses some very interesting and metaphysical concepts brought out by the data the Chinese found about the moon. the video explains a larger astronomic picture also which shows that Neptune has a hexagonal cloud on its south pole that is identical to the hexagonal cloud that Uranus has. yet nasa has never discussed the existence of the Neptune's hexagon cloud. possibly because it was a "amateur astronomer first captured the image after making a composite picture of the 3 separate photos of the Voyager satellite's data.
and most interestingly he has first hand testimony formal individual who worked with the videos creator, at Nasa some decades ago, that told him Nasa told him to destroy data concerning(58:30) this topic that is discussed in the video.
I can't go into all the concepts raised but it is extremely eye opening.
evidence shows that the remnants of glass structures are on the moons surface
rahu

3162
http://humansarefree.com/2019/02/russian-government-calls-for.html
Russian Government Calls For International Investigation Into U.S. Moon Landings
There are articles floating around the internet suggesting that the Russian government has claimed that America never landed on the moon... Neither the Russian government nor any of its representatives have alluded to this.

They are, however, calling for an international investigation regarding “murky details” that surround the U.S. moon landings between 1969 and 1972. (source)

Why a mainstream news outlet like the Washington Post would title an article “Russian official wants to investigate whether U.S. moon landings actually happened ” is curious, to say the least. (source)





Vladimir Markin, a spokesman for Russia’s official government Investigative Committee, has argued that such an investigation could bring to light what’s been kept in the dark for a number of years with regards to these trips into outer space.

Markin and the Russian government are referring to the disappearance of film footage from the original moon landing in 1969. They are also referring to the (approximately) 400 kilograms of lunar rock that was obtained during multiple missions between 1969 and 1972.

“We are not contending that they did not fly (to the moon), and simply made a film about it. But all of these scientific – or perhaps cultural – artefacts are part of the legacy of humanity, and their disappearance without a trace is our common loss. An investigation will reveal what happened.” – Vladimir Markin (source)

From the U.S. side, NASA did admit that the original recordings of the first moon landing had been completely erased.

According to Bob Dean, United States Army Command Sargent Major, who also served at the Supreme Headquarters Allied Powers Europe (SHAPE) of NATO as an intelligence analyst, there is more footage that has been erased and hidden than we’ve not been told about:

“Ladies and gentlemen, my government, NASA, which many of us in the United States say stands for Never A Straight Answer, proceeded to erase 40 rolls of film of the Apollo Program — the flight to the Moon, the flight around the Moon, the landings on the Moon, the walking guys here and there. They erased, for Christ’s sake, 40 rolls of film of those events.

“Now we’re talking about several thousand individual frames that were taken that the so-called authorities determined that you did not have a right to see. Oh, they were ‘disruptive,’ ‘socially unacceptable,’ ‘politically unacceptable.’ I’ve become furious. I’m a retired Command Sergeant Major. I was never famous for having a lot of patience.” (source)


Excerpt from Collective-evolution.com

3320
https://beforeitsnews.com/v3/conspiracy-theories/2019/2510206.html

We Never Went to the Moon, the Biggest Conspiracy Revealed, Why Did NASA Fake the Moon Landing? *Bombshell* Compelling Evidence (End of Days

(this video is through. the case for a stage photo shoot are impossible to ignore. the evidence comes from the videos released by nasa itself. even faked aspect is documented by nasa. rahu)

https://youtu.be/WOJgXCFq_88

Michael Welcomed Scott Henderson to the program. The theory that the moon landings were hoaxed by the US government to assert their victory in the space race over Russia, is something which has grown in popularity over time. Recent polls indicate that approximately 20% of Americans believe that the U.S. has never landed on the moon.
After the Apollo missions ended in the seventies, why haven’t we ever been back? Will We ever go back? Scott presents a series of images released by NASA, however, these photographs were never intended for public consumption. It’s almost like they forgot entirely about these photographs down through time. Examining these photographs closely, you’ll begin to wonder….. if we really went to the moon after all.



Click here for the Podcast version

rahu said:

http://humansarefree.com/2016/01/new-leak-second-nasa-scientist-tells-us.html#more

“Ladies and gentlemen, my government, NASA, which many of us in the United States say stands for Never A Straight Answer, proceeded to erase 40 rolls of film of the Apollo Program — the flight to the Moon, the flight around the Moon, the landings on the Moon, the walking guys here and there.

Click to expand...

rahu said:

“They erased, for Christ’s sake, 40 rolls of film of those events. Now we’re talking about several thousand individual frames that were taken that the so-called authorities determined that you did not have a right to see. Oh, they were ‘disruptive,’ ‘socially unacceptable,’ ‘politically unacceptable.’ I’ve become furious. I’m a retired Command Sergeant Major. I was never famous for having a lot of patience" rahu

Click to expand...

@Monk

To state the obvious, if there are laser reflectors on the Moon that doesn't prove successful manned mission, it just proves there are laser reflectors on the Moon. They could have been left there by unmanned mission.

Btw, correct me if I'm wrong, the whole process of reflecting the laser beam from a reflector on the Moon surface is not that reliable either. By the time laser beam reaches the Moon surface it is dispersed and hits the area of 7km2. What's supposedly reflected from Moon reflector is dispersed again on its way to Earth. When they're talking about measuring the reflected beam, they're talking about catching 1 photon. Let me say that again, 1 PHOTON.

The way to prove manned Moon landing would be to take pictures of US landing site by one of many artificial satellites orbiting the Moon. Modern satellites are precise enough to see license plates or read handwriting from space. So, there would be no problems to take super sharp pictures of supposed US landing site. I believe 5 countries so far have satellites in Moon orbit: US, Russia, China, India, Japan. Nevertheless, so far no pictures of US landing site have been taken from Moon orbit..